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[Zafer]

I have to say this though: Baykar is getting all the credit.
There are game of drones videos in youtube for example.

It is always TB2 and Akinci.

I mean I get TB2 because it is a tactical UCAV so we see a lot more action from it alright but...videos also promoted Akinji(which wasnt out at the time) and completely neglected Anka and Aksungur.

It is like as if this country only has two combat drones: TB2 and Akinci.

These are just the drone side, also the work of the Mam missiles and Koral EW systems are also neglected.

I mean people in this forum of course would know or someone into this subject would also know but the mainstream media says TB2s shot Russian air defense systems. I wonder if they could shoot them without Koral interrupting.

When Bayraktar started dropping bombs it was the only one that could do so.
Akıncı is the faster runner of all of them.

These two planes are the ones that do a better job than others.
They are the ones that broadened the envelope of Turkey's capabilities.
There is no thing that these two planes can not do better than any other.
They are the champions.

Second runners are not exciting.

Show business is all about thrills, the donkey standing next to the race horse will not steal the show.

Such is the truth of the matter.

 

[Ryder]

I really cant understand how your brains operate.

The poet you took your nickname after, Fuzuli, was a supporter of the other side in the battle of Chaldiran.

It was a battle against uprising Turkmens and the Ottoman state. I mean it was a battle that brother blood was spilled. It wasnt even a close battle, it wasnt a brilliant victory or anything neither. The numerically and technologically inferior side was obliterated under musket volleyfires and cannons. Sth like Native American massacre.

Out of all the battles and wars and brilliant victories in Turkish history, was this what they could come up with?

I mean I really see no reason to name a drone after such a battle. I would still get Dandanakan, it was also a battle between two Turkic armies but at least the underdog side won the battle so it was an impressive victory.

And we sold the predecessor system of these to Azerbaijan, am I the only one seeing the irony here?

We dont need Armenians, we already have ourselves.

What???

Caldiran was a battle between the Ottoman empire and the Safavid Empire by the way the Safavids were actually a pretty strong army their only weakness is that barely had proper gunpowder soldiers and artillery.

You are talking about a army that conquered Iran even fought the Uzbeks and took parts of the Caucasus.

It was not a uprising it was a real war between two empires. Uprising you are talking about is the Safavid backed Shakulu rebellion.

Caldiran battle was a impressive victory and cemented Yavuz Sultan Selim as one of the greatest Turkish Sultans of all time. He ruled for 8 years and achieved so much in a small time.

Shah Ismail barely had any defeats you can say he was undefeated until Caldiran. After Caldiran he became a broken man and died of alcoholism and depression thats how big the defeat hit him.

 

[Ardabas34]

What???

Caldiran was a battle between the Ottoman empire and the Safavid Empire by the way the Safavids were actually a pretty strong army their only weakness is that barely had proper gunpowder soldiers and artillery.

You are talking about a army that conquered Iran even fought the Uzbeks and took parts of the Caucasus.

It was not a uprising it was a real war between two empires. Uprising you are talking about is the Safavid backed Shakulu rebellion.

Caldiran battle was a impressive victory and cemented Yavuz Sultan Selim as one of the greatest Turkish Sultans of all time. He ruled for 8 years and achieved so much in a small time.

Shah Ismail barely had any defeats you can say he was undefeated until Caldiran. After Caldiran he became a broken man and died of alcoholism and depression thats how big the defeat hit him.

Selim I started his campaign with 150.000 and he had to leave 50.000 behind in Anatolia for a possible rebellion on the way back. He faced Safavids who were 45.000 with 100.000 and he had cannons and musketeers.

Yes Safavids were an empire at that point but they were a no match for the Ottoman army. Their army was still basically Turkmens supporting Ismail.

I mean Safavids were clearly the underdogs in this fight. In fact in the left flank they managed to get better for a while but janissaries quickly volley fired and threw them back. Once the cannons exploded Turkmens horses first time hearing this sound, didnt obey their riders.

There wasnt even a chance for them to win.

''one of the greatest Turkish Sultans of all time.''

Thats a bold statement because Ottoman war machine was pretty oiled up at his time so we cant know how much of the credit goes to the empire itself and how much to the sultan. I mean he wasnt like Tamerlane or Genghis who had to raise armies from zero.
He was also defeated against his father when he had the inferior army, keep in mind. Also executing your viziers constantly is a bad policy.

 

[Ryder]

Selim I started his campaign with 150.000 and he had to leave 50.000 behind in Anatolia for a possible rebellion on the way back. He faced Safavids who were 45.000 with 100.000 and he had cannons and musketeers.

Yes Safavids were an empire at that point but they were a no match for the Ottoman army. Their army was still basically Turkmens supporting Ismail.

I mean Safavids were clearly the underdogs in this fight. In fact in the left flank they managed to get better for a while but janissaries quickly volley fired and threw them back. Once the cannons exploded Turkmens horses first time hearing this sound, didnt obey their riders.

There wasnt even a chance for them to win.

''one of the greatest Turkish Sultans of all time.''

Thats a bold statement because Ottoman war machine was pretty oiled up at his time so we cant know how much of the credit goes to the empire itself and how much to the sultan. I mean he wasnt like Tamerlane or Genghis who had to raise armies from zero.
He was also defeated against his father when he had the inferior army, keep in mind. Also executing your viziers constantly is a bad policy.

Yavuz sultan selim did not have everything handed down he had to fight for it even his own dynasty.

Sultan suleyman had everything handed down to him by his own father.

In 8 years he achieved in a small amount of time. There is a reason why pan turkic nationalists like Nihal Atsiz praise Yavuz Sultan Selim.

