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[comolokko]

An article written some 6 years ago about the Koral development is making some interesting claims.
According to this article, Turkey, in around 2012-13 bought a S300 system from Belarus (sans missiles) and investigated the innards of the system and came up with the Koral to counteract the S300.
It is also stated that the article has since been upvoted by an Aselsan ex-employee. (His credentials check out)

Would the Aselsan Koral help nullify the threat from the Russian S-400?

Answer (1 of 5): S-400, Pantsir and EW/ECM equipment on Su-30/Su-34 was made to be able to resist the best of USA's electronic warfare platforms, color me sceptical when I doubt Turkey's know-how when it comes to making anything capable of compromising it. If by some miracle the Turks have made s...

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If this is correct and Redet and Koral-2 is also being produced with what we have learnt from s400 to counteract Russian systems , it is very intriguing.

Turkey's main purpose in importing military products is not to use them in the field, but to nationalize them by reverse engineering. wants to improve its production ability in some products. eg f16. in some products, it produces reverse technology. eg s400. reverse engineering brings with it opposite technologies. since Turkey is a high tech drone manufacturer, it also knows how to passivate such drone. Turkey also knows how to protect drones from attacks.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Turkey's main purpose in importing military products is not to use them in the field, but to nationalize them by reverse engineering. wants to improve its production ability in some products. eg f16. in some products, it produces reverse technology. eg s400. reverse engineering brings with it opposite technologies. since Turkey is a high tech drone manufacturer, it also knows how to passivate such drone. Turkey also knows how to protect drones from attacks.

Completelly wrong.

 

[comolokko]

Completelly wrong.

it is natural for people unfamiliar to the industry to claim otherwise.

 

[Siper>MMU]

There is a guarantee system in every military product. Just like some household items, you try to repair/disassemble it and you void guarantee. Even Baykar does this in TB2s. You can see guarantee stickers on various TB2 parts. I don't think russians would do the otherwise.

 

[Heartbang]

There is a guarantee system in every military product. Just like some household items, you try to repair/disassemble it and you void guarantee. Even Baykar does this in TB2s. You can see guarantee stickers on various TB2 parts. I don't think russians would do the otherwise.

thats for when you want to actually USE the product later on. i dont see the Turks wanting to use s300 radars in any meaningful way.

 

[Siper>MMU]

thats for when you want to actually USE the product later on. i dont see the Turks wanting to use s300 radars in any meaningful way.

There is many things that restrict interventions on products. Probably Russians would get really mad

 

[Heartbang]

There is many things that restrict interventions on products. Probably Russians would get really mad

assuming they'd know, which is a stretch

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1521543281720676353

 

[Huelague]

thats for when you want to actually USE the product later on. i dont see the Turks wanting to use s300 radars in any meaningful way.

They bought it to counter Greeks S-300.

 

[kimov]

thats for when you want to actually USE the product later on. i dont see the Turks wanting to use s300 radars in any meaningful way.

Turkey bought the S300 radar (from Ukraine if I not mistaken) in order to be able to train and learn about the S300 as several of our potential opponents have them. This purchase were never intended to be used in actual combat mission.

 

[Huelague]

Turkey bought the S300 radar (from Ukraine if I not mistaken) in order to be able to train and learn about the S300 as several of our potential opponents have them. This purchase were never intended to be used in actual combat mission.

Belarus.

 

[B.t.N]

It looks like ukrainian and canadian engine. While the Akinci is in the air, one of them is most likely turn off and testing the performance of the other..

Btw Kizil Elma looks huge

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KE somehow evolved into TurAF’s “plan B” in the absence of a gap-filler till TFX is airborn. Baykar without a doubt has the knowledge base, a skilled workforce and required testing facilities. And this project is becoming all the more important.

On the other hand, projections on KE’s manufacturing schedule seem a little too enthusiastic considering company’s lack of expertise in supersonic avionics. We would have heard long ago if Baykar was getting assistance from a top league manufacturer, so what is there we do not know of, since it looks a huge undertaking, even for Baykar?

EDIT: Not a critical, nor an anti-Baykar statement, just to learn if we are missing a point two between the lines!

 

[Fuzuli NL]

KE somehow evolved into TurAF’s “plan B” in the absence of a gap-filler till TFX is airborn. Baykar without a doubt has the knowledge base, a skilled workforce and required testing facilities. And this project is becoming all the more important.

On the other hand, projections on KE’s manufacturing schedule seem a little too enthusiastic considering company’s lack of expertise in supersonic avionics. We would have heard long ago if Baykar was getting assistance from a top league manufacturer, so what is there we do not know of, since it looks a huge undertaking, even for Baykar?

EDIT: Not a critical, nor an anti-Baykar statement, just to learn if we are missing a point two between the lines!

AFAIK, KE will be subsonic at first. Not sure though.

 

[B.t.N]

AFAIK, KE will be subsonic at first. Not sure though.

I was about to call @Anmdt to the rescue

And thanks bro, truce?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I was about to call @Anmdt to the rescue

And thanks bro, truce?

Nothing but, bro.

 

[Anmdt]

AFAIK, KE will be subsonic at first. Not sure though.

Yes, actually the first prototype will fly at much lower speed than the first subsonic variant, it will slowly evolve to the maximum subsonic speed.

Roll out is expected for 29 October, first flight before end of the 2022. (Not sure if this was announced before, but anyway)

 

[Hexciter]

Research Article

Turkey's rise as a drone power: trial by fire​

Ash Rossiter & Brendon J. Cannon
Published online: 04 May 2022
ABSTRACT:
Turkey's production and operational use of its own armed drones has grabbed much media attention and caused consternation in some regional capitals. Not only has Turkey emerged as one of the world's most prolific users of largely indigenously built armed drones but it has also become a major exporter of these systems. Analyses put Turkey's position as a major drone power down to long-term strategic calculation. Whilst Ankara's emergence as a serious drone player is certainly no accident – it is the output of a concerted state effort – this article emphasises how Turkish political-military leaders have absorbed military and political lessons from early forays into armed drone usage and adjusted foreign policy and military tactics accordingly. Such a non-linear evolution of its drone strategy suggests future change in how Turkey seeks to derive benefits from this niche capability.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14751798.2022.2068562?forwardService=showFullText&tokenAccess=CPUJFGPTCBWTIHRINVF3&tokenDomain=eprints&doi=10.1080%2F14751798.2022.2068562&doi=10.1080%2F14751798.2022.2068562&doi=10.1080%2F14751798.2022.2068562&target=10.1080%2F14751798.2022.2068562&journalCode=cdan20

 

[kenny]

w/Hayrani Öz(TW)

 

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w/Hayrani Öz(TW)
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so, that means if we put Akinci's engines into Aksungur, it would perform better?

 

[Oublious]