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any videos?
pictures right now, i will see if i can find the video.


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Edit: https://news-kiev.ru/society/2023/05/16/154872.html link to video and the highlights of the hits.

Edit2: I thought it was BS and volley of Ukrainian SAMs hit all their targets until moments later there were 2 bright flashes in the video of where the SAM was originally at indicating something must have exploded, if this was Kyiv being targeted than we can sort of narrow down the probability of which SAMs got whacked.
 
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The Geran/shahed is another hyped up weapons like Kinzhal. I remember people hyping up its low cost and long range back then most notably among many pro-Iran internet users that fantasized how the Shahid could overcome all middle eastern air defense by numbers alone.

Ukraine war really shows the truth to the public all the hype that comes with these hype weapons.

Maybe theres a reason why Iran stops at the Shahed supply and not the Khorramshahr missile.
 

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In the last two weeks, and in particular the last couple days, the likelihood of Ukraine eventually receiving F-16 has grown significantly. UK, France, Belgium and Netherlands, in addition to the US (which has allocated funding for it a long time ago), have now agreed to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16. No government has yet stated that it is willing to provide their F-16s to Ukraine, in fact most are saying they don't have any available, but I expect this will be figured out once the time is right.

 

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supposedly the kinzhal missile that got intercepted which isnt the same size.
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Reports of Patriots getting destroyed.
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And as everyone knows 95% of Bakhmut is captured by Wagner.

The image of the moments when the Kinzhal hypersonic missile hit the Patriot missile defense system was shared.

US assessing potential damage of Patriot missile defense system following Russian attack near Kyiv​


 

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@Gary looks like one of the patriot batteries has been hit. (partially) This is getting really interesting!

Dozens Of Interceptors Fired As Kyiv Faced Most Complex Barrage Yet​

Russia is throwing everything it’s got at Kyiv and Ukraine’s new Patriot batteries, which are likely the top targets, are responding in kind.


In an air defense response that lit up the night sky over Kyiv, Ukrainian officials say they downed all 18 missiles fired, including six Kh-47 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles, nine Kalibr sea-launched cruise missiles and three ground-launched missiles, as well as several drones. The Russian Defense Ministry (MoD) meanwhile claimed that a Kinzhal struck one of two U.S.-provided MIM-104 Patriot missile systems in the latest attack against that air defense system.
“The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation launched a combined attack with long-range precision-guided air- and sea-based weapons against the AFU units, as well as depots of ammunition, weapons, and military equipment supplied by Western countries,” the Russian MoD claimed on its Telegram channel. "The goal of the attack has been reached. All the assigned targets have been neutralized. U.S.-manufactured Patriot surface-to-air missile system has been struck by Kinzhal hypersonic glide vehicle in Kyiv.”

It's worth noting that Kinzhal is not a hypersonic glide vehicle at all, it's an air-launched variant of the Iskander-M short-range ballistic missile with hypersonic endgame performance. Hypersonic glide vehicles are an entirely different category of weapon. Whether this was simply wrong information or an anomaly of the translation is unclear.


In an apparent response to the Russian claim that drips with snark, but offers no direct denial, the Ukrainian MoD Tweeted out that the Russian MoD's "press service is more powerful than most countries' armies. Russia doesn't even need an army to conquer the entire world; its state media and MoD spokesperson konashenkov [sic] are more than adequate."


Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine’s defense minister, said Russia’s claims were “pure propaganda and pure lies,” according to the Financial Times newspaper.
The Russian claim comes after video emerged showing dozens of what appear to be Patriot air defense interceptors launched at objects over Kyiv.



There were also unsubstantiated claims that a flash of light near where the SAMs originated as observed in the video was the result of a strike or possibly an interceptor malfunction, but we just don't know at this point exactly what happened.


Images also emerged on social media claiming to show remnants of a Patriot PAC-3 CRI interceptor.

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The War Zone is unable to independently verify either image, although the Patriot PAC-3 CRI does look very much like the missile shown.
The Ukrainian Air Force did not immediately comment on Russia's claim about the Patriot being hit, but said that around 3:30 A.M. on May 16, 2023, “the Russian invaders attacked Ukraine from the north, south, and east with 18 missiles of various types, air, sea, and land-based.”
That attack included “six Kh-47M2 ‘Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles” launched from six MiG-31K Foxhound heavy interceptors, nine Kalibr cruise missiles launched from ships in the Black Sea, and three land-based missiles including the S-400 air defense missile and the Iskander-M short-range ballistic missile.
“All missiles were destroyed by the forces and means of air defense of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” the Ukrainian Air Force reported on its Telegram channel Tuesday.
“In addition, on the night of May 16, the enemy attacked with attack drones of the Shahed-136/131 type, and also conducted aerial reconnaissance with three operational-tactical drones - ‘Orlan-10,’ ‘SuperCam.’ All - destroyed!”

We reached out to the Ukrainian Air Force, its spokesman as well as the Pentagon for responses. We will update this story with any information provided.
Last night’s barrage follows one last week in which Ukraine claims to have downed a Kinzhal with a Patriot interceptor. You can read more about that here.

