TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Spook]

An analysis of the Karabakh war from the German Bundestag, for those interested Deepl offers a good translation tool.

https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/825428/5b868defc837911f17628d716e7e1e1d/WD-2-113-20-pdf-data.pdf

Weaknesses of TB2 from the analysis:
- Low payload
- foreign components like the engine, sensors and GPS module
- the non-military grade GPS module

And apparently the Turkish government is a shareholder since 2019 with a 100 m € investment.

Rotax, is the most widely available civilian engine for light aircraft. Not embargoable.

COTS GPS performing that well is not weakness. Using COTS parts for cost-effectiveness is important.

 

[TheInsider]

Still no operational Turkish Flir.

TAF really liked the updated version of CATS and decide to switch to CATS. TB2 2 is delivered with CATS to police, gendarmes, and Azerbaijan. And TAF will use CATS from now on.

 

[Bogeyman]

Germans are jealous because so many nations have already surpassed them so they cant stand to see it.

Only thing Germany is today is a castrated nation since 1945.

Their Prussian ancestors would be ashamed of them. From inventing military tech and innovations to a castrated nation.

Airbus Introduces Invisible UAV LOUT for the First Time 08 November, 2019

Airbus unveiled its Low Radar View UAV (LOUT) test vehicle for the first time to members of the press during the company's annual Commercial Media Briefing in Manching, Germany, on November 5. During the annual press tour, which Defense Turkey magazine was invited to, Airbus introduced the LOUT model in an anechoic room at the facilities of Airbus Defense and Space company. The Low Radar View UAV (LOUT) test vehicle, a twin-engine, diamond-shaped, subsonic, armed unmanned aerial vehicle, was developed by Airbus to test and verify very low-observable (VLO) technologies. Weighing four tons, the LOUT test vehicle has a wingspan of about 12m and a similar length. The development process of LOUT, whose first concept studies were initiated in 2007 with Airbus's own resources, continued in a structure similar to "Skunk Works", where the US carried out secret projects. As a result of the agreement made by the company with the German Ministry of Defense in 2010, work on LOUT was started as a very low observable ground test vehicle. In the studies initiated for the development of broadband invisibility technologies, tests and improvements were carried out for potential material types and configurations that can be used in very low observable (VLO) platforms. Evaluating multiple different configurations during the development process, Airbus first started its design activities with 2D planform evaluations, then moved on to the 3D design process and finally 3D scale models were constructed. Work began on the three most successful configurations in 2014, and after tests in the wind tunnel with scale models, Airbus decided to continue development on the diamond-shaped model in 2015.

The LOUT program aims to take a holistic approach to low observability, covering all aspects from simulation and development to production and measurement. The LOUT test vehicle is designed to provide low observability against visual, acoustic, radar (VHF to Ka-Band) and infrared systems and ground-based threats, including electronic warfare and electromagnetic emission control. In the middle of the fuselage of the aircraft, there is an internal weapon slot, which is designed to be hidden in all aspects, to be located between the engines. There are two Diverterless air inlets with low radar cross section (RCS) in the upper part of the fuselage; In addition, the vehicle's exhaust nozzle, which also has the vector control (Thrust vectoring-TV) feature, is designed flat to hide the aircraft against ground-based sensors. LOUT also has a cockpit to test the properties of various transparency technologies, designed not to affect the aircraft's low observability. The canopy is inherently placed to represent the installation of electro-optical sensors and is not intended for manned use of aircraft. To further contribute to the low observability, the gaps between the surfaces on the aircraft have been minimized and special techniques have been used to reduce the ripples on the pavement surface.

The LOUT model, which does not have any conventional flight control surface on it, shows striking similarities with the two-engine Airbus SAGITTA UAV, which made its maiden flight on July 5, 2017. Airbus started its work on SAGITTA in 2010 to demonstrate advanced technologies to be used in unmanned aerial vehicles. The project started as a feasibility study for the hover-wing configuration and was developed jointly by the technical universities of Munich and Chemnitz, the German Federal Armed Forces University (Universität der Bundeswehr), the Ingolstadt University of Applied Sciences and the German Aerospace Center (DLR). The 3m wingspan SAGITTA test vehicle was built in 1:4 scale according to Airbus' description, which corresponds to the 12m wingspan LOUT.

