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New USA 🇺🇸 $375 million aid package for Ukraine has been announced. It's clearly a package to support an offensive.

- Additional GMLRS for HIMARS.
- Additional 155mm shells.
- Additional TOW missiles for Bradleys.
- Additional Javelin anti-armor systems.
- Additional AT-4 anti-armor systems l.
- Armoured medical vehicles.
- Bridging equioment.
- Trucks and trailers to transport heavy equipment.
- Thermal imaging equipment.
- Spare parts and field equipment.

Again, the USA delivering the critical ammunition amd anti-armor weaponry that has been devastating the Russian armor and forcing them to pull their Soviet era stuff out of storage.

 

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The General Dynamics F111C was retired by Australia in 2010.

What makes it wasteful we are burying them in the Australian outback.

Bring them out of retirement and send them to Ukraine.

Modernise them with new weapons systems and gives them a nice strike capability against the Russians.
 

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Sweden 🇸🇪 has finished training a Ukrainian mechanized brigade on the use of CV9040 IFVs, Leopard 2A5 MBTs and Archer, 155mm self-propelled howitzers.

The Ukrainian brigade will features 50 CV90 IFVs, 10 Leopar 2A5 MBTs and 8 Archer, 155mm self-propelled howitzers, all of which have been provided by the Swedes. They'll likely get additional artillery systems from a 3rd party, as well as additional Leopard 2 MBTs, in order to complete the brigade.
 
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From 95% to 100% congratulations Wagner for capturing Bakhmut (y). I am hearing that Avdeevka is next the city for Wagner.
 

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From 95% to 100% congratulations Wagner for capturing Bakhmut (y). I am hearing that Avdeevka is next the city for Wagner.
If that's the case, I guess we'll see you when you check in 8+ months from now then!

That sounds like 50,000 more Russian casualties, hundreds of MBTs, IFVs and Artillery systems and a couple more million, quickly depleting Russian artillery shells... All to take another city with no strategic importance to the outcome of the war. Another city that cannot even be held, rather it will simply be leveled and turned into a ghost town, like Mariupol and Bakhmut.
 
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That sounds like 50,000 more Russian casualties,
than that means Wagner is wiped out since they were the only ones fighting in Bakhmut and their units in the operation only number 40k-50k so why isnt Bakhmut taken right now by Ukraine? I am seeing a pattern on this forum and other western forums of when Ukraine gets their ass kicked people will go for the wunderwaffle western weapons Ukraine will receive but we shall pray that they perform better than the Patriots.
 

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than that means Wagner is wiped out since they were the only ones fighting in Bakhmut and their units in the operation only number 40k-50k so why isnt Bakhmut taken right now by Ukraine? I am seeing a pattern on this forum and other western forums of when Ukraine gets their ass kicked people will go for the wunderwaffle western weapons Ukraine will receive but we shall pray that they perform better than the Patriots.
Lol Patriot has performed incredibly well. You notice how there has been a near 100% interception in the Kyiv region as of late? Patriot is the primary reason for that. Also, it was responsible for part of the disaster that was 4 Russian aircraft getting smoked in the Bryansk region a few days ago. With so few launchers in theatre, Patriot is performing exactly as expected.

Let me ask you this. Why is Ukraine able to strike Russian rear positions with soon-to-be retired Storm Shadow missiles, with impunity. Where are the vaunted S-300 and S-400 air defense systems to shoot those old cruise missiles down?

Also, if you don't understand how Wagner getting bogged down in Bakhmut for 8+ months, chewing through valuable equipment and ammunition, isn't a major problem, I can't help you. And no, Wagner is not the only Russian force fighting in and around the city. The regular army has been and continues to be, responsible for flanks of the city. Ukraine has made greater advancement on the flanks of Bakhmut in one week, than Wagner did in the city itself, in 4 months. Wagner is exhausted and badly needs to re-fit and be resupplied. Given that they are Russia's only capable offensive force, their losses in Bakhmut and Ukraine's 8+ month stand, will be one of the most significant events in the war, when all is said and done.

