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[Aloster]

We can do a lot better than those FPV drones. They have low payload weight, short range, and they lose radio contact when they approach their target. Instead of that, we should be making drones which are either quadcopter or fixed wing which can release mortars/grenades with automatic ballistic targeting. This way the per-sortie cost is even lower than those crappy FPV drones, optics are much better, they don't lose radio contact due to having to drop down to ground level, they can do their own post-engagement damage reporting, etc.

We already have them since 2020-2021 . But I dont know they are in inventory or not. May be they are the first systems. Because their test start before war.

TOGAN üç farklı hava aracına daha entegre edildi

Savunma sanayiindeki yerli ürünleri farklı milli platformlara başarıyla uyarlayan Türkiye, benzer bir işe TOGAN mühimmatında da imza attı. DASAL insansız hava sistemlerinin 3 farklı aracına entegre edilen TOGAN kritik kabiliyetlere imkan sağlayacak.

www.trthaber.com

 

[MADDOG]

ANKA-3 will be conducting her maiden flight in around 2 weeks. Murat Özpala & his Hürkuş (most likely the developmental prototype he has been piloting) will accompany it during the flight.

 

[MADDOG]

-Baykar has completed the contract process with the State of Kuwait regarding the export of TB-2 drones.

-The UAV broke the record for the longest flight time by staying in the air for 27 hours and 3 minutes in desert conditions in 2019.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668657286598864909

 

[Huelague]

-Baykar has completed the contract process with the State of Kuwait regarding the export of TB-2 drones.

-The UAV broke the record for the longest flight time by staying in the air for 27 hours and 3 minutes in desert conditions in 2019.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668657286598864909

How many Kuwait going to buy?

 

[Afif]

How many Kuwait going to buy?

18 Tb-2.

 

[Era_shield]

We already have them since 2020-2021 . But I dont know they are in inventory or not. May be they are the first systems. Because their test start before war.

TOGAN üç farklı hava aracına daha entegre edildi

Savunma sanayiindeki yerli ürünleri farklı milli platformlara başarıyla uyarlayan Türkiye, benzer bir işe TOGAN mühimmatında da imza attı. DASAL insansız hava sistemlerinin 3 farklı aracına entegre edilen TOGAN kritik kabiliyetlere imkan sağlayacak.

www.trthaber.com

I don't think these have any kind of ballistic targeting system yet. At the moment it's just a big drone that can drop mortars.

 

[Aloster]

I don't think these have any kind of ballistic targeting system yet. At the moment it's just a big drone that can drop mortars.

At this system a 100 hz visual ballistic orbit calculation and targeting system exists, If it counts. 2019 it firstly introduced for Hurkuş. 2020 it fired from Songar. Actually it is very different and better than big drones that can drop mortars. It seems very cheap and efficient acc to other alternatives. May be it is not Mam-T but around it with thermobaric type. Also very similar to Mam-L with its lethal area. From Ukraine-Russian war we see how ammunition easily finished. At this scale conflict/war we have to distinguish target values. Because we can only use Mam-c ,l,t , cirit,sungur and others high tech type ammunitions for high value targets. But for ordinary infantry, buildings, or like that not high valued target we have to use togan and similar type ammunitions.

SONGAR’dan termobarik harp başlıklı TOGAN atışı

TÜBİTAK-SAGE, SONGAR Silahlı Dron Sistemi’den TOGAN mühimmatının atışının gerçekleştirildiğini açıkladı. TOGAN mühimmatının, harp başlıklı olduğu öğrenildi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

TOGAN Düşük Profil Güdümlü Havan Mühimmatı | SavunmaSanayiST

TÜBİTAK Savunma Sanayii Araştırma ve Geliştirme Enstitüsü (SAGE) tarafından geliştirilen TOGAN Havadan Bırakılan Havan Mühimmatı; çoklu taşıma ve bırakma

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Era_shield]

At this system a 100 hz visual ballistic orbit calculation and targeting system exists, If it counts. 2019 it firstly introduced for Hurkuş. 2020 it fired from Songar. Actually it is very different and better than big drones that can drop mortars. It seems very cheap and efficient acc to other alternatives. May be it is not Mam-T but around it with thermobaric type. Also very similar to Mam-L with its lethal area. From Ukraine-Russian war we see how ammunition easily finished. At this scale conflict/war we have to distinguish target values. Because we can only use Mam-c ,l,t , cirit,sungur and others high tech type ammunitions for high value targets. But for ordinary infantry, buildings, or like that not high valued target we have to use togan and similar type ammunitions.

SONGAR’dan termobarik harp başlıklı TOGAN atışı

TÜBİTAK-SAGE, SONGAR Silahlı Dron Sistemi’den TOGAN mühimmatının atışının gerçekleştirildiğini açıkladı. TOGAN mühimmatının, harp başlıklı olduğu öğrenildi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

TOGAN Düşük Profil Güdümlü Havan Mühimmatı | SavunmaSanayiST

TÜBİTAK Savunma Sanayii Araştırma ve Geliştirme Enstitüsü (SAGE) tarafından geliştirilen TOGAN Havadan Bırakılan Havan Mühimmatı; çoklu taşıma ve bırakma

www.savunmasanayist.com

They don't advertise it but I see an air speed sensor on it. That should be enough to do basic targeting on a stationary target from directly above (and not very high above), but it really needs a rangefinder to be as effective as an FPV drone.

