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It has come to my attention that Russian navy ships doesn't come equipped with RCWS cannon on its side like many NATO warship. Next time Ukraine could be lucky that its fuze finally worked and detonate close enough to sink another ship.

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Many Western warships has multiple stabilized remote cannon as standard.

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All jokes aside, even if they were mothballed properly and kept in reserve etc... and were in a ready state to be brought back up to scratch (and donated to UKR)....

It still would be far too expensive to use pilot resources, operate and support them relative to what Ukraine needs in much more urgent priority.

i.e X amount of money doing F-111 pilot training + operation + pilot use + support would be far better spent on other things given ranges and overall pressing needs we are talking about here for Ukraine (that can be projected this year, next and forseeable future)...especially given platform scarcity and uniqueness.

F-16s really are much better "multi-tool" in comparison...at cheaper cost (and economy of scale still in operation with a large amount of airforces to support as they see fit to).

Its unfortunate for Ukraine though that in 2014 - 2022 period, NATO didn't help develop a core EW capability for Ukraine AF that would have maximised any F-16s SEAD and DEAD. NATO can only do so much from operating assets outside Ukraine airspace.

NATO completely underestimated the chance of this war to begin with...and squandered a huge amount of time and capacity development that could have been backfilled more optimally now if such a war did break out. Most things were done adhoc way now shooting from the hip.

Russian performance (in both strategic and tactical level) failure of course is predominant feature that has somewhat blanketed the NATO miscalculation.

F111C is also expensive and complex to maintain. But its retirement was still controversial as the Australian air force was divided in trying to retire it many did not want it retired while the other side wanted it as the f35 was coming.

Still makes me sad how we are burying them.
 

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you are making a pun, at the time you mentioned, the same zelensky started to persecute his own citizen Russians in the east of the country to provoke Russia. tell me that too. What mind draws a sword against russia without the westerners agreeing to fight together. the mind of little man zelensky. Maybe he is carrying out the orders of Zionism. so he made this stupid move.
Persecuting the Russians in the east of the country?You mean the Russia backed armed terrorists who killed over 5000 Ukrainian soldiers from 2014-2022?How could Ukraine persecute them when it had no effective control over much of the territory they (and Russia) occupied in 2014?
Btw why are you falsely implying in every single post that Ukraine started this war?Russia attacked them twice,once in 2014 and in 2022.
The appeasing Putin got from the west in 2014 invasion encouraged him to try to take whole Ukraine.
In a way i do agree with you however that westerners are to blame for this war.
Ukraine should have been armed to the teeth and given heavy weapons,planes,cruise missiles etc. in 2014-15 and all of this would not be happening now.
Putin like every bully only attacks those he thinks are easy target,there is no way he would have started this if Ukrainians before the war had at least 10% of the weapons they have now.
 

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Don't feel sorry for zelensky, Biden or putin. No harm will come to them. harm always happens to ordinary citizens. No one knows how many innocent innocent people have died so far.

But you can clearly see who profited from this war. usa? England? Israel? Canada?
 

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Do you want to play hockey with Canadiens or Indians? Hahahahaha :) Effing epic.
Make no mistake about it, we've beaten the piss out of Russia in hockey for so long, they have PTSD about it and would much rather play against India.

That said, Russia 🇷🇺 does have some excellent players in the NHL. Ovechkin is a beauty. Malkin has been great for a long time. Kucherov is top notch for the Lightning, as is Vasilevskiy. They produce other excellent goalies as well. Complete credit where it's due... That said, if they want to put our respective best squads together for another "Super Series" good luck Russia.

Back to Ukraine 🇺🇦 vs Russia 🇷🇺
 

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Don't feel sorry for zelensky, Biden or putin. No harm will come to them. harm always happens to ordinary citizens. No one knows how many innocent innocent people have died so far.

But you can clearly see who profited from this war. usa? England? Israel? Canada?
You mean the countries in the world that people are bending over backwards to live in and immigrate to because they have the highest standards or living, the best human rights, the world's best cities and higher education systems...

That checks out.
 