The LOUT program, on the other hand, aims to provide a test platform for developing and understanding low-observable technologies rather than revealing a test vehicle that can fly. The program focuses on testing radar and infrared visibility reduction, radar absorbing materials and low visibility structure, as well as analyzing the acoustic properties of designs such as LOUT. Airbus announced the completion of the first phase of the work and testing process on LOUT under the contract. Accordingly, it is stated that the technological gains from the LOUT program can be used during the Eurofighter Typhoon Long-Term Evolution (LTE) activities and in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS/SCAF) project jointly developed by France, Germany and Spain.

Airbus Görünmez İHA LOUT`u İlk kez Tanıttı

On yıldan uzun süredir gizli bir proje olarak yürütülen ve düşük görünürlülük, elektromanyetik emisyon kontrolü ve elektronik harp gibi alanlarda bütünsel bir platform yaklaşımı sergileyen Düşük Radar Görünümlü İHA (Low-Observable UAV Testbed, LOUT) test aracı Airbus tarafından ilk kez basın...

www.defenceturkey.com

I wouldn't take the Germans so lightly if I were you.

 

[Ryder]

Airbus Introduces Invisible UAV LOUT for the First Time 08 November, 2019

Airbus unveiled its Low Radar View UAV (LOUT) test vehicle for the first time to members of the press during the company's annual Commercial Media Briefing in Manching, Germany, on November 5. During the annual press tour, which Defense Turkey magazine was invited to, Airbus introduced the LOUT model in an anechoic room at the facilities of Airbus Defense and Space company. The Low Radar View UAV (LOUT) test vehicle, a twin-engine, diamond-shaped, subsonic, armed unmanned aerial vehicle, was developed by Airbus to test and verify very low-observable (VLO) technologies. Weighing four tons, the LOUT test vehicle has a wingspan of about 12m and a similar length. The development process of LOUT, whose first concept studies were initiated in 2007 with Airbus's own resources, continued in a structure similar to "Skunk Works", where the US carried out secret projects. As a result of the agreement made by the company with the German Ministry of Defense in 2010, work on LOUT was started as a very low observable ground test vehicle. In the studies initiated for the development of broadband invisibility technologies, tests and improvements were carried out for potential material types and configurations that can be used in very low observable (VLO) platforms. Evaluating multiple different configurations during the development process, Airbus first started its design activities with 2D planform evaluations, then moved on to the 3D design process and finally 3D scale models were constructed. Work began on the three most successful configurations in 2014, and after tests in the wind tunnel with scale models, Airbus decided to continue development on the diamond-shaped model in 2015.

The LOUT program aims to take a holistic approach to low observability, covering all aspects from simulation and development to production and measurement. The LOUT test vehicle is designed to provide low observability against visual, acoustic, radar (VHF to Ka-Band) and infrared systems and ground-based threats, including electronic warfare and electromagnetic emission control. In the middle of the fuselage of the aircraft, there is an internal weapon slot, which is designed to be hidden in all aspects, to be located between the engines. There are two Diverterless air inlets with low radar cross section (RCS) in the upper part of the fuselage; In addition, the vehicle's exhaust nozzle, which also has the vector control (Thrust vectoring-TV) feature, is designed flat to hide the aircraft against ground-based sensors. LOUT also has a cockpit to test the properties of various transparency technologies, designed not to affect the aircraft's low observability. The canopy is inherently placed to represent the installation of electro-optical sensors and is not intended for manned use of aircraft. To further contribute to the low observability, the gaps between the surfaces on the aircraft have been minimized and special techniques have been used to reduce the ripples on the pavement surface.

