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With 3 ÇAKIR, it can probably operate in the same radius and flight profile. However, my dream is to see this machine flying with 5 ÇAKIRs. As missile truck of fighter jets.
totally agree with you especially at war time 5 ÇAKIRs i.e weapon payload should be and will be the priority even it means shorter endurance or lower altitude

-stand off saturation attack with a mixed package of 5 Çakırs :devilish:
 

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Anka 3 should have been flying by now. Did it test crash or something? What's the hold up?
I think the project is progressing as it should. We know that TAI has a test and verification backlog with very high standards. However, the project was declassified at the beginning of the year 'for obvious reasons' and the project was rushed ahead of its course. Especially in ground tests and the pre-first flight phase, TAI is not as aggressive as Baykar, for example.
 

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TUSAŞ representatives first stated that there was a problem with the breaking system (afaik), then they said that the problem was fixed. But later Temel Kotil, in an interview during IDEF, said that Anka 3 is causing us problems and hasn't been able to fly yet, hinting that there may be new problems.

Here's the part where he talks about Anka 3:
 

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Last year, I said that studies can be carried out in our country on absorbent materials against microwave weapons of microwave size. However, when I scanned the literature, I saw that a doctoral thesis was already written on the subject in 2014.

In the continuation publication of Dr. Mehmet Burak Kaynar in 2015, it was announced that the materials in question were superparamagnetic.

The article here says that superparamagnetic materials are one of the main components of RAM coatings.

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The company founded by Dr. Mehmet Burak Kaynar had already exhibited its low RCS values, low thermal trace, canopy and coating technologies at IDEF.

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Canopy covering designs of our friends are also here


In the meantime, the company had a face-to-face meeting with Baykar Makine at the fair.

Dr. Mehmet Kaynar himself continues to work on radar absorbing materials.
We can say that our national RAM coating technology can now be used in KIZILELMA.
 

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With 3 ÇAKIR, it can probably operate in the same radius and flight profile. However, my dream is to see this machine flying with 5 ÇAKIRs. As missile truck of fighter jets.
I don't think 5 is realistic, I doubt hardpoints in outer wings can carry the weight of Çakır, especially with boosters. Akıncı always carries heavier stuff either under its fuselage or on the inner hardpoints (as far as I can remember) so I think, at most we can expect 3, which is still a lot of fire power.
 

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TUSAŞ representatives first stated that there was a problem with the breaking system (afaik), then they said that the problem was fixed. But later Temel Kotil, in an interview during IDEF, said that Anka 3 is causing us problems and hasn't been able to fly yet, hinting that there may be new problems.

Here's the part where he talks about Anka 3:
Not surprising, a flying wing is a completely different kind of beast to deal with.
 

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I don't think 5 is realistic, I doubt hardpoints in outer wings can carry the weight of Çakır, especially with boosters. Akıncı always carries heavier stuff either under its fuselage or on the inner hardpoints (as far as I can remember) so I think, at most we can expect 3, which is still a lot of fire power.
Üstadım, what I have written, as I have made clear, has no official basis, but is merely a wish. However, there are some fundamental grounds for this wish. AKINCI is not a completed aircraft development program. Still she is only halfway there. As a result of a certain road map as well as a Baykar PR policy, there are periodically demonstrations of capabilities that exceed the previously announced specs, one of which was a post in which AKINCI carried over 1.5 tonnes of ammunition and payload, as you know.

Even in the elephant walk that Baykar shared quite some time ago, 4 Mam-L and Mam-T were shown in the outer stations, which together with the pylons should correspond to a weight of over 200kg. In addition, as you may recall, in the IHA-230 firing tests, which were recorded as TR's first supersonic firing from UCAVs, munition was released from the outer pylon right next the engine. This would give an estimated weight of around 250kg with pylon, on single station.

As a side note, in the Baykar AKINCI documentary, one of the marketing discourses that they particularly underlined was the wing endurance tests of the aircraft, and it was emphasised several times that the aircraft was far above the strength structurally, to meet the requested specifications. There are already no problems with the Mk-82 type guidance kits and derivative ammunition types in the inner and underbody stations. We have even seen under the fuselage with ammunition twice as heavy.

Structurally, I have the idea that the pylon carrying the IHA-230 ammunition can also carry a ÇAKIR missile without boosters. If we can make progress in the third engine configuration, I don't think this will have a dramatic effect on the operational radius. In summary, AKINCI is a platform with a very high potential, and my view is just a small wish about where this potential can go.
 