The West just keeps on boiling the frog that is Russia. As Russian supplies dwindle and they start pulling T-62s and T-55s out of storage, the West is enhancing supply chains and making major investments in their own industry, to ensure that Ukraine has what it needs to repel the Russians. It's only getting worse for Russia, as they continue to lose irreplaceable systems, pilots and leadership, while previously neutral countries like Japan, South Korea and Switzerland lean closer and closer to providing meaningful military aid to Ukraine, or at the very least, backfilling Western partners who send their own equipment.
 
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Lol Patriot has performed incredibly well. You notice how there has been a near 100% interception in the Kyiv region as of late? Patriot is the primary reason for that. Also, it was responsible for part of the disaster that was 4 Russian aircraft getting smoked in the Bryansk region a few days ago. With so few launchers in theatre, Patriot is performing exactly as expected.

Let me ask you this. Why is Ukraine able to strike Russian rear positions with soon-to-be retired Storm Shadow missiles, with impunity. Where are the vaunted S-300 and S-400 air defense systems to shoot those old cruise missiles down?

Also, if you don't understand how Wagner getting bogged down in Bakhmut for 8+ months, chewing through valuable equipment and ammunition, isn't a major problem, I can't help you. And no, Wagner is not the only Russian force fighting in and around the city. The regular army has been and continues to be, responsible for flanks of the city. Ukraine has made greater advancement on the flanks of Bakhmut in one week, than Wagner did in the city itself, in 4 months. Wagner is exhausted and badly needs to re-fit and be resupplied. Given that they are Russia's only capable offensive force, their losses in Bakhmut and Ukraine's 8+ month stand, will be one of the most significant events in the war, when all is said and done.

The West just keeps on boiling the frog that is Russia. As Russian supplies dwindle and they start pulling T-62s and T-55s out of storage, the West is enhancing supply chains and making major investments in their own industry, to ensure that Ukraine has what it needs to repel the Russians. It's only getting worse for Russia, as they continue to lose irreplaceable systems, pilots and leadership, while previously neutral countries like Japan, South Korea and Switzerland lean closer and closer to providing meaningful military aid to Ukraine, or at the very least, backfilling Western partners who send their own equipment.

You are quite influenced by western sources, if you check some russian forums or news you will see quite the opposite, that tons of weapons are being destroyed and ukraine is losing tons of people, and one patriot has also been destroyed.
While western sources claim nothing is destroyed they intercept 100% of everything blabla.
Of course there is no proof neither for Russian claims nor Western claims, but the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Surely you can't be so ignorant to believe all the claims on western sources, how ukraine is destroying everything and killing tens of thousands and not losing anything while Russians keep losing tons of equipment and manpower..
Didn't the western sources say Russia will run out of missiles in April last year?
Come on man, be serious.
In war propaganda is one of the most cruical things, doing everything to make your side look the best and your weapons the best, so maybe start seeing things in a more objective manner and not believe everything you read from either source.
 

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You are quite influenced by western sources, if you check some russian forums or news you will see quite the opposite, that tons of weapons are being destroyed and ukraine is losing tons of people, and one patriot has also been destroyed.
While western sources claim nothing is destroyed they intercept 100% of everything blabla.
Of course there is no proof neither for Russian claims nor Western claims, but the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Surely you can't be so ignorant to believe all the claims on western sources, how ukraine is destroying everything and killing tens of thousands and not losing anything while Russians keep losing tons of equipment and manpower..
Didn't the western sources say Russia will run out of missiles in April last year?
Come on man, be serious.
In war propaganda is one of the most cruical things, doing everything to make your side look the best and your weapons the best, so maybe start seeing things in a more objective manner and not believe everything you read from either source.
I'm completely aware that Ukraine is suffering immensely in this war and that they are losing tons of men, resources and equipment. That isn't lost on me at all. I'm also fully aware that Western propaganda and Russian propaganda are clashing in extreme fashion.