The LOUT model, which does not have any conventional flight control surface on it, shows striking similarities with the two-engine Airbus SAGITTA UAV, which made its maiden flight on July 5, 2017. Airbus started its work on SAGITTA in 2010 to demonstrate advanced technologies to be used in unmanned aerial vehicles. The project started as a feasibility study for the hover-wing configuration and was developed jointly by the technical universities of Munich and Chemnitz, the German Federal Armed Forces University (Universität der Bundeswehr), the Ingolstadt University of Applied Sciences and the German Aerospace Center (DLR). The 3m wingspan SAGITTA test vehicle was built in 1:4 scale according to Airbus' description, which corresponds to the 12m wingspan LOUT.

The LOUT program, on the other hand, aims to provide a test platform for developing and understanding low-observable technologies rather than revealing a test vehicle that can fly. The program focuses on testing radar and infrared visibility reduction, radar absorbing materials and low visibility structure, as well as analyzing the acoustic properties of designs such as LOUT. Airbus announced the completion of the first phase of the work and testing process on LOUT under the contract. Accordingly, it is stated that the technological gains from the LOUT program can be used during the Eurofighter Typhoon Long-Term Evolution (LTE) activities and in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS/SCAF) project jointly developed by France, Germany and Spain.

Airbus Görünmez İHA LOUT`u İlk kez Tanıttı

On yıldan uzun süredir gizli bir proje olarak yürütülen ve düşük görünürlülük, elektromanyetik emisyon kontrolü ve elektronik harp gibi alanlarda bütünsel bir platform yaklaşımı sergileyen Düşük Radar Görünümlü İHA (Low-Observable UAV Testbed, LOUT) test aracı Airbus tarafından ilk kez basın...

www.defenceturkey.com

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I wouldn't take the Germans so lightly if I were you.

Maybe I wont but I still see a castrated nation in my eyes.

 

[Bogeyman]

Maybe I wont but I still see a castrated nation in my eyes.

You are right about that. They don't understand iota of strategic politics.

 

[kenny]

If someone uses the word "government" instead of "state", it would be a political analysis. I talked to countless people and they were mostly Asian people. Japanese to Korean. Everyone wants it for themselves as they see the things we seriously do. It's not called "jealousy". Especially on Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. Some media can distort this and make very silly fake news or analysis. Perhaps the reason for this is because they see Turkey as inferior. There is a proverb in Japan. "青は藍より出でて藍より青し" (Çivitten çıkan mavi çivitten daha mavidir.) It has a meaning that "those who start a job later can surpass those who started before them".

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1457319803807485964

30 AI-450 engines for Akinci, another 15 Akinci to come.

 

[Huelague]

Airbus Introduces Invisible UAV LOUT for the First Time 08 November, 2019

Airbus unveiled its Low Radar View UAV (LOUT) test vehicle for the first time to members of the press during the company's annual Commercial Media Briefing in Manching, Germany, on November 5. During the annual press tour, which Defense Turkey magazine was invited to, Airbus introduced the LOUT model in an anechoic room at the facilities of Airbus Defense and Space company. The Low Radar View UAV (LOUT) test vehicle, a twin-engine, diamond-shaped, subsonic, armed unmanned aerial vehicle, was developed by Airbus to test and verify very low-observable (VLO) technologies. Weighing four tons, the LOUT test vehicle has a wingspan of about 12m and a similar length. The development process of LOUT, whose first concept studies were initiated in 2007 with Airbus's own resources, continued in a structure similar to "Skunk Works", where the US carried out secret projects. As a result of the agreement made by the company with the German Ministry of Defense in 2010, work on LOUT was started as a very low observable ground test vehicle. In the studies initiated for the development of broadband invisibility technologies, tests and improvements were carried out for potential material types and configurations that can be used in very low observable (VLO) platforms. Evaluating multiple different configurations during the development process, Airbus first started its design activities with 2D planform evaluations, then moved on to the 3D design process and finally 3D scale models were constructed. Work began on the three most successful configurations in 2014, and after tests in the wind tunnel with scale models, Airbus decided to continue development on the diamond-shaped model in 2015.

