TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[blackjack]

To be fairly honest appearance wise the Kizelma looks like a miniature F-35, if you slap the same level of RAM on it like the F-35 I am sure it will have a smaller radar signature than the F-35 because of its size for air to ground missions. You can have the KAAN fighter suited more for air-to-air roles letting the wingman UAVs do the air to ground roles for you.

 

[Radko]

I don't think that it is the twin engine Kızılelma, but differences in ailerons, size and intakes could mean that this is Kızılelma-B with AI-222 or AI-322f, remember that in the video they had schematics of those engines on screens

 

[BalkanTurk90]

has canards, so yeah most likely a bigger 2xengine KE

for me its the same as first , looks bulky because the front part is not mounted

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Just noticed that now. The slope near the canards also appears to be much more angled than on the regular KE.

There's also a Sukhoi'esque shape to it. Judging by the size of the front bit, it's probably several meters longer than the regular KE.

My guess is that this is a more devolved version of KE. On top of supersonic speeds, it may also have aerial refueling capabilities. I hope it also has a larger nose in order to accommodate a huge radar.

With those shity engines 3000 lbf will be crap , Perhaps with f16 engine will be super Air/Air drone

 

[Anmdt]

What do we have here?

At 0:43

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776569223562559803

The real Kizilelma, first one was a technology demonstrator at its best.

 

[Anmdt]

Yusuf Akbaba claims that the simulation area representing the runway of TCG Anadolu was set up and short distance take off and landing tests will be done on land first.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776662976910491824

Bro i have been telling this for awhile. Come on. To my knowledge the ramp has not been completed yet, but it was contracted to a subcontractor in December or January. Not expecting a completion this fast. Along with ramp, Baykar will try arrest mechanisms on the land, as well STOL trials.
First comes STOL, then ramp take offs, then arrest mechanism and lastly other trials associated with 'emergency' cases. They will also carry out tests to prepare a booklet for take - off length and mission profiles. There is a lot to do on land.

They still need to conduct some studies to assure those gears will withstand the worst conditions on a ship. I think for prototype tests they assume typical landing conditions on a land strip.
There is yet to come shore based ski-jump tests and arrest system tests on the land before trying it on Anadolu, in a calm sea and then desired sea state. Yes Navy has a habit of demanding demonstration on adverse weather conditions.

Simple dynamics of rigid bodies question for fresh engineering graduates;
a TB3 enters ski-jump %10 below the take-off speed and continues to accelerate with %5 of the take off speed (per second), given the curve of skip-jump (refer to any TCG Anadolu images, side-views and fit a 3rd degree polynomial) obtain the maximum force exerts on the front wheel in terms of the G (gravity). Assume mass as given by Baykar, CoG is positioned in midst of the fuselage and mass moment of inertia, angular motion is negligible. Ignore platform motion and unsteady weather conditions, assume a steady motion as given. For simplicity consider take-off speed as service speed.

Again, Nope. At best we will see a take off in 2024, no landing. Only if Baykar proves the concept at the land.

For your information; Baykar does not govern trials on Anadolu, Navy does.

Also; double checked, they have not simulated the vessel motion as of May, 2023.

We will see it in 2024, i am tagging this post to be checked in 2024 May.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Theorically can carry 1x mam-c and also laser range targeter for laser guided rockets. Also good for naval amfibic operations we can easily use trg-122's from lst's .

 

[Zafer]

Kalkan drone will probably be enlarged when larger engines are provided.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777168876842684862

We need such a production technology.

 

[Zafer]

Burkina Faso has Akıncı

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I don't know if it makes sense to export High-End Reaper Class Drones to Africa.
I can still understand TB2 but Akinci & Co how is that supposed to work? These countries have virtually no military navigation & communication capabilities and if Turkey allows them to access their own satellite network, then the door is open for China, Russia or USA/Europe to infiltrate this network. These countries are poor if one of these countries bribes an African soldier to access the network, it's already over.

 

[Zafer]

I don't know if it makes sense to export High-End Reaper Class Drones to Africa.
I can still understand TB2 but Akinci & Co how is that supposed to work? These countries have virtually no military navigation & communication capabilities and if Turkey allows them to access their own satellite network, then the door is open for China, Russia or USA/Europe to infiltrate this network. These countries are poor if one of these countries bribes an African soldier to access the network, it's already over.

Like what is over?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Like what is over?

The military satellite network in both navigation & communication breaks down e.g. due to a virus, backdoor or worm created years before by a potential enemy state.