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No? colonial expansion countries. Even those who make countries fight and cause people to die. These countries are neither developed nor humane, nor have any other characteristics. There is only modern slavery in these countries. Slavery order called industrial society. It's an evil scheme that feeds on the blood flowing now in Ukraine and elsewhere.

My neighbor lives in Canada. Like everywhere else, the capitalist system was working in Canada. I mean, if you're rich, life is good, if you're not, continue slavery. As in every country. Also, democracy in the west is only in the media.

Every country where westerners do not have evil and is not exploited by westerners is quite livable geographies.
Lol... You do not have to be "rich" in Canada to enjoy a higher standard of living than most areas of the world. That's complete nonsense. The average, working class Canadian has access to things that BILLIONS of empoverished people from around the world dream of. Everything from first world healthcare (proven out by life expectancy), to highly subsidized post-secondary education, home / land ownership, freedom from persecution, right to religious freedom without persecution, direct access to a currency that is convertable and exchangeable globally, etc, etc... Not to mention, cities such as Toronto and Vancouver, that are routinely and objectively ranked among the best cities in the world to live in.

Canada is nowhere near perfect. No country is. But it's definitely among the better countries in the world to live in. There is a reason why people from around the world are wait listed for years for a chance to immigrate to Canada. We also have an enormous net inflow of some of the best and brightest minds from around the world, who want to leave their own countries, for better situations. Doctors, Specialists, Lawyers, Real Estate Developers, Engineers, Professors, etc.

By the way, we have among the greatest quantities of fresh water, soft and hardwood lumber, oil, and precious minerals in the world... We're doing just fine.
 

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F111C is also expensive and complex to maintain. But its retirement was still controversial as the Australian air force was divided in trying to retire it many did not want it retired while the other side wanted it as the f35 was coming.

Still makes me sad how we are burying them.

I would have kept them around if I were in Aussie airforce shoes....as long as possible. Extract every bit of value from them possible.

It has long range attack capability, large part of reason Australia picked it given its land and maritime needs (Australia is literal continent size) and lessons from WW2 regarding that i.e the need to interdict on island chains as far as possible from Australian mainland.

That long range _+ large payload is main reason F-111 actually started out as naval interdiction competition competitor to the F-14 for the USN.

This would serve as an economy of scale argument for shared platform development for USAAF long range fighter use (TFX project).

That is one of the more interesting competition analysis to read about if you have the time and interest for it.

It was ultimately decided the F-14 was preferable (in the USN) given iirc, hangar volume and existing carrier class dimensions and the time they would still be in service in light of budget allocations at the time versus costs + time of new (much larger) carrier builds.

That's very different to the UKR - Russia theatre though.

UAF for example would be in far better shape, pound for pound, dollar for dollar....if it somehow had many more squadrons of Su-24s (and all the pilots trained and well versed for that number along with the maintenance and weapon stockpiles etc) and now augments them all with storm shadow from the UK. F-16s would have been ideal complement to this at start of the war.... though for Ukraine I guess its better late than never regarding them....we will have to see how that all goes.
 

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Published footage of the impact of the Russian kamikaze drone "Lancet" in the new Ukrainian MLRS "Bureviy" near Artemovsk. MLRS "Bureviy" with a caliber of 220 mm, placed on the Tatra T815-7 chassis and put into service in 2022. The MLRS was designed to replace the Soviet Uragan MLRS, the MLRS firing range is up to 65 km. Technical information about it is on the channel. As a result of the impact of the drone "Lancet", the rockets detonated in the MLRS "Bureviy".

 

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Published footage of the impact of the Russian kamikaze drone "Lancet" in the new Ukrainian MLRS "Bureviy" near Artemovsk. MLRS "Bureviy" with a caliber of 220 mm, placed on the Tatra T815-7 chassis and put into service in 2022. The MLRS was designed to replace the Soviet Uragan MLRS, the MLRS firing range is up to 65 km. Technical information about it is on the channel. As a result of the impact of the drone "Lancet", the rockets detonated in the MLRS "Bureviy".



Sweet Jesus, 3 days ago a M777 howitzer was destroyed and today now another one. Cant wait for those longer range, heavier payload faster turbojet kamikaze drones to be produced and eventually the Hermes missiles which are like mach+3 drones
 
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