The LOUT program aims to take a holistic approach to low observability, covering all aspects from simulation and development to production and measurement. The LOUT test vehicle is designed to provide low observability against visual, acoustic, radar (VHF to Ka-Band) and infrared systems and ground-based threats, including electronic warfare and electromagnetic emission control. In the middle of the fuselage of the aircraft, there is an internal weapon slot, which is designed to be hidden in all aspects, to be located between the engines. There are two Diverterless air inlets with low radar cross section (RCS) in the upper part of the fuselage; In addition, the vehicle's exhaust nozzle, which also has the vector control (Thrust vectoring-TV) feature, is designed flat to hide the aircraft against ground-based sensors. LOUT also has a cockpit to test the properties of various transparency technologies, designed not to affect the aircraft's low observability. The canopy is inherently placed to represent the installation of electro-optical sensors and is not intended for manned use of aircraft. To further contribute to the low observability, the gaps between the surfaces on the aircraft have been minimized and special techniques have been used to reduce the ripples on the pavement surface.

The LOUT model, which does not have any conventional flight control surface on it, shows striking similarities with the two-engine Airbus SAGITTA UAV, which made its maiden flight on July 5, 2017. Airbus started its work on SAGITTA in 2010 to demonstrate advanced technologies to be used in unmanned aerial vehicles. The project started as a feasibility study for the hover-wing configuration and was developed jointly by the technical universities of Munich and Chemnitz, the German Federal Armed Forces University (Universität der Bundeswehr), the Ingolstadt University of Applied Sciences and the German Aerospace Center (DLR). The 3m wingspan SAGITTA test vehicle was built in 1:4 scale according to Airbus' description, which corresponds to the 12m wingspan LOUT.

The LOUT program, on the other hand, aims to provide a test platform for developing and understanding low-observable technologies rather than revealing a test vehicle that can fly. The program focuses on testing radar and infrared visibility reduction, radar absorbing materials and low visibility structure, as well as analyzing the acoustic properties of designs such as LOUT. Airbus announced the completion of the first phase of the work and testing process on LOUT under the contract. Accordingly, it is stated that the technological gains from the LOUT program can be used during the Eurofighter Typhoon Long-Term Evolution (LTE) activities and in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS/SCAF) project jointly developed by France, Germany and Spain.

Airbus Görünmez İHA LOUT`u İlk kez Tanıttı

On yıldan uzun süredir gizli bir proje olarak yürütülen ve düşük görünürlülük, elektromanyetik emisyon kontrolü ve elektronik harp gibi alanlarda bütünsel bir platform yaklaşımı sergileyen Düşük Radar Görünümlü İHA (Low-Observable UAV Testbed, LOUT) test aracı Airbus tarafından ilk kez basın...

www.defenceturkey.com

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I wouldn't take the Germans so lightly if I were you.

When there is a success everyone wants to claim a part of it. Remember the UK company that provided bomb racks for the prototypes of TB2. I can say with %100 certainty that German paper is bullshit.

@Bogeyman , Airbus is not Germany.
@TheInsider , are you sure?

 

[TheInsider]

I'm %100 sure. German paper is bullshit.

 

[Bogeyman]

@Bogeyman , Airbus is not Germany.
@TheInsider , are you sure?

"As a result of the agreement made by the company with the German Ministry of Defense in 2010, work on LOUT was started as a very low observable ground test vehicle.

The LOUT model, which does not have any conventional flight control surface on it, shows striking similarities with the two-engine Airbus SAGITTA UAV, which made its maiden flight on July 5, 2017. Airbus started its work on SAGITTA in 2010 to demonstrate advanced technologies to be used in unmanned aerial vehicles. The project started as a feasibility study for the hover-wing configuration and was developed jointly by the technical universities of Munich and Chemnitz, the German Federal Armed Forces University (Universität der Bundeswehr), the Ingolstadt University of Applied Sciences and the German Aerospace Center (DLR). The 3m wingspan SAGITTA test vehicle was built in 1:4 scale according to Airbus' description, which corresponds to the 12m wingspan LOUT."

I made 1 quote from the news. If you had read the news carefully, you would have seen these collaborations.

