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What makes it wasteful we are burying them in the Australian outback.

Bring them out of retirement and send them to Ukraine.

Modernise them with new weapons systems and gives them a nice strike capability against the Russians.

All jokes aside, even if they were mothballed properly and kept in reserve etc... and were in a ready state to be brought back up to scratch (and donated to UKR)....

It still would be far too expensive to use pilot resources, operate and support them relative to what Ukraine needs in much more urgent priority.

i.e X amount of money doing F-111 pilot training + operation + pilot use + support would be far better spent on other things given ranges and overall pressing needs we are talking about here for Ukraine (that can be projected this year, next and forseeable future)...especially given platform scarcity and uniqueness.

F-16s really are much better "multi-tool" in comparison...at cheaper cost (and economy of scale still in operation with a large amount of airforces to support as they see fit to).

Its unfortunate for Ukraine though that in 2014 - 2022 period, NATO didn't help develop a core EW capability for Ukraine AF that would have maximised any F-16s SEAD and DEAD. NATO can only do so much from operating assets outside Ukraine airspace.

NATO completely underestimated the chance of this war to begin with...and squandered a huge amount of time and capacity development that could have been backfilled more optimally now if such a war did break out. Most things were done adhoc way now shooting from the hip.

Russian performance (in both strategic and tactical level) failure of course is predominant feature that has somewhat blanketed the NATO miscalculation.
 

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Russia says it has captured Bakhmut, but the Russian forces are now so weak that the Ukrainians are encircling them and locking them in a cauldron.

It is reminiscent of perhaps the most spectacular battle on the Eastern Front during the Second World War, the Battle of Stalingrad.

This is what Berlingske's foreign correspondent and military historian Poul Høi says:

  • In 1942 Hitler pushed to take Stalingrad, primarily for symbolic reasons, and by November 1942 the German Sixth Army had captured most of the city and was celebrating victory.
  • But the German forces had fought half to the death along the way, and on 19 November the Red Army launched a counter-offensive, "Operation Uranus".
"They surrounded the Germans, who inside Stalingrad did not have the strength to break out of the cauldron. The result was a disaster. The symbolic German victory became an epic defeat, which President Putin and his regime celebrate every year with full nationalist fanfare,' says Poul Høi:

"Now it seems that he himself has walked into a Stalingrad trap in Bakhmut, which he wanted to conquer at all costs for symbolic reasons."



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As you know, the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut has been the setting for the bloodiest and longest battles during the war. Now Russia claims to be in a moment of triumph.
Photo: Ukrainian Armed Forces/Reuters/Ritzau Scanpix.


Equally epic​

The Ukrainians are encircling Vladimir Putin's exhausted soldiers in Bakhmut.

If they can do what the Red Army did in 1942, the result will be similarly epic, Berlingske's correspondent estimates.

As you know, the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut has been the setting for the bloodiest and longest battles during the war.

All indications are that the Ukrainian city is now actually under Russian control. Officially, Ukraine claims that it still holds its ground in the southwesternmost corner.

But Ukrainian military sources also acknowledge in local media that they have escaped the last of the high-rises that have constituted their most important military positions in the city in recent months, as Berlingske's security policy correspondent, Simon Kruse, writes in an analysis .

 

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Ukraine's Defense Minister published a letter in Russian and Bashkir titled "What are Bashkirs fighting for?" - urging Bashkirs and their leaders to stop fighting a war that is not in their interests. Russia disproportionately uses minorities while avoiding sending Russians from Moscow and St. Petersburg to die in Ukraine.

https://ru.interfax.com.ua/news/blog/911795.html - translated below with Google, hidden via spoiler since its long.

During military service, one of my best army comrades was a Bashkir. The other day I was looking at the statistics of the losses of the Russian occupation troops in Ukraine. This prompted the writing of this text - a kind of appeal to my friend and the entire Bashkir people.

I am the Minister of Defense of Ukraine. Today, my task is to create conditions for the Ukrainian defense forces to effectively destroy the enemies of my country. Including the Bashkirs, if they are part of the army of the Russian occupiers.

But in the current situation, I see a reason to think for the real leaders of the Bashkir people - one of the most numerous in Russia.
The Republic of Bashkortostan ranks 7th in terms of population among the subjects of the Russian Federation and 10th in terms of GRP.
However, at the end of 2022, the region was in 20th place in terms of quality of life and in the third ten in terms of family well-being. And this is against the background of abnormally high incomes of the Russian Federation from the sale of oil and petroleum products.

