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[No Name]

The alliance and support of Pakistan is pretty old, in general Turkiye sees two "constant" allies Azerbaijan and Pakistan. Honestly its no surprise that Turkiye supports Pakistan, i think the only thing that changed recently was Erdogans open hostility towards India.

In general Turkiye always sided with Pakistan but i don't ever remember Turkish politicians shit talking India on the national stage constantly. I always felt this war wrong and truth be told i would prefer Turkiye to have moved in a way that could have bridged india and pakistan together. Because when we see the "large blocs" forming in the world, for example US, EU, China, a potentially larger Russia, the only block i felt Turkiye could have genuine relations with was the Pakistan, India, Bangladesh triangle.

As for involvement with Pakistan, probably to varying degrees. After America, Turkiye probably is involved in more conflicts on earth then any other nation on earth.

Oh yeah, in the early days of the Ukrainian war you could find footage where it shows Ukrainian operators striking a russian target, then you can hear Turkish insults being thrown. Implying that Turkish operators were in that room. There was also footage where you got Ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield, a guy is filming his squad and he turns to another soldier he goes to throw up the "grey wolf salute" then he catches himself and drops it moving away from the camera. You can find these sorts of footages from the first few weeks of that conflict. The idea that the Turkish military from day one would be embedded in Ukraine would not surprise me. Ukraine is a good friend and ally, but they are not considered brothers like Pakistan. It stands to reason that in a conflict Turkish soldiers would be present in some capacity on the side of Pakistan.

There are a lot of Turkic people from Russia fighting for Ukraine, as well as Tartars. are you sure they are Turkish military?

Also, why would the Pakistanis need help? Pakistan developed the YIHA-III alongside Turkey; their military personnel should be familiar with its use. Ukraine didn't know how to use drones before the war started, but Pakistan should be experienced in drone warfare.

Not to mention, wouldn't it be public in Turkey if Turkey lost two soldiers? Isn't stuff like that made public pretty quickly in Turkey?

To add to my last point, how does Indian media know about the Turkish operators being killed? They keep saying a Source told India today, but never say the source. I wonder if it is some bullshit one person made up then they all repeated.

If true this means that we are actually taking part in the conflict, at least indirectly, which is not good. This will bite us in the future one day.

If Turkish soldiers are killed then the government needs to respond in some way.

Turkey has a trade deficit with India, and their boycott will make that worse i say Turkey should scrap the trade deal completely.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929196860574507028

 

[Tabmachine]

India and Pakistan are Sending Turkish and Israeli Drones to War

Both India and Pakistan are armed to the teeth with a variety of lethal drones, including the Harop and TB2.

nationalinterest.org

Turkish TB2 and Aknci drones were present in Pakistan-India war recently.
A lot of bad publicity is coming from Indian generated media about them.
But are there any impartial evaluation about how they performed and if their performance were substandard as claimed, were there any reasons why?

We all know that in airspaces where there are highly efficient AD systems, these drones are useless. They are also no good against interceptor fighter jets. (You can’t send boys to do a man’s job).

In airspaces like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan and Karabagh where the airspace is void of modern AD and the area in question is within LOS, these type of drones perform well. But when it comes to longer distances and satellite communication is needed and there are no EW to help them out they become vulnerable.

They are not Swiss Knives that can be used everywhere.
Any further insight?

The TB2 are game-changing though, not as cutting-edge marvels, but as a democratization of access to UCAVs to deal with low-technology security challenges like guerilla groups. No country exports these drones at the scale of Turkiye afaik.

In a conflict at the level of the Pakistan-India conflict, they have a constrained role as recon/decoys/swarming tools but any procurement officials worth their salt should be aware of that fact. I don't think that really diminishes the market for TB-2 very much, if at all. They still are the high-quality, economical tool for their target use case.

 

[GoatsMilk]

If true this means that we are actually taking part in the conflict, at least indirectly, which is not good. This will bite us in the future one day.

The Russians have for hundreds of years been taking part in conflicts against us, they have in recent history supported terrorism against us and worked to destabilise us. If AK party didn't take part in this Ukrainian conflict that honestly would be treason of the highest order. I think in the future when all is said and done its going to become quite obvious that the Turkish military was engaged in this conflict to some degree. The extent of which will take many years to come out.

There are a lot of Turkic people from Russia fighting for Ukraine, as well as Tartars. are you sure they are Turkish military?

They wouldn't hide their identity. And its no coincidence that the style of drone warfare that Turkiye pioneered was critical in the early days of the war. Before the Ukraine war kicked off, the idea that Turkiye could end up in war with Russia was very real, be it syria, libya, or Azerbaijan. However since their global humiliation and total failure in Ukraine, Turks have quickly forgotten about the Russian threat. Their perceived as jokers currently, instead of a real threat.

Also, why would the Pakistanis need help? Pakistan developed the YIHA-III alongside Turkey; their military personnel should be familiar with its use. Ukraine didn't know how to use drones before the war started, but Pakistan should be experienced in drone warfare.