 

[OPTIMUS]

TDW Warhead Systems – An MBDA Company – Technology with Impact

tdw-warhead-systems.com

 

[Ardabas34]

What the hell? Germans made the warhead for Umtas?

Edit: Wow!

2020 // TDW STATEMENT ON EXPORTS TO TURKEY

Social media are currently discussing whether TDW, a 100% subsidiary of MBDA Germany, supplies components for weapon systems to Turkey. In this regard and concerning our business relations with the NATO country Turkey, we can state that TDW Gesellschaft für verteidigungstechnische Wirksysteme...

tdw-warhead-systems.com

I think they made this statement over some Armenian lobbying.
Note: ''I think'' is a figure of speech. I am %100 sure.

 

[Huelague]

What the hell? Germans made the warhead for Umtas?

Edit: Wow!

2020 // TDW STATEMENT ON EXPORTS TO TURKEY

Social media are currently discussing whether TDW, a 100% subsidiary of MBDA Germany, supplies components for weapon systems to Turkey. In this regard and concerning our business relations with the NATO country Turkey, we can state that TDW Gesellschaft für verteidigungstechnische Wirksysteme...

tdw-warhead-systems.com

ToT to Roketsan.

 

[what]

I think there is a lot of cooperation, more than anticipated, being done behind closed doors. I didnt even know about the connection between MAMs and the German products.

Dont take the Bundestag report to serious, its created by political organs and working groups of the parliament. Not experts necessarily.

 

[Huelague]

I think there is a lot of cooperation, more than anticipated, being done behind closed doors. I didnt even know about the connection between MAMs and the German products.

Dont take the Bundestag report to serious, its created by political organs and working groups of the parliament. Not experts necessarily.

I wrote this long time ago.

 

[Nutuk]

The only connection is the warhead, when Roketsan developed the Umtas missile (MAM-L is a derivative) there were warheads purchased from a German company for the prototypes. In serial production also warheads became Turkish made.

So the whole talk is about some 10 pieces or so warheads purchased for prototype testings.

 

[TheInsider]

Shaped charge warheads are not rocket science. A shaped charge warhead isn't a critical piece of equipment. When TR started developing an antitank family until local production it bought some amount of warheads directly from TDW. TDW is a huge warhead producer and has a price advantage because of the economic scaling. TR might have bought it from Russia or China or another willing party that produces shaped charge warheads. After that, a local production facility is opened when we have enough production to make a warhead factory economically feasible.

 

[Bogeyman]

I don't think so. Early on, there were reports that the AN-2s were modified for remote control but later reports said that they were manned, it's just that the pilots were jumping out just before the planes reached Armenian lines.

I could be wrong and they were altered bur those planes are pretty old and you'd have to do extensive modifications to achieve remote operation. Or as Kartal said, only some were changed to be unmanned.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1457731890337570819

I found the video of Azerbaijani pilots parachuting from An-2s.

 

[Ardabas34]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1457731890337570819

I found the video of Azerbaijani pilots parachuting from An-2s.

Aha!
I was really confused about how one would convert a Soviet era crop duster to a drone or how economically feasible that would be. Now this makes a lot more sense.

 

[OPTIMUS]

Shaped charge warheads are not rocket science. A shaped charge warhead isn't a critical piece of equipment. When TR started developing an antitank family until local production it bought some amount of warheads directly from TDW. TDW is a huge warhead producer and has a price advantage because of the economic scaling. TR might have bought it from Russia or China or another willing party that produces shaped charge warheads. After that, a local production facility is opened when we have enough production to make a warhead factory economically feasible.

It is an open secret that Roketsan developed MAM-L with thermobaric warhead with the help of Numerics Software GmbH.

Numerics Software GmbH specializes in calculating the optimal explosive effect of armor-piercing weapons.

The federal government has only denied that the Numerics had helped the Roketsan with warheads with armor-piercing function. But she left the question unanswered with thormabaric warheads.

Numerics | Software & Engineering Services

www.numerics-gmbh.de