After the introduction of sanctions against the oil sector of the Russian Federation, the situation for the residents of Bashkortostan will worsen significantly.

At the same time, according to Russian data, I emphasize - not Ukrainian, but Russian, Bashkiria shares the 4th-5th place among all regions of the Russian Federation in terms of the number of soldiers of the Kremlin's occupying army killed in Ukraine. And it ranks first in the Volga Federal District. The deadweight losses for 4 months of 2023 have already significantly exceeded the number for the whole of 2022.

The number of dead, missing or disabled is in the thousands. You know this better than me.
The question arises: why are the Bashkirs dying in Ukraine - far from their homes?
Are the Ukrainians the enemies of the Bashkirs? No.
Are Ukrainians trampling on the civil, national and cultural rights of the Bashkirs? No.
Ukrainians interfere with the development of the Bashkir language? No.
Ukrainians encroach on the historical lands of the Bashkirs? No.
Do Ukrainians appropriate the wealth that the land of the Bashkirs gives? Also no.
All this is done by other people. And they do not live in Ukraine.
And in Moscow.

Maybe the Bashkirs are fighting so that the fictitious "Ukrainian Nazism", which is broadcast on Russian television, does not take root in Ufa, Sterlitamak or Salavat? I'll give you an analogy.

One of the most prominent figures of the Bashkir people is Akhmet-Zaki Validi Togan. A well-known historian, orientalist, leader of the national liberation movement. Which the Bolsheviks forced to leave their native land, live in exile for half a century and die in a foreign land.

In Soviet times, they tried to discredit his name, called him the ideologist of the "bourgeois-nationalist opposition." Like-minded people of Zaki Validi were subjected to repressions. This was done on the basis of charges fabricated by the Chekists.

It seemed that the black page had been turned. The good name of Ahmet-Zaki Validi was restored, and his merits were finally appreciated. In particular, the Center for Turkic Studies of St. Petersburg University was named after him, and a museum was created. And on the territory of the university in 2008, a bust of him was installed, donated to St. Petersburg State University by the Ministry of Culture of Bashkiria.

However, in 2021, the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation called this attempt to pay tribute to the outstanding son of the Bashkir people “the glorification of the acts of accomplices of Nazi criminals.” Which allegedly "has a negative impact on students and is unacceptable."

University employees were forced to make excuses. And the installation of the bust, at the opening of which was attended by a high official delegation of the Republic of Bashkortostan and the leadership of St. Petersburg, was declared ... arbitrariness.

In 2021, they also removed and "lost" the bust of Zaki Validi in the city of Sibay, in Bashkiria itself.

This looks very offensive. A worthy man, 50 years after his death, was turned into a "Nazi criminal" and "extremist". Why? Only because he spoke about the rights of the Bashkir people, including self-determination.

The memory of Zaki Validi was abused for the sake of the cannibalistic policy of Moscow, which is trying to eradicate everything that does not fit into the essentially imperial and Nazi concept of the "Russian world". Today they are destroying the archaeological heritage of the ancient city of Bashkort. And tomorrow they can make Salavat Yulaev an "extremist".

In the same way, the Ukrainians "did not fit" into the "Russian world". The people were called "fraternal" for decades, and then they became objectionable. The whole thing. From small to large. Only because we decided to determine our own destiny, without Moscow.

Russian propaganda has turned us into enemies who need to be "denazified". The Russian army has already killed hundreds of Ukrainian children, tens of thousands of civilians, destroyed many cities...

Today, Ukrainian soldiers demonstrate mass heroism. And ordinary people support the army with everything they can.
Because we know what we're protecting.
Their houses. Your loved ones. The legacy of our grandfathers-great-grandfathers. The future of our children in our land.

In the center of Kyiv there is a temple - the Hagia Sophia, which was built a thousand years ago by our Grand Duke Yaroslav the Wise. Inside there are frescoes depicting his family, and on the walls there are inscriptions that our ancestors left for centuries. Modern Ukrainians can read them. We have over a thousand years of continuous history before our eyes.

We are fighting for ours.
We will not give up a centimeter of territory. And everything that is temporarily occupied will be returned.
We want and will live freely, in abundance, independently making decisions. Our warriors fight for it, we honor them as heroes.