If you were to go into the future now, and Turkey is at war with countries, for example, and the USA/EU interrupts all US GPS, Galileo systems.
If Turkey had only its own Turkish satellite network, it would suddenly be dead or unreachable because years earlier a virus was uploaded unnoticed from some African state by a double agent, and that unnoticed into Turkey's satellite network.
We don't need to explain the end result, no matter how secure a system is declared to be, it is always crackable and the danger is great if foreigners access it because you have signed a leasing contract for satellite time to Burkina Faso. These people can't even protect a supermarket, how can they guarantee Turkey that others won't access it in this case?

 

[Zafer]

The military satellite network in both navigation & communication breaks down e.g. due to a virus, backdoor or worm created years before by a potential enemy state.

If you were to go into the future now, and Turkey is at war with countries, for example, and the USA/EU interrupts all US GPS, Galileo systems.
If Turkey had only its own Turkish satellite network, it would suddenly be dead or unreachable because years earlier a virus was uploaded unnoticed from some African state by a double agent, and that unnoticed into Turkey's satellite network.
We don't need to explain the end result, no matter how secure a system is declared to be, it is always crackable and the danger is great if foreigners access it because you have signed a leasing contract for satellite time to Burkina Faso. These people can't even protect a supermarket, how can they guarantee Turkey that others won't access it in this case?

Very small odds

 

[Kitra]

The military satellite network in both navigation & communication breaks down e.g. due to a virus, backdoor or worm created years before by a potential enemy state.

If you were to go into the future now, and Turkey is at war with countries, for example, and the USA/EU interrupts all US GPS, Galileo systems.
If Turkey had only its own Turkish satellite network, it would suddenly be dead or unreachable because years earlier a virus was uploaded unnoticed from some African state by a double agent, and that unnoticed into Turkey's satellite network.
We don't need to explain the end result, no matter how secure a system is declared to be, it is always crackable and the danger is great if foreigners access it because you have signed a leasing contract for satellite time to Burkina Faso. These people can't even protect a supermarket, how can they guarantee Turkey that others won't access it in this case?

Why do you think a customer would be allowed add thier own software in the sat?

It is the same with phone and internet network. Just because you can send an sms does not mean you have access to their computers

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Why do you think a customer would be allowed add thier own software in the sat?

It is the same with phone and internet network. Just because you can send an sms does not mean you have access to their computers

Who said that the provider (Turkey) and the customer (Burkina Faso) know that the satellite network is/has been manipulated by third parties?
Why are there (double) agents, spies, organizations in the world that try to outdo each other, otherwise there would be no secret services in general?
Who says that all soldiers, civil servants and the like in Burkina Faso are clean without exception and are not corrupt themselves?
And if you can't achieve it through money, then through blackmail.
The Israeli secret service operates through intermediaries in Turkey, they were arrested, and you ask me why this should happen....
Unfortunately, I don't trust Burkina Faso's secret service & security system to use Turkey's system-critical platforms while protecting Turkey's security & confidentiality.

 

[Zafer]

Who said that the provider (Turkey) and the customer (Burkina Faso) know that the satellite network is/has been manipulated by third parties?
Why are there (double) agents, spies, organizations in the world that try to outdo each other, otherwise there would be no secret services in general?
Who says that all soldiers, civil servants and the like in Burkina Faso are clean without exception and are not corrupt themselves?

Systems allow data to flow upstream not codes.

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1777168876842684862

We need such a production technology.

We already have it.
We already used on our Air platforms.

Please have look video which is 2+ years old

starting at time 0:23

 

[Tornadoss]

We already have it.
We already used on our Air platforms.

Please have look video which is 2+ years old

starting at time 0:23

Maybe not the having the production equipment but being able to produce them.

 

[boredaf]

Who said that the provider (Turkey) and the customer (Burkina Faso) know that the satellite network is/has been manipulated by third parties?
Why are there (double) agents, spies, organizations in the world that try to outdo each other, otherwise there would be no secret services in general?
Who says that all soldiers, civil servants and the like in Burkina Faso are clean without exception and are not corrupt themselves?
And if you can't achieve it through money, then through blackmail.
The Israeli secret service operates through intermediaries in Turkey, they were arrested, and you ask me why this should happen....
Unfortunately, I don't trust Burkina Faso's secret service & security system to use Turkey's system-critical platforms while protecting Turkey's security & confidentiality.

Mate, what are you talking about? You didn't even reply to anything that was said in the post you quoted. Why would Akıncı need access to our military satellites when it can be used with LOS, and even if it needed satellite access why would we give them access to our own military ones? And even if we somehow did, why would we allow them to upload anything to our own systems?