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[Turkic]

What is your reference for what the RCS is, Kızılelma is supposed to be better than those planes.

The Rcs value of kizilelma is higher compared to other 5th gen fighters like a F35 f22 or chinese models but is leaps smaller than any 4,5 gen fighter jet. There is also a misunderstanding when it comes to the Rcs value of Eurofighter or rafale these can have a relative small rcs value but only from a direct approach and without any payload and that is not realistic under normal conditions the RCS is a minimum of 1 sqm if not higher. Kizilelma is also still in its infancy and baykar is still new to the game of producing advanced composite airframes with time the RCs value will decrease as production quality increases.

If you asked why KE has RCS values similar to 4.5th gen jets like Rafale, EF or KF-21; that would be a better question.

I said these not @Huelague so I will answer. If we consider KE's RCS value (which we don't know) as 0.1m², 4.5th gens RCS values as 1m² and 5th gen RCS values as <0.01; this makes KE's RCS values similar to 4.5th gens more than it is similar to 5th gens. With "similar", I don't mean "same" but "closer when compared".

‘Body‘ (geometry) is not that expensive.

A plane's geometry could affect the production costs more than you think. YF-23, as you know, was extremely expensive and it's geometry had a noteworthy slice from the cake. With new production technologies, it is much cheaper but KE is a low-budget, low-cost aircraft. It may still be expensive for it.

RAM should be ready and in use by KAAN. Kizilelma could use same coating.

Sure, depends on the performance on KE and price. A high-quality ram coating would be perfect on Kaan but if KE's design has flaws and it shines on radars even if you use high-quality ram coating and if it is indeed expensive, they could use a more effective option.

I will define "flaws" to not get misunderstood. Let's assume RCS value of the radom as 0.3 and radom coonection point's RCS value as 0.5. And let's say radome will have 0.01m² RCS value with Kaan's ram coating but the connections will not drop below 0.1m². Would you use high-end ram coating in such a plane or a ram coating enough to take it all just below 0.1m². (If Kaan's ram coating is affordable for KE, go for it. I assumed it is expensive.)

 

[Zafer]

1. F16 1.2
2. EF 0.25
3. SU57 0.1
4. KE 0.07
5. Anka3 0.001

More likely

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The RCS from F-16 is bit higher 1.5 or 2
Eurofighter and Rafale 0.5 to 1
SU 57 I don't know is speculation nobody know exactly.
Kizilelma 0.05 - 0.08 maybe is speculation
Anka 3 0.005 - 0.008 maybe is speculation

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The RCS from F-16 is bit higher 1.5 or 2
Normally it had an RCS of 3 to 5 as 70s Design Airframe; after undergoing Have Glas I–IV RAM, it was reduced to 1.5–2 RCS.

Eurofighter and Rafale 0.5 to 1 RCS it's 90s Design Airframe with RAM.
SU 57 I don't know is speculation nobody know exactly.
Kizilelma 0.05 - 0.08 speculation
Anka 3 0.005 - 0.008 speculation