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Structurally, I have the idea that the pylon carrying the IHA-230 ammunition can also carry a ÇAKIR missile without boosters.
See, that is why I wrote as far as I can remember because I thought it had fired UAV-230 from an inner hardpoint, but if it was the outer one then you right and it should be able to carry a Çakır without boosters, they only have, what, 50 kgs of difference?

In summary, AKINCI is a platform with a very high potential, and my view is just a small wish about where this potential can go.
I completely agree with you on that one, its potential is absolutely huge and I hope it'll go a long way, and as you said 5 Çakır (or maybe 3 Çakır with 2 UAV-230?) would be amazing. It really has the potential to (at least) take over the duties of our F-16s against the terrorists, or at least alleviate the stress on them considerably.
 

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the project was rushed ahead of its course
The project is not rushed, it is a whole new design of an aircraft that neither them or anyone in the country is familiar with. I would accept any kind of delays with Anka-III pleasantly.
 

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See, that is why I wrote as far as I can remember because I thought it had fired UAV-230 from an inner hardpoint, but if it was the outer one then you right and it should be able to carry a Çakır without boosters, they only have, what, 50 kgs of difference?
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Yes, there is probably a difference of around 50 kg, which suggests that the weight difference between Cakir and IHA-230 may be within tolerance limits.

By the way 5 x IHA-230 could also be a pretty scary configuration. lol.



The project is not rushed, it is a whole new design of an aircraft that neither them or anyone in the country is familiar with. I would accept any kind of delays with Anka-III pleasantly.
What I meant by rush was not about the project team itself. And I completely agree with what you say. Indeed, it appears that the project team followed a very detailed pre-flight test procedure.As I wrote above, while the project was brought to the forefront during the election process, it was used in the political arena with many discourses. Expectations developed in parallel with this. Now, I have the opinion that the question marks in people's minds about the maiden flight test of ANKA-3, which has been expected since May, are also related to the discourses during the election process.
 
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All of us would accept any kind of delays with Anka-III pleasantly. Nevertheless the timing for the first appearance of a ''whole new design of an aircraft that neither them or anyone in the country is familiar with'' just befor an election seems a bit premature NOW... so I would understand some one who rephrase the process as rushing
 

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It's my favourite concept. If they can push this vehicle towards a naval aircraft concept, the company will grow tens of times in a few years.

- Fully autonomous landing and take-off on ship deck over TACAN
- Foldable vertical blades and half wing
- 4-5 hours flight endurance
- Ability to carry lightweight torpedo or medium-range AShM on sides or dipping sonar capability in the lower part of the fuselage
(Probably a much larger and heavier aircraft than the current model. I do not think this is utopic, if they receives the support of giants such as Aselsan, Havelsan and TEI.)
 
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do we remember jackal that we exported to England?

Jackal, which made its first shot with Thales' LMM (Lightweight Multirole Missile) missile in England in October 2022, received full marks from British engineers, defense industry personnel and military experts who participated in the test.


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Oh I remember this. Thales claimed this drone was completely developed and manufactured in the UK. Bloody imperialists!
 

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Oh I remember this. Thales claimed this drone was completely developed and manufactured in the UK. Bloody imperialists!
Our UAV Jackal is now much faster in horizontal flight with 6 thruster EDF engines We continue to work to make Jackal UAV the most effective and well-equipped aircraft in its class, which we continue to develop and test at the facilities in Kalecik, Ankara .... this is the latest tweet from 14.08.2023 from

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Oh I remember this. Thales claimed this drone was completely developed and manufactured in the UK. Bloody imperialists!
As far as I understand, Thales is supporting the project and as a result, it is also involved in its marketing. I think the real question is, for example, Havelsan has developed BAHA for use/test the systems - and future warfare concept- it has developing. If they supports this project, to what extremes point can it take its concept, I think this is the main question we need to think about.
 

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As far as I understand, Thales is supporting the project and as a result, it is also involved in its marketing. I think the real question is, for example, Havelsan has developed BAHA for use/test the systems - and future warfare concept- it has developing. If they supports this project, to what extremes point can it take its concept, I think this is the main question we need to think about.
You probably want to take a look at the civilian ducted fan champion the Lilium jet.


or the next one that claims to be much quieter

 
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