Its not about whether Pakistan needs help or not its about leveraging the benefit of having an ally like Turkiye. A NATO trained nation that has been engaged in real conflicts where they have smoked the opposition using pioneering tactics. So many conflicts won in the past 10 years has had Turkiye involved to some degree. If I'm Pakistan im using that alliance. Like wise if Turkiye was ever going to enter a full on war with a nation like Russia or Isreal i would expect Turkiye to obtain some Pakistani nukes or to get the Pakistani army to deploy in Turkiye with them as insurance against our enemies.

Buts its interesting how in all these conflicts the enemies of the engaged parties are so bitter, angry and confident of Turkish involvement. Whether it be India or Armenia in recent times. The Indians have globally lost their shit against Turkiye over this conflict. Maybe Pakistan used zero percent help from Turkiye, but the Indians are behaving as if we were a critical element in this recent conflict.

Not to mention, wouldn't it be public in Turkey if Turkey lost two soldiers? Isn't stuff like that made public pretty quickly in Turkey?

When Russians bombed and killed 40 Turkish troops in idlib, where the Russians were advertising on their TV the strike, while also advertising how they bombed the ambulances sent in to retrieve the injured and dead, this AK party government tried to hide it. It was only on social media where it lit the public up like wild fire that forced erdogan to move on Idlib, ironically it was that retaliation that saved the current leaders of Syria today.

As for India, India is not perceived the way Russia is perceived. If indeed India did kill two Turkish people in this recent conflict between Pakistani and India it will just be perceived as a consequence of war.

 

[Anastasius]

I doubt the claim that Turkish citizens were killed for the simple reason that if it were true, Indian media would plaster the evidence EVERYWHERE up-front. Pretty much anything to do with the Pakistani-Indian conflict is a he said, she said kind of deal 90% of the time so I wouldn't take it seriously unless solid proof is put forward or a Turkish military official confirms it down the line.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929768457802846312

 

[mTT]

BAYRAKTAR TB3 Test Flight Program
Comprehensive Test Results and Performance Data (2023–2025)
This table has been created based on official statements.
Last updated: 06/03/2025​

 

[Tabmachine]

Q&A with Haluk Bayraktar - Atlantic Council

(link ^ )

It seems to me like they are really shooting for the stars, hoping to lead with a truly autonomous unmanned fighter in the long-term.

In the near-future though, is it really viable to have an independent unmanned fighter connected to a command center, playing a command and control function? I suppose if they can at least develop the planes ability to autonomously retreat and recover if its connection is jammed, that could work?

 

[Strong AI]

Q&A with Haluk Bayraktar - Atlantic Council

(link ^ )

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It seems to me like they are really shooting for the stars, hoping to lead with a truly autonomous unmanned fighter in the long-term.

In the near-future though, is it really viable to have an independent unmanned fighter connected to a command center, playing a command and control function? I suppose if they can at least develop the planes ability to autonomously retreat and recover if its connection is jammed, that could work?

It should be able to do this at least, or else it will be only a fast and expensiv drone.

This PDF, which I printed out from a manual for Falcon BMS (F-16 Simulation), sums up my expectations for what an unmanned fighter jet and loyal wingman should be able to do, either through its AI or by commands from a human operator (MUM-T).
FYI, "spiked" means you are being tracked (being locked on) by a radar.

What are your expectations?

 

[Anastasius]

I'm pretty sure Baykar's drones have had this capability, albeit to a limited extent, for a while now since I recall an interview with a Ukrainian drone pilot a couple of years ago where he mentioned losing connection with TB-2s in the field and having them fly back to base later on their own, damaged but still functional. So no surprise that Baykar is doubling down on this approach.

 

[Oublious]

Found this on the internet, ther is 2 KE manufactured. I do not now if it is a old picture.

 

[Sanchez]

Found this on the internet, ther is 2 KE manufactured. I do not now if it is a old picture.

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It’s from this week, MSNBC interview of Selçuk.

 

[Strong AI]

Found this on the internet, ther is 2 KE manufactured. I do not now if it is a old picture.

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Is that a weapons bay door right next to that black thing?

 

[mTT]

It’s from this week, MSNBC interview of Selçuk.

 

[fushkee]

Do they use titanium structure? If so, who produces or provides these titaniums?
Without using titanium frame, how can it do aggressive manoeuvres in the air?

 

[Quasar]

Do they use titanium structure? If so, who produces or provides these titaniums?
Without using titanium frame, how can it do aggressive manoeuvres in the air?

A logical claim could be; composites over an Aluminium frame including high performance alloys and Titanium alloys

 

[Oublious]

It’s from this week, MSNBC interview of Selçuk.

did you listen to that interview could not find it.

 

[Oublious]

Is that a weapons bay door right next to that black thing?

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yes..

 

[No Name]

yes..

Does this mean they will finally do weapons tests?

 

[Oublious]

Does this mean they will finally do weapons tests?

Nobody can give you that answer, just patience and wait. We will see it...