Last night’s barrage was the “eighth air attack on Kyiv since the beginning of May!” Serhii Popko, head of the Kyiv City Military Administration, also known by its Ukrainian acronym, KMVA, wrote on the organization’s Telegram channel Tuesday. “This time, the enemy launched a complex attack from different directions simultaneously, using UAVs, cruise missiles and probably ballistic missiles. It was exceptional in its density - the maximum number of attacking missiles in the shortest period of time.”
KMVA said that according to preliminary information, “the vast majority of enemy targets in the airspace of Kyiv were detected and destroyed! Data on the number and type of missiles will soon be reported by the Air Force.”

“Previously, the fall of debris was recorded in Solomyansky, Shevchenkivskyi, Svyatoshynskyi, Obolonskyi and Darnytskyi districts of the capital. The biggest damage was in the Solomyansk district - there was a fire in a non-residential building and several units of automobile equipment.”
The fire has been extinguished, KMVA reported.
“In the rest of the districts, the damage is not significant - in most of them it was found that debris fell on parked cars, the adjacent territory or the forest park zone. At the moment, there is no information about the victims! Operational summary data is collected and refined. We thank our Air Defense Forces for saving the lives of Kyivans!"


 
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Well, it's official. Britain and the Netherlands will build / lead a coalition of countries to provide F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine. The news was announced after British and French statements that they will begin training Ukrainian fighter pilots this summer.


I wouldn't be expecting the transfer of F-16s to happen in time for the spring / summer offensive, but I would be surprised if the first ones aren't delivered by the end of the year. Some of the countries that I expect to see join the coalition include...

Britain (who will purchase them third party aircraft)
Netherlands
Norway
Belgium
Denmark
Poland
United States

I don't expect substantial numbers to start off with. Two squadrons, totaling 24 total, would be an good initial target number. The question then becomes about what models, with what upgrades, avionics, radar, etc that Ukraine is sent. I imagine they'll be given a full compliment of weapons to use.
 

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Footage of battles from the front line near Bakhmut, where the Ukrainians are advancing. One Russian soldier blew himself up on his own grenade to avoid being taken prisoner. Another Russian soldier is told that he is guaranteed life under the Geneva Convention. He can choose one of two things: 1) stay in Ukraine until the end of the war, 2) leave for Russia as part of the persons to be exchanged prisoners of war

 

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Well, it's official. Britain and the Netherlands will build / lead a coalition of countries to provide F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine. The news was announced after British and French statements that they will begin training Ukrainian fighter pilots this summer.


I wouldn't be expecting the transfer of F-16s to happen in time for the spring / summer offensive, but I would be surprised if the first ones aren't delivered by the end of the year. Some of the countries that I expect to see join the coalition include...

Britain (who will purchase them third party aircraft)
Netherlands
Norway
Belgium
Denmark
Poland
United States

I don't expect substantial numbers to start off with. Two squadrons, totaling 24 total, would be an good initial target number. The question then becomes about what models, with what upgrades, avionics, radar, etc that Ukraine is sent. I imagine they'll be given a full compliment of weapons to use.

It always felt like it was just a matter of time. Its just a shame the Ukrainians can't just get enough of exactly what they need to end the war quickly and decisively. It always has to be drip fed to them.
 

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@Gary looks like one of the patriot batteries has been hit. (partially) This is getting really interesting!

Dozens Of Interceptors Fired As Kyiv Faced Most Complex Barrage Yet​

Russia is throwing everything it’s got at Kyiv and Ukraine’s new Patriot batteries, which are likely the top targets, are responding in kind.


In an air defense response that lit up the night sky over Kyiv, Ukrainian officials say they downed all 18 missiles fired, including six Kh-47 Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles, nine Kalibr sea-launched cruise missiles and three ground-launched missiles, as well as several drones. The Russian Defense Ministry (MoD) meanwhile claimed that a Kinzhal struck one of two U.S.-provided MIM-104 Patriot missile systems in the latest attack against that air defense system.
“The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation launched a combined attack with long-range precision-guided air- and sea-based weapons against the AFU units, as well as depots of ammunition, weapons, and military equipment supplied by Western countries,” the Russian MoD claimed on its Telegram channel. "The goal of the attack has been reached. All the assigned targets have been neutralized. U.S.-manufactured Patriot surface-to-air missile system has been struck by Kinzhal hypersonic glide vehicle in Kyiv.”

It's worth noting that Kinzhal is not a hypersonic glide vehicle at all, it's an air-launched variant of the Iskander-M short-range ballistic missile with hypersonic endgame performance. Hypersonic glide vehicles are an entirely different category of weapon. Whether this was simply wrong information or an anomaly of the translation is unclear.


In an apparent response to the Russian claim that drips with snark, but offers no direct denial, the Ukrainian MoD Tweeted out that the Russian MoD's "press service is more powerful than most countries' armies. Russia doesn't even need an army to conquer the entire world; its state media and MoD spokesperson konashenkov [sic] are more than adequate."


Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine’s defense minister, said Russia’s claims were “pure propaganda and pure lies,” according to the Financial Times newspaper.
The Russian claim comes after video emerged showing dozens of what appear to be Patriot air defense interceptors launched at objects over Kyiv.



There were also unsubstantiated claims that a flash of light near where the SAMs originated as observed in the video was the result of a strike or possibly an interceptor malfunction, but we just don't know at this point exactly what happened.


Images also emerged on social media claiming to show remnants of a Patriot PAC-3 CRI interceptor.

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The War Zone is unable to independently verify either image, although the Patriot PAC-3 CRI does look very much like the missile shown.
The Ukrainian Air Force did not immediately comment on Russia's claim about the Patriot being hit, but said that around 3:30 A.M. on May 16, 2023, “the Russian invaders attacked Ukraine from the north, south, and east with 18 missiles of various types, air, sea, and land-based.”
That attack included “six Kh-47M2 ‘Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles” launched from six MiG-31K Foxhound heavy interceptors, nine Kalibr cruise missiles launched from ships in the Black Sea, and three land-based missiles including the S-400 air defense missile and the Iskander-M short-range ballistic missile.
“All missiles were destroyed by the forces and means of air defense of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” the Ukrainian Air Force reported on its Telegram channel Tuesday.
“In addition, on the night of May 16, the enemy attacked with attack drones of the Shahed-136/131 type, and also conducted aerial reconnaissance with three operational-tactical drones - ‘Orlan-10,’ ‘SuperCam.’ All - destroyed!”

We reached out to the Ukrainian Air Force, its spokesman as well as the Pentagon for responses. We will update this story with any information provided.
Last night’s barrage follows one last week in which Ukraine claims to have downed a Kinzhal with a Patriot interceptor. You can read more about that here.

Last night’s barrage was the “eighth air attack on Kyiv since the beginning of May!” Serhii Popko, head of the Kyiv City Military Administration, also known by its Ukrainian acronym, KMVA, wrote on the organization’s Telegram channel Tuesday. “This time, the enemy launched a complex attack from different directions simultaneously, using UAVs, cruise missiles and probably ballistic missiles. It was exceptional in its density - the maximum number of attacking missiles in the shortest period of time.”
KMVA said that according to preliminary information, “the vast majority of enemy targets in the airspace of Kyiv were detected and destroyed! Data on the number and type of missiles will soon be reported by the Air Force.”

“Previously, the fall of debris was recorded in Solomyansky, Shevchenkivskyi, Svyatoshynskyi, Obolonskyi and Darnytskyi districts of the capital. The biggest damage was in the Solomyansk district - there was a fire in a non-residential building and several units of automobile equipment.”
The fire has been extinguished, KMVA reported.
“In the rest of the districts, the damage is not significant - in most of them it was found that debris fell on parked cars, the adjacent territory or the forest park zone. At the moment, there is no information about the victims! Operational summary data is collected and refined. We thank our Air Defense Forces for saving the lives of Kyivans!"


Interesting enough many of the launches are seen from among populated areas with tall buildings all over it. Russia's HUMINT assets in Kyiv must be really active spying on this thing.
 

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Interesting enough many of the launches are seen from among populated areas with tall buildings all over it. Russia's HUMINT assets in Kyiv must be really active spying on this thing.
You can't hide launcher in 4 mln ppl city that need to protect that city. They need to move it but they can't do nothing about hiding it.
 

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You can't hide launcher in 4 mln ppl city that need to protect that city. They need to move it but they can't do nothing about hiding it.
İs it possible that those kinjdals had anti-radiaton seekers? İ wonder if launchers were hit or the searching radar?


Another interesting news.

Could Ukraine transform those mig&21s into unmanned platforms/ cruise missiles?
During the communist regime, Romania had around 400 MiG-21s. The current number is confidential, but unofficial estimates say it now stands at around 25.
 
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Clandestine U.K. Program Developed 3D-Printed ‘Suicide’ Drone For Ukraine​

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It seems some parts of the Patriot system were located at Sikorsky International Airport, which makes sense as the airport is closed to the public and it's likely a good place for hidding/operating it.


Yeah, in the middle of Kyiv would be nearly impossible to hide them, it would be full of RU agents, sending coordinates of everything, that's why some teenagers were charged with good fines for publishing AD related videos, they need to close the noose on the agents.

My guess is following the comments from both sides, a part of the battery has ben hit by sharpnel or a nearby missile explosion targetting the airport.


 

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US will send to Poland 8 Apaches
And what that means is that soon we will be able to send to Ukraine our remaining MI 24s (in TERRIBLE shape but maybe Ukraine will still use them for parts or something)
 

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US officials say damage to Patriot missile defense system was minimal following Russian attack near Kyiv​


The damage to a Patriot air defense system following a Russian missile attack near Kyiv on Tuesday morning is minimal, three US officials tell CNN, with one official describing it as “minor” damage.

The US sent inspectors to examine the system on Tuesday after being told by Ukrainian forces that the system appeared to have been damaged, one official said.

The system itself is still operational, the officials said, and the radar component of the Patriot, one of its most important elements, was not damaged. US officials do not believe the Patriot will need to be removed from the battlefield for repairs.

 
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