Underdogs??? You are talking about a army that was undefeated. Shah Ismail was not a underdog his Qizilbash bretheren worship him as some sort of messiah hence why who needs guns and cannons when our leader is unstoppable.

Shah Ismail underestimated Yavuz Sultan selim and took him as some sort of weakling like his dad Bayezid II.

Yavuz Sultan Selim and his acheivements in the long term made the empire run for a long time. Genghis and Timur achieved a lot in a small amount of time while nothing handed to them but guess what their empires did not stand for 200 years or so.

After timurs death his empire collapsed. Genghis Khans descendants ripped open his empire within a century.

Yavuz Sultan Selims conquests of the Middle East balanced out the Ottoman Empire by adding in even more Muslims to balance out the Christians. By taking the caliphate means that the centre of Islamic Power belongs to the Turks not the Arabs or the Persians.

Why do you think Arabs hate Yavuz so much?? Because he took their leadership. Imagine that a Turk taking the leadership of caliphate. Most of the Caliphates were Arab now you have the Turks ruling.

I dont think our Azerbaijani brothers are offended most of the Azerbaijanis I talked to on social media praise the Ottoman Empire due to their Oghuz Turkic heritage.

Unlike a lot of Turks of Turkey who hate the Ottomans and see them as a source of shame I came across with a lot of these people.

Yavuz by all accounts is underrated if not overlooked in our history. I mean Abdulhamid II is more famous than Yavuz Sultan Selim. Which is a shame.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

@Ardabas34 , @Nein2.0

You're getting off topic with your history debate.
Next one is going to be deleted.

 

[Ryder]

@Ardabas34 , @Nein2.0

You're getting off topic with your history debate.
Next one is going to be deleted.

Sorry about that I was just about to go on topic. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Addition to Anka-I SIGINT, IHASOJ drones are coming.

Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı’ndan İHASOJ Projesi

İHASOJ Projesi, Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı tarafından başlatıldı. İHASOJ ile Türkiye, insansız platformlardan elektronik harp icra edebilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Turkey's top defense body starts UAV stand-off jammer project​

Turkey’s Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) has kicked off its drone Stand-Off-Jammer/Remote Jammer (SOJ) project which will equip unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) with electronic warfare (EW) capabilities, an official from the SSB said Wednesday.

The SSB's Electronic Warfare and Radar Department Chairperson Ahmet Akyol’s statements came during a defense industry event held within the scope of a university organization.

Akyol said that the "IHA SOJ" – the Stand-Off-Jammer/Remote Jammer project’s local name – had been launched to equip to UAVs with EW capabilities.

Turkey’s Anka-I UAV, produced by one of the country's two leading local drone manufacturers, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), can already perform signal intelligence (SIGINT) activities and is in National Intelligence Organization's (MIT) inventory.

The SSB is also developing the Remote Electronic Support/Electronic Attack Ability in Air Platform (HAVA SOJ) Project, which will be able to detect, identify and locate enemy communication systems as well as radar and air defense, providing an early warning, as well as confusing, deceiving and blinding these systems to prevent them from being used against friendly elements, particularly in cross-border operations.


Within the scope of that project, four HAVA SOJ systems required by the Turkish Air Forces Command (HvKK) will be procured.

Deliveries are set to start in 2023 with the first HAVA SOJ system, and SOJ Fleet Building and are expected to run through 2025.

Ismail Demir, the SSB chairperson, said most recently during an interview with Daily Sabah that embargoes and delays have hampered the progress of the project, but “despite hindrances in the HAVA SOJ project, we continue our efforts with our own capacities."

Turkey's top defense body starts UAV stand-off jammer project

Turkey’s Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) has kicked off its drone Stand-Off-Jammer/Remote Jammer (SOJ) project which will equip unmanned aerial...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Addition to Anka-I SIGINT, IHASOJ drones are coming.

Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı’ndan İHASOJ Projesi

İHASOJ Projesi, Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı tarafından başlatıldı. İHASOJ ile Türkiye, insansız platformlardan elektronik harp icra edebilecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

That's a great development.
I think Aksungur would be an ideal platform for it.

 

[Anmdt]

That's a great development.
I think Aksungur would be an ideal platform for it.

Akıncı fits better, it will have better power output with 2 x 750 HP engines.
And Its nose can be used to host AESA based jammers.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

For more powerful jamming signal output, Officials should even consider 2x 900-1000hp turboprop options.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Akıncı fits better, it will have better power output with 2 x 750 HP engines.
And Its nose can be used to host AESA based jammers.

True, but I'd love to see those "bumps" on the Aksungur.
Whichever it will be, I hope IDEF21 will shed some more light on it. Maybe a mock-up!

 

[Combat-Master]

True, but I'd love to see those "bumps" on the Aksungur.
Whichever it will be, I hope IDEF21 will shed some more light on it. Maybe a mock-up!

Aksungur would be perfect for COMINT ESM/ELINT IMINT

 

[Combat-Master]

For more powerful jamming signal output, Officials should even consider 2x 900-1000hp turboprop options.

Wonder if they could slap in a small APU for when necessary it could boost power-output

 

[azaher77]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1374737660095397889

 

[azaher77]

It is aimed to use AESA radar for AKINCI this year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1374720724716417027

 

[Cabatli_TR]

SSB: The IHA-HIK are being developed.

IHA-SOJ
IHA-HIK
Anka-I SIGINT

 

[Nutuk]

HIK stands for?

 

[Quasar]

HIK stands for?

Havadan İhbar Kontrol I guess. some adding erken some not

 

[Nutuk]

So it is like our boeing AEW and C peace eagle awacs?

Great! Very important to have a flying radar

 

[Combat-Master]

SSB: The IHA-HIK are being developed.

IHA-SOJ
IHA-HIK
Anka-I SIGINT

Can they develop some flying missile racks