TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Yasar_TR]

Now question remains whether the engine is from TEI, or Baykar Motor (and subsidiary), or lastly from Rotax?

As per @Merzifonlu ’s post, Baykar has an organic partnership going with Erin motor. They used a small engine of Erin to power their vertical take off UAV.

Sometimes it is easier to manipulate and work with private companies, than deal with state owned company bureaucracy.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Now question remains whether the engine is from TEI, or Baykar Motor (and subsidiary), or lastly from Rotax?

Totally not TEI, PD170 would be kinda large and we would notice

Baykar Motor? Likely considering they said they were developing their own thing

Rotax? Very likely as they have a turbocharged engine model

Either way, I'm sure it will be Baykar's own engine in the end considering how rapidly they have progressed in EO/IR field

 

[Oublious]

What is the probability that the inlet design will be transferred to TB3?
I think they want to modernize the TB2 so that it remains attractive in the lower product portfolio, not every country wants a SATCOM connection, if it can fly minimally higher, is technologically revised and offers more performance and fuel savings, the classic TB2 will soon go EoL. I could even imagine the Turkish armed forces selling their normal TB2 used to Africa & Co at a fair price and mainly switching to TB3 and TB2 2025 version.

Tb2 will after 20 years still relevant like it is now and Turkish Armed Forces will use it to. They are cheap and ther is enough spare parts to let it fly years.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Tb2 will after 20 years still relevant like it is now and Turkish Armed Forces will use it to. They are cheap and ther is enough spare parts to let it fly years.

That's right, but selling the old TB2s 20-30 for Good Price every 5-6 months really makes sense.
You could also sell it back to Baykar and they can resell it as refurbished to other Countries.

As far as I know, Turkey has about 200-300 TB2 drones in total.
With the money you can invest in TB3 & TB2T AI, you invest it in your own industry & ecosystem and not in a foreign industry, you secure jobs and the money circulates in the country.
You also modernize the armed forces with better next generation low cost drones.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Maybe some old TB-2s would be repurposed for more 'civilian' work in the future. Police, forestry, land surveys etc. They pretty much do all of those things anyway, AFAIK.

 

[Kaan Azman]

By the way, I think I've clarified the whole "Turbo Engine" affair on a mathematical basis

TB2 with 100-105 hp engine can hit 222 km/h

To hit 300 km/h, you would need a 135+ hp engine, not taking the reduced induc. drag from winglets into account because it is a pain in arse to calculate in detail but you get the point.

Thus, it is still an internal combustion one, just with turbochargers

We've seen that TB3 has a 140-ish hp engine option in TEKONFEST İzmir (My post about it is so damn lost in time) so I think Baykar has secured a deal for Rotax 914/915 or is developing a turbocharged engine of that power output.

 

[TheInsider]

The small winglets on the tail are fixed and they are both aerodynamic parts and antennas.
The engine is a turbocharged ICE engine. It is very likely to be Baykar BM-100 engine. Baykar is probably flight-testing both the engine and the new TB2T-AI.

 

[Kaan Azman]

The ones on tail ain't winglets though, winglets are placed on horizontal surfaces to shrink the tip vortices which reduces the induced drag

 

[uçuyorum]

The ones on tail ain't winglets though, winglets are placed on horizontal surfaces to shrink the tip vortices which reduces the induced drag

Could they be just to counter balance the weight from heavier engine by adding some lift

 

[Anmdt]

Totally not TEI, PD170 would be kinda large and we would notice

Baykar Motor? Likely considering they said they were developing their own thing

Rotax? Very likely as they have a turbocharged engine model

Either way, I'm sure it will be Baykar's own engine in the end considering how rapidly they have progressed in EO/IR field

TB2T has been flying for awhile if i am not mistaken and it is too early to be Baykar Motor. And most likely Selcuk would emphasize if the engine and eo payload belonged to them.

 

[Kaan Azman]

My calculations after we listed the possibilties also correspond to rotax sooooooo...

 

[zio]

Some TB2 motors comes from TEI,Mahmut Akşit said before ,they can improve it.

 

[TheInsider]

The Rotax engine doesn't have high-altitude capability. It is not possible to climb to 30000+ feet with a Rotax engine. Prototypes of the BM-100 engine were produced in 2024 and Baykar wants to deliver the first TB2 with BM100 engine in 2025. There is a problem though BM100 uses a lot of COTS automotive parts the engine is assembled with %90 COTS parts. It is like some mechanic goes to a Bursa industrial zone and assembles a car from various parts there.

I see 3 options
1) Prototype BM-100
2) Modified Rotax
3)Another different engine.


141 hp turbocharged Rotax maxes at 23000 feet.

915 iS A | iSc A | iS C24 | iSc C24

Dynamic iS engine with best power-to-weight ratio.

www.flyrotax.com

 

[Oublious]

Why did nobody post it?


FT: Baykar may improve UAVs to be integrated into 6th generation aircraft program GCAP

According to the Financial Times, Italian defense firm Leonardo is close to an agreement on a production partnership with Baykar.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894731958875250749

 

[2033]

Why did nobody post it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894731958875250749

Baykar should not be allowed to become a partner in GCAP unless the Turkish state officially becomes a partner in the project.

 

[TR_123456]

Why did nobody post it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894731958875250749

So,we made 5th gen already?
Which one is 5th gen?

 

[Oublious]

So,we made 5th gen already?
Which one is 5th gen?

you should read the tweet...

 

[TR_123456]

you should read the tweet...

I did,they are talking about the 6th gen fighter jet and Baykar Joining the program.
My question still remains,where is the 5th gen that they are talking about 6th gen?
Does Europe have a 5th gen fighter jet already that we dont know of?
And how does AI make it 6th gen?

 

[Oublious]

I did,they are talking about the 6th gen fighter jet and Baykar Joining the program.
My question still remains,where is the 5th gen that they are talking about 6th gen?
Does Europe have a 5th gen fighter jet already that we dont know of?
And how does AI make it 6th gen?

Well if they say 6 gen let it be 6 gen, Baykar will focus on ther loyalWing side. This will be a prestige project for Baykar.

 

[Oublious]

Baykar should not be allowed to become a partner in GCAP unless the Turkish state officially becomes a partner in the project.

Baykar will be not a partner of the GCAP but they will partner with Leonardo for the LoyalWingmen.