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[Ryder]

I find it interesting this whole fight between both allowed me to find out that Turkey had experimented with drones since the 1980s.

Im learning something new now we see it with Baykar and TAI we get the see the fruits of innovations and advancements.

For sure the engineers and the scientists treat these machine like a child growing up.

Now we get to witness the Akinci and the Aksungur.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387078496690782209

Has this so called expert ever heard of combined arms approach.

Im laughing so bad

Being expert and biased expert (aka looser) is two kind of a thing, the latter can be spotted easily

 

[ŞeyhMuşmula]

Baykar-TUSAŞ fight is just a stupid thing. People do not try to shit on TUSAŞ but some politicaly obsessed idiots shitting on Baykar. Especially some so called experts are politicizing defence sector.

Just look at two comments above. Bayraktar succesfuly created a fan base. Now we see people comparing TB-2 to Anka and claiming TB-2 have done a better job for the army. People do try to shit on TAI, this includes CTO of the Baykar. This is already as political as it can get. You have a company with ties to Erdogan in one hand and a company owned by the state in the other. If there is a state owned company who is one of the most succesfulls in the world at it's job, you don't take their buissineses and give to your son in law.

Again, him being son in law to Erdoğan doesn't make him a less succesfull engineer.

 

[Ryder]

Being expert and biased expert (aka looser) is two kind of a thing, the latter can be spotted easily

Loser expert will say naval warfare is useless because we have still have to land troops to fight

 

[Ardabas34]

It is very unfortunate that TAI ANKA and TAI Aksungur are held behind the curtain and all the spotlight is given to Baykar TB2. We already knew this and while it was disappointing at least it was our subjective observation but straight out lying about who was the first...

1- Baykar TB2 strongly relies on weapons and electronic warfare systems developed by Roketsan and Aselsan.
2- TAI Anka is an older system than Bayraktar drones.
3- Politics steal the spotlight for Baykar and this is unfair to all our precious engineers working in TAI, Aselsan, Roketsan, Havelsan.

 

[Zafer]

Meant nothing???

You do realise experimentation is a stepping stone to the future.

I dont like people shitting on Baykar but I also dont like people shitting on TAI and the anka. TAI have drones that date back to the 1980s if not the early 2000s if we are being modest.

Something that hasn't been useful is not useful as there is the other that already filled the role of the lazy ass bigshot. It wouldn't matter if Baykar made it if Anka was already making it. Anka didn't bring that capability to Turkey. Not the bang for the buck. Anka has always been a half hearted effort for political reasons until finally there was TB2 after which Anka had to either catch up or to perish. Now it's barely hanging on as there is already a full stable.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Whoever is controlling their social media needs a short history lesson. It's disrespectful to the engineers that worked on weaponizing ANKA.

Yeah those guys need to start behaving like true muslims and not constantly lying and trying to steal all the success for themselves.

 

[TheInsider]

Who gives a shit if Anka engineers experimented with weapons, it meant nothing for Turkish military endeavors.
It wasn't until Baykar started dropping bombs that we got the upperhand against terrorists even inside our borders. Anka would never be able to give that power to Turkey.

This is the biggest bullshit that I have ever heard in this forum. This is so disrespectful to the engineers and mechanics of the TAI. BTW TAI has not just experimented with arming ANKA, as you can see from the screenshot I posted ANKA-B was accepted into inventory and conducted missions before the TB2.

A lie is a lie there is no way to turn or twist this. A company of Baykars caliber shouldn't lie. You won't see those kinds of claims from experienced defense industry companies.
Baykar also lied about the national contribution ratio for many years since they introduced TB2s. I covered that one too. It is like half of the TB2 subsystems are nationalized since TB2s first introduction. For 7 years they told us %93 national lie. It was not %93 national period. Today it is. Only after embargoes. In this sector, the last thing we need is lies and propaganda.

 

[Tornadoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387078496690782209

Has this so called expert ever heard of combined arms approach.

Im laughing so bad

This is pathetic

 

[Zafer]

This is so disrespectful to the engineers and mechanics of the TAI

Not giving the plane Turkey needed is the biggest harm those underperforming engineers did to Turkey.
Some even turned out to be traitors. Other engineers could have given the plane in time for operations saving the nations being weak against terrorism and they did. One should praise success and should know to condemn failures.
We can not tolerate drags that gave us the sufferings.

 

[Blank1]

Calm down people!
Baykar is like General Atomics of Turkey and TAI is like mini Boeing of Turkey. We need them both & there success is extremely essential for Turkey.

 

[Lupus]

Hi huys I'm writing for the first time here. I have been fallowing defence news for a long long time. About Göksungur; as far as I understand from Mr. Kotil's speech on Cnn Turk (couldnt upload the video but its on youtube @1.03.30), Göksungur will be thrown off from Anka and Aksungur. I thought Göksungur will be like royal wingman too but they might have changed their minds. Anyone have an idea of this new concept of göksungur? or did he miss understand the question and talked about şimşek target plane?

 

[Sinan]

Hi huys I'm writing for the first time here. I have been fallowing defence news for a long long time. About Göksungur; as far as I understand from Mr. Kotil's speech on Cnn Turk (couldnt upload the video but its on youtube @1.03.30), Göksungur will be thrown off from Anka and Aksungur. I thought Göksungur will be like royal wingman too but they might have changed their minds. Anyone have an idea of this new concept of göksungur? or did he miss understand the question and talked about şimşek target plane?

