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Wednesday, March 22, was another black day for Ukraine. In Rzhishchev, Kyiv region, as a result of an attack by drones launched by Russia on the night of March 22, seven people died. In Zaporozhye on the afternoon of March 22, the Russians fired six rockets, two high-rise buildings were destroyed, one person died, 27 were hospitalized, including three children.
 

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Interesting interview with Michael Kofman and Rob Lee:


Some statements:

-Russia is probably going to mobilize again
-There are only a few units that can carry offensive operations right now, like VDV or Wagner.
-Further mobilization could be destined to defensive duties, for trying to hold the UKR offensive in the following months and then counter-attack while rebuilding some units.
 

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Yes, absolutely they can use nukes. There's this thing called low yield nukes. warhead size hovers around 10kT-12kT, a little smaller than the one's detonated in Hiroshima.

Russia has 6000 of those...

People has only asked what is the implication on Russia only, without asking what will be the implication on its immidiate neighbor. IF...and this is a big IF Russia detonated one on the field, the questions would be...what would the West do next ? Low yield detonation isn't enough justification to retaliate Russia in return with the same kind.

Russia using some low yield nukes in Ukraine is NATO’s wet dream. Such a reckless action would give them cover to offer any kind of offensive weapons to Ukraine, except for nukes, as the Russians would have escalated to a level that would make sending F16s or ATACMS a joke.

Also, this would force countries like India, Turkey and China to stop trade with Russia, which means a quick collapse of the Russian economy and regime.

Pariah state? They're already a pariah state
But they still trade with Turkey, India and China.

  • Sanctions ? they're brimming with it, and recently surpassed NorKo

The sanctions against them are limited in scope in order to allow them to still sell oil and gas at lower prices to India, Turkey and China. There’s still room for much tougher sanctions.

  • Countries severing ties with Russia ? With the exception of Belarus and maybe China, not one is important enough for the country at the moment.

You think they would do well if Turkey and India would stop trading with them?

  • Military actions ? Could be, but escalations by two nuclear armed forces is something to be thought deeply especially if you want your house in Kentucky turn to glass just because some defenders in Donbass got nuked.

No need for direct military action if you give Ukraine cruise missiles and fighter jets. The Ukrainians would be happy to strike deep into Russian territory on behalf of the West.

  • Countries start proliferating nukes ? That's the Western led world orders problem not Russia's. Imagine another 10-15 country the size of Pakistan or Israel and nuclear armed...that would be much fun. South Korea has made it clear that they're going to follow that path sooner or later, Japan might be interested to acquire one. In the end its the Western order that will have the most headache because they're not only dealing with "rogue" regimes (as they like to call it) but possibly allies that is breaking the norm on nuclear proliferation.
Yes, proliferation would most likely happen, but more countries having nukes will reduce the threat of war.
 

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Russia using some low yield nukes in Ukraine is NATO’s wet dream. Such a reckless action would give them cover to offer any kind of offensive weapons to Ukraine, except for nukes, as the Russians would have escalated to a level that would make sending F16s or ATACMS a joke.
That's absurd. After the first nuke(s) is/are dropped on it Ukraine would immediately capitulate.
 

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That's absurd. After the first nuke(s) is/are dropped on it Ukraine would immediately capitulate.

You’re hilarious. I’ve heard Ukrainian military bloggers who say they would like Russia to use a tactical nuke, because it would have very little effect on the battlefield but it will force the West to give more advanced weapons to Ukraine. It’s basically what the Ukrainians want.
 

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You’re hilarious. I’ve heard Ukrainian military bloggers who say they would like Russia to use a tactical nuke, because it would have very little effect on the battlefield but it will force the West to give more advanced weapons to Ukraine. It’s basically what the Ukrainians want.
Fortunately, delusional bloggers aren't commanding the Ukrainian Armed Forces or running Ukraine's government.
 

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That's absurd. After the first nuke(s) is/are dropped on it Ukraine would immediately capitulate.
So you completly dont get what Ukrainians thinks.
Talk to them and you'll understand there is NO SCENARIO fo capitulation even if Kiev is completly gone.

And by the way in that moment Russia is in war with at least Poland and NATO has a green light for clear space over Ukraine and to eliminate EVERY russian soldier from Ukrainian territory "to save civilian people". No one will object to that and russia know it and that why they even stop to scare with nuke scenario, its useless.

But of course they can and they propably will blow up Ukrainian nuclear power plant, they wont leave it in Ukrainian hands but its another story.
 

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Yesterday, according to French MoD, Ukranians are already receiving accelerated training on Mirage 2000.


Today, another interesting claim, Finland is in talks to supply fighter jets:


It seems they operate 55 F18.
 

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Yesterday, according to French MoD, Ukranians are already receiving accelerated training on Mirage 2000.


Today, another interesting claim, Finland is in talks to supply fighter jets:


It seems they operate 55 F18.
Mirage with SCALP 😎

Currently 30 Ukrainian pilots are training.The French have 90 Mirages.
 

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Russia using some low yield nukes in Ukraine is NATO’s wet dream. Such a reckless action would give them cover to offer any kind of offensive weapons to Ukraine, except for nukes,
But they already did.
You think they would do well if Turkey and India would stop trading with them?
Not so well but they'll still stand.

North Korea doesn't trade with anyone...
 

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But they already did.
There are still lots of weapons that Ukraine is aksing for and the West is not providing. They still didn’t get the ATACMS, fighter jets or cruise missiles.

Not so well but they'll still stand.

North Korea doesn't trade with anyone...
If you think Russian oligarchs would accept the lifestyle of North Koreans, you are mistaken. If Putin can’t deliver enough wealth for his oligarchs, they will replace him and try with someone else. He wouldn’t be the first Russian leader to die of unnatural causes.
 

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There are still lots of weapons that Ukraine is aksing for and the West is not providing. They still didn’t get the ATACMS, fighter jets or cruise missiles.
And then what ? these weapons will likely arrive before a hypothetical nuclear test by Russia in Ukraine.


If you think Russian oligarchs would accept the lifestyle of North Koreans, you are mistaken. If Putin can’t deliver enough wealth for his oligarchs, they will replace him and try with someone else. He wouldn’t be the first Russian leader to die of unnatural causes.

Its been a year of the war and I learn not to buy the hyper apocalyptic narrative of the West (and Russia). I was here when people were bracing for the rubbles to keep on falling, yet it stabilized, people has been waiting for Russian economy to fell as much as 20% yet it only fell by 2%. All the talks that Russian front will collapse by August last year didn't materialize nor did the prediction of Siloviki trying to start a revolt happened.

If anything I'm quite impressed with their resilience.

If NK and Iran can, Russia has all the means to do better. They're not only larger (by population), more sophisticated and happens to have more resource at hand.

Is not going to be comfortable but the they'll weather it from the look of it.
 

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We, ukrainians, have been in opposition to them since the Tatar-Mongol invasion of Kievan Rus (the first Ukrainian state) in the 13th century. Now there is a historic chance to end the Muscovite empire once and for all and liberate all the nations of Russian Federation from Moscow (in the hope that Russia Federation will continue its disintegration after the defeat in Ukraine)
 

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