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EU leaders approve delivery of one million shells to Ukraine


Ukraine will receive a million shells from the EU


The decision was made at the beginning of the week by the foreign ministers of the EU countries, now it has been approved by the leaders of these countries.


The leaders of the EU countries approved the program for the joint purchase of ammunition for Ukraine, previously approved at the level of foreign ministers of the participating countries. This was reported by the press service of the European Council.

“Taking into account the security and defense interests of all Member States, the European Council welcomes the agreement reached in the Council on the urgent supply of surface-to-surface and artillery ammunition to Ukraine, as well as, if required, missiles,” the message says.

EU leaders stressed that within the framework of this program, Ukraine will receive 1 million artillery ammunition over the next 12 months. It is planned that this delivery should not cause damage to the security and defense policy of the EU members themselves.
 

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We, ukrainians, have been in opposition to them since the Tatar-Mongol invasion of Kievan Rus (the first Ukrainian state) in the 13th century. Now there is a historic chance to end the Muscovite empire once and for all and liberate all the nations of Russian Federation from Moscow (in the hope that Russia Federation will continue its disintegration after the defeat in Ukraine)
We in Europe all hope you will be successful and defeat the Moscovite empire. We will help you as much as we can.
 

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A possible US presidential candidate called the war in Ukraine a "territorial dispute"

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DeSantis may be nominated as a presidential candidate instead of Trump

In his statement, DeSantis also criticized other Republicans committed to helping Ukraine.


The favorite of the Republican Party, a possible US presidential candidate in the 2024 elections, Ron DeSantis, rolled out a whole portion of anti-Ukrainian statements.

In an interview with ardent Ukrainophobe, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who has repeatedly insulted Zelensky and Ukrainians, DeSantis called the war in Ukraine a "territorial dispute."

In his opinion, military assistance in securing the borders of European countries is not in the interests of the United States, the New York Times quotes the words of a top Republican.


US military assistance in the war of Ukraine against Russia - the mood of the Americans

According to October opinion polls, 70% of Americans (both Republicans and Democrats) were still in favor of supporting Ukraine. The White House in its statements constantly emphasizes that the United States will support the resistance of the Ukrainians "for as long as it takes."

Republicans sympathizing with Trump began to put spokes in the wheels. Under the guise of demands for control over the sent weapons, the Trumpists are slowing down the allocation of new aid packages to Ukraine.

Moreover, Trump himself made sharp attacks against the financing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in his last speech he even stated that he would give Putin the opportunity to seize "parts of Ukraine."

Desantis clarifies on this from 32.30 - 37.30 :

 

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People who kept on dreaming that countries will fight long after a nuclear strike should look back at Japan. I don't think there's yet a more fanatical and ready to sacrifice people than the Japanese in WW2. Just 2 nuclear bomb is enough to force Japan into surrender.
 

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No offense but you've completely lost your marbles.

If Ukraine capitulates what will follow will be worse then nuclear strike.

The Russians will sweep the entire nation, within the first 6 months hundreds of thousands of patriotic/nationalist Ukrainians will be rounded up and executed. That means your father, your brothers or you sons could be taken away and murdered.

Hundreds of thousands of children maybe even millions will be abducted and sent into Russia where their will identities will be removed and they will be brainwashed to love Russia and in the future used as cannon fodder for the Russian empire.

While all this happening the whole sale rape of the women will take place, peoples mothers, their wives, their sisters and their daughters will be raped in front of them.

A nation wide process to eliminate the Ukrainian identity and history will take place, Ukraine will cease to exist and potentially may be turned into a complete non-entity the way Russia turned so many Muslims into. Maybe Ukraine will never surface again, the same way it took them a hundred years to completely erase the Crimean Khanate.

So if your happy watching your mothers, wives and daughters get raped in front of you by russian shitheads, then by all means capitulate. I hope the common Turk in Turkiye doesnt have this mindset, because all that seperates Turkiye from this same hell i just mentioned is one nuclear strike.

The Ukrainians won't capitulate and allow the Russians to erase this to their entire race. And lets be honest anyone would capitulate and accept this outcome is no man.

Its quite right to say if Russia stops killing the war ends, if Ukraine stops fighting Ukraine ceases to exist. These Russians are pure evil.
 