Nope, you understood that right.

And it was not the first time Temel Kotil stated this. If i'm not wrong he previously stated this on a tv program with Fatih Altaylı.

Maybe they are thinking, something like ADM-160 MALD.

However, there are many misinformation on the issue.

- Media said it would carry WVR and BVR missiles https://www.yenisafak.com/ekonomi/supersonik-iha-goksungur-teknik-ozellikleri-nelerdir-3590380
- In January 2020, Temel Kotil said that "Göksungur will fly in 2020" however we are in 2021 now. https://www.defenceturk.net/goksungur-iha-ilk-ucusunu-2020de-gerceklestirecek

There are not much info on the open sources. Looks like, they will make us wait till it's unveiling.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

How is arguing about who's first and better gonna help with anything?
Why being "in the spotlight" is so important? Every company's PR is different. Baykar has a fan base because of TeknoFest too.
TUSAS doesn't need such a thing.

TUSAS is one of the main columns of Turkish defence industry and its success is mind-boggling, from merely assembling F-16s with General Dynamics, then buying it all off, then creating TEI division, then experimenting with numerous UAV platforms and look at all the things it has wonderfully achieved, and the amount of projects being worked on.

Baykar as a small family-run company have experimented on their own too, researched on battlefields picking up experienced commanders' brains about the requirements to find solutions (long before marrying into the presidency). The rest is for all to see out there, affordable, high-tech but simple UCAVs have been the talk of the world especially after Karabagh II.

It's a pointless comparison and not worthy of debate, both have done great things for their country and that should count the most.

 

[Zafer]

How is arguing about who's first and better gonna help with anything?
Why being "in the spotlight" is so important? Every company's PR is different. Baykar has a fan base because of TeknoFest too.
TUSAS doesn't need such a thing.

TUSAS is one of the main columns of Turkish defence industry and it's success is mind-boggling, from merely assembling F-16s with General Dynamics, then buying it all off, then creating TEI division, then experimenting with numerous UAV platforms and look at all the things it has wonderfully achieved, and the amount of projects being worked on.

Baykar as a small family-run company have experimented on their own too, researched on battlefields picking up experienced commanders' brains about the requirements to find solutions (long before marrying into the presidency). The rest is for all to see out there, affordable, high-tech but simple UCAVs have been the talk of the world especially after Karabagh II.

It's a pointless comparison and not worthy of debate, both have done great things for their country and that should count the most.

Baykar is not all success, their choice of design for Cezeri is a miserable failure.

 

[what]

Compare how respectful Kotil talked about Baykar on CNN vs. this social media post of Baykar. Very disrespectful.

 

[Oublious]

LoL, you can see how much hate is going on against Bayraktar. Anka never fired first shot because first time Anka was armed operational started in 2017. Old scetch road map of Tusas is in this case irrelevant. Hower if you search for it Anka did fired in 24 june 2014 Cirit for the first time. Apparently Bayraktar was 2 months earlier.



LoL never thought how simple twitter fak mind of people...


what does it matter?

 

[ŞeyhMuşmula]

Nope, you understood that right.

And it was not the first time Temel Kotil stated this. If i'm not wrong he previously stated this on a tv program with Fatih Altaylı.

Maybe they are thinking, something like ADM-160 MALD.

However, there are many misinformation on the issue.

- Media said it would carry WVR and BVR missiles https://www.yenisafak.com/ekonomi/supersonik-iha-goksungur-teknik-ozellikleri-nelerdir-3590380
- In January 2020, Temel Kotil said that "Göksungur will fly in 2020" however we are in 2021 now. https://www.defenceturk.net/goksungur-iha-ilk-ucusunu-2020de-gerceklestirecek

There are not much info on the open sources. Looks like, they will make us wait till it's unveiling.

I heard him saying 2025 for the Göksungur in one of the latest interviews.

 

[Stuka]

A Blogpost about Loitering Ammuniton.

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> An interesting read.

I was very skeptical about VESTEL SAVUNMA due to their failure to develop a catapult launched Drone and then proceeding to develop Karayel UCAV.
Especially because the Kamikaze Drone is such an important Strategic Asset and since there isn't much information about VESTEL SAVUNMA online I cannot obtain anything to balance expectations.

The Engine developed by TEI (PG50) entered serial production officially around 05.12.2020. So perhaps the Engine was the Bottleneck.

KARGI Dolanan Mühimmatı’nın motoru PG-50 seri üretime geçti | SavunmaSanayiST

Milli ve azami oranda yerli imkanlarla geliştirilen KARGI Dolanan Mühimmatı’na güç verecek TEI PG-50 İki Zamanlı Benzinli Havacılık motoru, seri üretime geçti.

www.savunmasanayist.com

> But VESTEL SAVUNMA seems popular ca. 120.000 Followers on Kariyer.net

Lentatek Uzay Havacılık ve Teknoloji A.Ş. İş İlanları - Kariyer.net

Lentatek Uzay Havacılık ve Teknoloji A.Ş. iş ilanları Kariyer.net'de! İnsan kaynakları departmanına iş başvurusu veya staj başvurusu yapmak için hemen tıklayın.

www.kariyer.net

 

[Sinan]

I heard him saying 2025 for the Göksungur in one of the latest interviews.

I heard that too which made no sense. It was supposed to fly at 2020 but gonna fly at 2025 ? What the reason of delay for 5 years?

There is something fishy here, maybe we will learn in the future.