But time and resources are on Ukraine's side, not Russia's. Ukraine is fully invested in this war and has millions of men to draw from for combat. In order for Russia to replicate that, they eould need full, general mobilization, something that their country has no stomach for right now. It's incredibly difficult to advance against a foe with similar capabilities. If you think for a second that Russia hasn't suffered thousands of WIA and KIA in their advance of Bakhmut, I can't help you. Historically, assaulting forces expect about a 3-to-1 attrition rate when on the offensive. You can assume that for every 1000 soldiers lost around Bakhmut that Russia lost about 3000. That's just how war works. That has nothing to with bias.

As for your claim that The Patriot Battery in Kyiv was destroyed, I'd ask you for some evidence? What did the missile hit? Did it destroy the system's radar? Did it destroy multiple launchers, located KMs apart? You have to provide me with something technical and evidence based. Watching a missile hit something, from afar, tells us nothing. The system could have easily had a component damaged, without the system being destroyed entirely. Unless you're going to tell me that 1 non-nuclear missile took out the multiple launch batteries located all over the city.

I'm happy to have a military conversation with you if you'd like. I'm not operating under any delusion that Ukraine isn't experiencing substantial attrition as well. The problem for Russia is that there is a 50+ country coalition backing Ukraine, with the explicit goal of seeing Russia lose. Meanwhile, Russian support is from some 3rd world countries that can barely offer Russia any capability that they don't already have. Russia is largely fighting this war like it's 1945.

As for the idea that Russia was going to run out of missiles, who said that? Journalists? Ukraine?... I never once heard the American Government, the British Government or the German Government say anything of the sort. Listen to official sources that are involved in the war, not random news outlets that have no idea of Russia's actual stockpile. This is what we do know about missiles though. Russia is getting low on their best ones. How do we know? Because they've significantly reduced the number of accurate Caliber and Iskander cruise missiles it uses, and is forced to use old KH series missiles and S300 missiles (in ground attack mode). Russia is losing territory in the grand scheme of things, all while their volleys of missiles continue to be less effective and numerous. That smells deeply of a country that is running out of time to make substantial gains, as their key resources dwindle.

Lastly, this is how you know the war isn't going well for Russia. Over the last year, they've lost exponentially more land than they've gained, all while exhausting extensive resources and manpower and replacing it with terribly trained soldiers (by all accounts) and Soviet era armored vehicles that are getting increasingly shitty in quality. They're actively sending T-62 MBTs to the front lines to plug the holes left by the destruction of hundreds of their best tanks.

Happy to engage in any kind of conversation you want to have!
 

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You are quite influenced by western sources, if you check some russian forums or news you will see quite the opposite, that tons of weapons are being destroyed and ukraine is losing tons of people, and one patriot has also been destroyed.
While western sources claim nothing is destroyed they intercept 100% of everything blabla.
Of course there is no proof neither for Russian claims nor Western claims, but the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Surely you can't be so ignorant to believe all the claims on western sources, how ukraine is destroying everything and killing tens of thousands and not losing anything while Russians keep losing tons of equipment and manpower..
Didn't the western sources say Russia will run out of missiles in April last year?
Come on man, be serious.
In war propaganda is one of the most cruical things, doing everything to make your side look the best and your weapons the best, so maybe start seeing things in a more objective manner and not believe everything you read from either source.
I'm on several RU telegram channels and UKR ones, I don't know from where your sources are coming, and despite the western free statements, that everyone is from a country and culture, I really want to know from were those claimed arguments are coming from.

Every day we see visual confirmed loses, and those doesn't care about from what type of camera have been taken, just the war markings, and I believe, you should know better than me that from the start of the war, UKR had a few days were their loses have been bigger than RU loses, so I want to keep thinking you are speaking about the same war the topic describes.

Man, please, just check the dates, and tell us something we don't know to support your arguments:

 

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