 

[Aloster]

They don't advertise it but I see an air speed sensor on it. That should be enough to do basic targeting on a stationary target from directly above (and not very high above), but it really needs a rangefinder to be as effective as an FPV drone.

I m not sure they needs or not range finder. If I understand truly, 2 thing very interesting about Togan system . First it is not standard ammunition , it is a module connected to 81 mm mortar ammunition so modified 81 mm ammunition we have. Not basic mortar ammunition like Ukraine used. (acc. to open sources) with aid of this module it has ability of two dimensional guidance a kind of very very basic HGK (my thought). Second interesting thing it has real time updated DTED ( Digital Terrain Elevation Data) on carrier platform so they know platform speed, terrain data of target. I think with the aid of this combination togan ammunition can engage target when platform/plane/UCAV at relatively high speed (I really curious about it can make some mid course correction or not) so it differs from basic drones. It also (it is just my speculation) can be / may be engage high speed targets like car, or sea platform which not make evasive maneuvering if they know the target speed in a route. Probably it will not be too successful but worth to try in case of emergency.

TOGAN Havadan Bırakılan Güdümsüz/Düşük Profil Güdümlü Mühimmat

TOGAN Havadan Bırakılan Güdümsüz/Düşük Profil Güdümlü Mühimmat

www.millisavunma.com

GUIDANCE
2D guidance capability mounted on 81 mm ball mortar
Compatible with 81mm mortars in inventory

 

[boredaf]

SONGAR with six METE and a laser designator?

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This would be like a squad carrying their own close air support around. "Oh what's that there are enemies over 1 km away? Alright then, time for close air support drone."

 

[Afif]

This would be like a squad carrying their own close air support around. "Oh what's that there are enemies over 1 km away? Alright then, time for close air support drone."

If you wanna deploy it at squad level, you will need 112-115 at brigade level and 350 per division.
That would be lot.

 

[uçuyorum]

If you wanna deploy it at squad level, you will need 112-115 at brigade level and 350 per division.
That would be lot.

That doesn't sound like a lot

 

[Era_shield]

I m not sure they needs or not range finder. If I understand truly, 2 thing very interesting about Togan system . First it is not standard ammunition , it is a module connected to 81 mm mortar ammunition so modified 81 mm ammunition we have. Not basic mortar ammunition like Ukraine used. (acc. to open sources) with aid of this module it has ability of two dimensional guidance a kind of very very basic HGK (my thought). Second interesting thing it has real time updated DTED ( Digital Terrain Elevation Data) on carrier platform so they know platform speed, terrain data of target. I think with the aid of this combination togan ammunition can engage target when platform/plane/UCAV at relatively high speed (I really curious about it can make some mid course correction or not) so it differs from basic drones. It also (it is just my speculation) can be / may be engage high speed targets like car, or sea platform which not make evasive maneuvering if they know the target speed in a route. Probably it will not be too successful but worth to try in case of emergency.

TOGAN Havadan Bırakılan Güdümsüz/Düşük Profil Güdümlü Mühimmat

TOGAN Havadan Bırakılan Güdümsüz/Düşük Profil Güdümlü Mühimmat

www.millisavunma.com

GUIDANCE
2D guidance capability mounted on 81 mm ball mortar
Compatible with 81mm mortars in inventory

Hmm, yes, if the drone has terrain data and knows its elevation, that's enough to do vertical drops with good accuracy. To target laterally a rangefinder would still be needed but maybe this isn't necessary. Thanks for the info, it seems our guys know what they're doing.

That's interesting about the 2D course correction. Basically like an ATGM without a rocket, or a MAM without a seeker (SACLOS). It's a good idea.

 

[dBSPL]

Jackal's jammer tests completed!

"As part of our efforts to ensure that our unmanned aerial vehicle Jackal fulfills its mission smoothly in all conditions, we successfully completed the flight test with full control and stability against jamming jammer devices."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669626569180971008

A heavier class naval VTOL based on the Jackal could enable the company to grow very aggressively. I hope company officials are aware of this.

 

[Tornadoss]

Jackal's jammer tests completed!

"As part of our efforts to ensure that our unmanned aerial vehicle Jackal fulfills its mission smoothly in all conditions, we successfully completed the flight test with full control and stability against jamming jammer devices."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669626569180971008

A heavier class naval VTOL based on the Jackal could enable the company to grow very aggressively. I hope company officials are aware of this.

Should we also revise effectiveness our jammers unless Jackal moves autonomously?

 

[boredaf]

A heavier class naval VTOL based on the Jackal could enable the company to grow very aggressively.

They would have to increase its payload at least up to 10 or 20 times for it to be actually useful for navy though. Any drone for the navy should be able to carry lightweight torpedoes or anti-ship missiles depending on the mission, along with necessary sensors.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669684797453611008

 

[Tornadoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1669684797453611008

I hope we can see it with more powerful engine sooner.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670007220371701760

Seems the french are aiming to compete with Akinci. But I’m curious as to which strings they will attach to these tvat’ll enable them to compete with Akinci.

 

[YeşilVatan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670007220371701760

Seems the french are aiming to compete with Akinci. But I’m curious as to which strings they will attach to these tvat’ll enable them to compete with Akinci.

My guess is; they are going to sell these at a very high price to the geopolitical competitors of Akıncı users. The French are very innovative prople when it comes to war profiteering.