Miningali Shaimuratov died in 1943 in the Lugansk region, fighting against the Nazis. Now the whole free world and the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition believe that the main adherents of Hitler are in Moscow.

So why are Bashkir youths and men dying in Ukraine, including those from the Shaimuratov battalion?
They will die - and the Bashkirs will have more rights in Russia? No.
Will you send your people to their deaths and get more respect for the Bashkir people? No.
Will you bury them, and there will be more Bashkir language lessons in schools? No.
Website of the Bashkir State University - in five languages. But Bashkir is not among them. Will he appear there if you pay in blood?
Finally, the Bashkirs will receive more funds from the oil industry, and these funds will be distributed fairly? So that your youth can realize themselves, and the old people live comfortably? No.

Do you understand this?
So what are you fighting for?
Victims in Ukraine will not improve the situation for the Bashkir people. They will only worsen. Because now you are collectively responsible for the crimes. Your people have been turned into assassins. Several generations of Bashkirs will pay for the greed of the Moscow madmen. And for the weakness of your leaders, who are afraid to resist the pressure of the Kremlin.

The situation will change only in one case - if you change Moscow's policy towards the peoples of Russia.
Ukrainians absolutely understand the desire of the Bashkirs to determine the fate of their homeland and achieve good for their people.
But it is necessary to fight for this not in Ukraine, but in Russia, against the Kremlin.
This is true. Whoever refuses to see her betrays his people.
Take your people out of Ukraine. Give us the war criminals. And then we will become allies in building a better future for our peoples.
The Kremlin has already lost this war. Together we will force him to give up his imperial ambitions.
The sooner this happens, the more lives can be saved. And the sooner you will be able to get on the path of creation.
 
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Where are those goddamn f16 planes? Give Ukraine little by little F16 aircraft, more Ukrainians will die by fighting.

Russia still hasn't disbanded! The USA still has not become the only world superpower.

There are so many poor people who still have to die.

There are still many resources to exploit.

USA's debt stock is full, USA is about to go into default.
Lol... USA is going to up its debt ceiling like it has every other time they've approached their debt ceiling. They're the world's reserve currency. They can print their own money and people want it in spades. Their debt is not like the rest of ours. They owe the overwhleming majority of it to themselves.

People can stop dying any minute. Russia just has to leave Ukraine's borders with their tails between their legs. Back to their miserable 2nd world lives. Instead of a special military operation, they should participate in a special humanitarian operation... Where they focus on facilitating indoor plumbing for the 25% of their populous that still don't have it in 2023.

As for the idea that Russia is a "superpower". That's laughable beyond their possession of nuclear weapons. The have a smaller GDP than Canada, despite 4-5x the population, they have horrendous life expectancy, their population is shrinking rather than growing and they've lost a huge percentage of their combat troops and equipment, against an opponent that is FAR from a superpower.
 
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Russia just has to leave Ukraine's borders with their tails between their legs. Back to their miserable 2nd world lives.

So, you think Ukrainians used to love like first world before the invasion?
 

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So, you think Ukrainians used to love like first world before the invasion?
No, they were arguably the poorest country in Europe. Largely because of their longstanding ties to Russia and the deep corruption among their Oligarchs. Ukraine will come out of this conflict much closer to the West. Western funds will rebuild Ukraine over time and the lives of Ukrainians will improve in the vast majority of tangible ways. Life expectancy will go up. Education will get better. Their trade will increase. And, eventually, they'll become part of NATO, which means they won't have to be worried about Russia constantly invading them and trying to take their land / kill their people, because it would trigger Article 5, and Russia would be utterly demolished by any real conflict with NATO.
 

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USA 🇺🇸 Pentagon confirmed that 250 Ukrainian tankers will travel to Germany next week to begin training on the M1A1 Abrams MBT. At the conclusion of their training, they'll be sent back to Ukraine alongside the 31 Abrams' that USA has committed.
 

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This seems to confirm the Patriot downed all those aircrafts near Bryansk:

How many time?
putins keep said on propaganda russian media that patrion AD systems are low class...........
how many times they say that Kinjal junk is the Most advanced missile and there are No defense system which can intercept and destroyed?

This is anther big Slap from patrion AD system to putins luny lovers
 

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