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Imagine this thing with 2x TF10000.
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We need a five times larger version of this militarized Jackal.
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Kızılelma did quick take off and quick landing tests as well as fast flight tests in its 6th and 7th test flights.
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(Note the landmarks from the 15th second onwards)
It is only the 6th or 7th test flight, but I think the KIZILELELMA take-off distance is below 500-550 meters. In a few months we may see 300-350 meter take offs.
Bayraktar #KIZILELMA successfully completed its 8th flight test. Flew at 630 km/h maneuvering at low altitude over the runway.
So, Mach 0.5 already then.
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630km/hr is a descent speed for any jet at such low level. OK the plane is empty. But it also has an engine which only gives a thrust of 3800lbf.
When the AI-322F with 5500lbf thrust engine starts to power this bird, it will show it’s real mettle.
When TF6000 is ready it will show it’s low observable credentials even better.
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KE has the goal of close air-to-air engagement capability. So basically cornering speed and fast potential energy gathering are main focuses rather than top speed.
KE is a very light jet, (so there may not be a big difference between the full turn speed and the final speed, and it can gather potential energy very fast) and aims to perform air combat manoeuvring with AI with zero margin of error. In other words, if KE can maneuver (I mean ACM, dogfight) in the range of 350-500 KIAS even with its first engine configuration, it can pose a very serious threat to jets such as F-16, Rafale for sea level.
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Not so much. While it was written that the aircraft weighed 6 tons in the first brochures, Mr. Bayraktar said in his latest statement, "Our aircraft weighs 8.5 tons." So even though the KE is light jet, it's not very light jet anymore.
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Also note: I don't think the first engine will go into mass production. But if there is such a plan, the mass production cost could be under 25 million on average. This means that 4 KEs with different variants can be placed against each F-16 and 6 KEs against each Rafale.
The introduction of KE could create an extraordinarily large asymmetry. Imagine adding around 300 KE1/2 and ANKA3/4 to the Turkish air force fleet structure of 300 manned jets. The acquisition and operating cost of 300 unmanned jets will in practice make a difference of perhaps 3-4 squadrons, but the tactical and doctrinal impact will be enormous.
The introduction of KE could create an extraordinarily large asymmetry. Imagine adding around 300 KE1/2 and ANKA3/4 to the Turkish air force fleet structure of 300 manned jets. The acquisition and operating cost of 300 unmanned jets will in practice make a difference of perhaps 3-4 squadrons, but the tactical and doctrinal impact will be enormous.
Merzifonlu üstadım, I tried to express that it is very light compared to manned combat jets, not as a specific class distinction. Even the F-5e, which is withdrawn from combat fleets, has a maximum take-off weight of 11-12 tons.
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Empty weight 8.5 or max weight ?
8.5 empty is too much for kizilelma and its tiny small engine .
Jf17 thunder 9 ton aircraft has 11 000 lbf engine , 19 000 afterburner .
So how 3 500 lbf engine gona fly smooth and secure 8.5 ton aircraft ?
Perhaps its just for testing and prototypes
Aslo other Ukraine 5 500 lbf engine is weak
More than 10 000lbf is good for 8-9 ton aircraft
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IMO 8.5 tones is max. weight.
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There is a terminology as useful load. This include fuel and payload as well.
But if you are quoting useful payload, then that does not include fuel.
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Still no extensive information about the new Şimşek attack drone(shown under Anka-3 wings) has been released to the press. I can't understand why this system, which can create incredible asymmetry, is so out of the limelight in our defense circles. I think it is as valuable a development program as its big brothers. It may not only be air-dropped, but for example, it may be placed in 40' open top containers in 4/6s stack with rocket-assisted take-off, in future. Imagine the chaos that would be created by 100 launches of Şimşek drones in days, with warhead or ew payloads, from 20/25 truck containers along the South Aegean. High speed missile boats, patrol boats, armed helicopters, air defense radars and coastal radars could play critical roles in blinding, jamming or suppressing.
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Kızılelma-C might have a MTOW similar to an F-5 (~11000 kg)
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Absolutely. Considering the second engine block, the expanded airframe and fuel capacity, and the increase in payload capacity thx to much higher thrust, it should be an fighter in the 25000lb range.