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People who kept on dreaming that countries will fight long after a nuclear strike should look back at Japan. I don't think there's yet a more fanatical and ready to sacrifice people than the Japanese in WW2. Just 2 nuclear bomb is enough to force Japan into surrender.
Japan want to surrender even without nukes
 

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People who kept on dreaming that countries will fight long after a nuclear strike should look back at Japan. I don't think there's yet a more fanatical and ready to sacrifice people than the Japanese in WW2. Just 2 nuclear bomb is enough to force Japan into surrender.
Japan lost the war and just needed a reason to finish it.
I dont think there is a SINGLE country who would capitulate while FIGHTING the war just because of some bombs. Its not in human nature to surrender when there is hope for a win.
And remember that right now nuclear bomb is nothing special. Same effects you can achieve with conventional weapons.
 

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Japan lost the war and just needed a reason to finish it.
I dont think there is a SINGLE country who would capitulate while FIGHTING the war just because of some bombs. Its not in human nature to surrender when there is hope for a win.
And remember that right now nuclear bomb is nothing special. Same effects you can achieve with conventional weapons.

Its what comes after thats important. If the Japanese knew surrendering meant that their entire cultural identity, independance and history would be completely erased by the americans, they wouldn't have surrendered either.

And what comes after a Russian occupation of Ukraine is very different to what came after the american conquest of Japan.
 

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Japan want to surrender even without nukes

yeah in general before the nukes the Japanese were considering to surrender, they were done as a fighting force. Nothing was going to stop america conquering that nation and their was no outside powers that could help sustain a war effort for Japan the same way nations are helping Ukraine too.

The nuance is highly important when we try to come away with conclusions.
 

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Japan want to surrender even without nukes
Nope, actually in traditional Japanese way of the time, they're planning to go down in fury. The Okinawa campaign is a just a glimpse of what the Japanese is planning to do on even a larger scale.

It was the realization that their cities could be picked up one by one with ease and not being able to at least try to hit back that finally convince them to surrender.

Its what comes after thats important. If the Japanese knew surrendering meant that their entire cultural identity, independance and history would be completely erased by the americans, they wouldn't have surrendered either.

And what comes after a Russian occupation of Ukraine is very different to what came after the american conquest of Japan.
The Japanese propaganda to its own population wrt the Americans is no different than the portrayal of Russia today, a barbaric enemy that is hell bent to subjugate you and erase whatever you deem precious.

2 nuclear bombs later....
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I dont think there is a SINGLE country who would capitulate while FIGHTING the war just because of some bombs. Its not in human nature to surrender when there is hope for a win.
Japan did. And its not part of the Japanese psyche at the time to even utter the word surrender.

In fact Ukraine "courage" is not even 1/10th of the suicidal courage that the Japanese showed during the war.
And remember that right now nuclear bomb is nothing special. Same effects you can achieve with conventional weapons.
not even the FOAB is close to the "low yield" nuclear bomb

FOAB is at 44T equivalent of TNT
Low yield nuke bomb is at 10KT equivalent of TNT

In fact Russia could theoretically solve their problem of over conserving their jet bomber fleet by sending one or two into a one way mission to bomb heavily defended cities.
 
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Nope, actually in traditional Japanese way of the time, they're planning to go down in fury. The Okinawa campaign is a just a glimpse of what the Japanese is planning to do on even a larger scale.

It was the realization that their cities could be picked up one by one with ease and not being able to at least try to hit back that finally convince them to surrender.


The Japanese propaganda to its own population wrt the Americans is no different than to portrayal of Russia today, a barbaric enemy that is hell bent to subjugate you and erase whatever you deem precious.

2 nuclear bombs later....
Photo%20884.jpg


Japan did. And its not part of the Japanese psyche at the time to even utter the word surrender.

In fact Ukraine "courage" is not even 1/10th of the suicidal courage that the Japanese showed during the war.

not even the FOAB is close to the "low yield" nuclear bomb

FOAB is at 44T equivalent of TNT
Low yield nuke bomb is at 10KT equivalent of TNT

In fact Russia could theoretically solve their problem of over conserving their jet bomber fleet by sending one or two into a one way mission to bomb heavily defended cities.

respectfully disagree. I don't see Ukraine surrendering after a nuclear strike.

secondly the atom bomb cemented americas positions as the number one power. Russians dropping nukes on Ukraine will not cement her position it will only elevate global hostilities and increase support for Ukraine.

Their really not the same thing Americans doing to Japan and Russians doing to Ukraine.
 

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People who kept on dreaming that countries will fight long after a nuclear strike should look back at Japan. I don't think there's yet a more fanatical and ready to sacrifice people than the Japanese in WW2. Just 2 nuclear bomb is enough to force Japan into surrender.
can you imagine, if japan also had nuclear weapons that time. you have nuclear weapons not only to use it, but as bargaining power, its balancing the power.
 

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secondly the atom bomb cemented americas positions as the number one power. Russians dropping nukes on Ukraine will not cement her position it will only elevate global hostilities and increase support for Ukraine.

The very reason why Russia would use nuke is the fact that increased support for Ukraine has and will eradicate their conventional superiority in the first place...hence the (likely) use of nuclear bombs.
Their really not the same thing Americans doing to Japan and Russians doing to Ukraine.
But the effect will be the very same.
 

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The very reason why Russia would use nuke is the fact that increased support for Ukraine has and will eradicate their conventional superiority in the first place...hence the (likely) use of nuclear bombs.

But the effect will be the very same.

I dont think so. Using nuclear weapons on Ukraine will set a chain reaction off that geopolitically will cost Russia in the long term.

For starters dropping a nuke on Ukraine will not end the war. Ukraine has the material backing of much of the west and as well as other nations of the world. Japan was done in world war 2 and no great powers were coming to their material aid. Surrender was the better option for the japanese and they took it with open arms, surrender for the Ukrainians is not the better option.

Dropping a nuke will lead to further isolation, it will lead to nations supporting Ukraine harder, but it will also lead to most nations bordering Russia acquiring their own nuclear arsenal to counter the russian threat.

I see no positive angle for Russia using a nuke on Ukraine. Its a losing proposition and its for good reason after a year of complete failure in Ukraine they have not used one. And keep in mind Russia is one of the most morally bankrupt nations on earth, they have not used nuclear weapons out of the goodness of their character, they also understand that it comes with big big repercussions.

Morally speaking i would wish they never do such a thing, but geopolitically speaking if they did ever do such a thing well its good business for most nations since it will escalate the downfall of Russia quicker.
 

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respectfully disagree. I don't see Ukraine surrendering after a nuclear strike.

secondly the atom bomb cemented americas positions as the number one power. Russians dropping nukes on Ukraine will not cement her position it will only elevate global hostilities and increase support for Ukraine.

Their really not the same thing Americans doing to Japan and Russians doing to Ukraine.

Agree 100%.

What is not being commented here is, the first use of the nuclear bomb had a context of finishing a war/wars where their forerunners where imperialistic countries that invaded and occupied others lands.
The use of the nuclear weapon is always accompanied by a lot of diplomacy with allies and other countries. Is good to remember to good forists who doesn't have this context to read about Postdam conference to understand the diplomacy behind this:


-Russia just entered in war with Japan, and probably wanting to use it by themselves once they got it.
-China was invaded by Japan.
-Europe had been liberated with the help of USA and waiting for a Marshall plan.
-Japan is an island, so side radioactive effects would be much weaker for neighbors than in other parts in the world.

It's obvious that the action of dropping the bombs and the bad effects about the narrative were countered by the context and diplomacy.

After it the UN was founded and the permanent members of the security council are all Nuclear powers, intended to give some control/ruling to the hipothetical use of this new weapon. The result was no one use it more than in tests in 77 years.

So let an imperialistic country to launch any kind of nuclear weapon against a neighbor which had been invaded by them, the catastrophic consecuences for that country would be much worse than the resulting blast, just because it is setting a precedent where you can use a nuclear bomb in an offensive way, so it would let China in a bad position against USA having much less nuclear weapons, plunging the world into economic chaos and global trade, totally contrary to China's interests.

The teaser isn't in a Kubric movie, is here:

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Some people speaks in a context were Russia is the only one having nuclear weapons, there are 9 countries with nuclear weapons, and the effects would be worldwide in several contexts. Use it in the battlefield today is nonsense, unless you had been invaded by others and you have the favor of the other world nations.

We are going to see more nuclear narratives once RU is running out of steam in Bakhmut, Vuhledar, Kreminha, etc... and April is coming. Let's keep calm.
 
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