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In fairness, it is junk by modern standards, regardless of where it was made. The new 155mm systems are much better. Significantly better range. Significantly targeting capabilities. Significantly better survivability. Significantly better rate of fire.

Both Ukraine and Russia use them and they're absolute garbage by all modern standards. Compare it to an Archer or Panzerhaubitze 2000 for example.
It's a bit unfair to compare a piece of equipment designed and produced in the 60s with the most modern and best systems in the world.
IMO Gvozdika was great for its time and all the way till the end of the Cold War.
 

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And that is why I said that Ukraine is at a disadvantage when it comes to time
Russia's scorched earth tactic and the fact that they possess a lot of disposable personnel doesnt bode well for Ukraine

Ukraine needs to free both Kherson and Zaporizhiya front as quick as possible. Each day it remains under Russian hands, more destructions, defences, and infrastructure will be doomed at the Ukrainians. Just looking at the intricate network of trenches already gives the individual an idea it how difficult it will be to free kherson by now
 

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Hydraulic warfare is here to stay. NATO should plan for it.​


Earlier this month, a major dam along Ukraine’s Dnipro River in Kherson province – the de-facto dividing line between Ukrainian and Russian forces on the war’s southern front – was destroyed, creating a humanitarian catastrophe. A deluge of water turned towns and streets into a detritus-filled swamp.

But this was not the first time that water has been weaponized in this war. With hydropower an important resource in a region starving for energy, and with self-styled volunteer forces taking command in local “oblasts,” water has become one of the war’s most important assets. That makes dams critical infrastructure on par with nuclear power plants.

It is hard to imagine a type of warfare more unconventional or prehistoric than “hydraulic warfare”— that is, the deliberate flooding during combat. True, this kind of warfare is not new, but an age-old technique used to enhance defenses. During the Eighty Years’ War, Dutch rebel led by William of Orange intentionally flooded low-lying areas to defend against the Spanish invaders. The Chinese breaching of Yellow River levees in 1938 to slow down the Japanese advance was called “The Largest Act of Environmental Warfare in History.”

During World War II, Josef Stalin directed his secret police to blow up a hydroelectric dam in the Ukrainian city of Zaporizhzhia to slow the German advance. The corresponding flooding was estimated to have killed upwards of 20,000 people caught in its path. Thus, flooding rivers can create a very effective defense but it can also be costly to residents in the flood plain.

Consider what occurred during the early days of the war. To halt the initial Russian advance onto Kyiv, a handful of enterprising civilians, with support from the Ukrainian military, blew up a dam where the Irpin River met the Dnipro. Their aim: to turn a minor river basin into a major obstacle.

The waterway was not particularly large – about 10-30 feet across in many areas – but it was is deep and wide enough make fording nearly impossible, yet still easy enough to cross using pontoon or other military bridges. More importantly, given its proximity to the center of Kyiv, the river was the final natural obstacle between the advancing Russian army and the capital.

After carefully breaching the dam and sending more than 31 billion gallons of water gushing into the Irpin River, the surrounding farmland from the reservoir was flooded.

About a month later, the Russians gave up their assault on Kyiv and withdrew all their forces from Kyiv and its surrounding areas. They never got a sizable force across the Irpin River. No, blowing the dam alone did not save the city, in and of itself, but it did slow the advance and bought the Ukrainians time to defend themselves.

Of course, blowing up the Kakhovka dam and hydroelectric plant in southern Ukraine has led to flooding orders of magnitudes higher than the flooding of the Irpin: tens of thousands of homes lost, farm fields lost, populations without drinking water, minefields uprooted and floating to unknown locations, and the second largest nuclear power plant in Europe put at even more risk. Ukrainian officials have called it “ecocide”the mass destruction of ecosystems.

Yet such targeting of waterways and hydro-plants has become not an outlier of modern warfare, but a common feature. More than a year later, the Irpin remains flooded, homes and farmlands destroyed or unusable, and the dam has yet to be fixed. But nearly all Ukrainians, to include those caught in the flood path, would agree that it was necessary and worth the cost.

While we tend to fixate on the more AI-powered weaponry ordinary Ukrainians are tinkering on in their basements – the 3D-printed drones and such – we must not forget that war is a battle against the elements and one’s natural surroundings; in this case, the rivers and other waterways that crisscross Ukraine.

Yes, sophisticated tanks and fighter jets are important to shift the lopsided balance of power in this war. But water is equally critical. Nuclear facilities rely on water to cool them. Civilians rely on potable water to survive, while flooded farms and fields cripple food stocks.

Hydraulic warfare is literally washing away people’s livelihoods and is every bit as destructive, if not more, than traditional munitions.

Kyiv’s military, and NATO, must plan accordingly.

 

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It's a bit unfair to compare a piece of equipment designed and produced in the 60s with the most modern and best systems in the world.
IMO Gvozdika was great for its time and all the way till the end of the Cold War.
My point is, literally, that it's junk in modern terms. That's relavent because the war is being fought in 2023, not 1973. There is junk being used on both sides of this conflict.

M113s are junk. HMMWVs are junk. Mig-29s are junk. Mig-25s are junk. T-72s and T-80s (for the most part) are junk. Almost all of the Soviet made non-MLRS is junk. It wasn't at the time it was built, but it is by today's standards. That's why things such as HIMARS, Javelins, Lancets, NLAWs, spotting drones, western. Made self-propelled artillery, Kornets, Stugna-p, etc are dominating thr battlefield. New technology just make some of the old stuff completely obsolete and, therefore, junk by modern standards.
 

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In fairness, it is junk by modern standards, regardless of where it was made. The new 155mm systems are much better. Significantly better range. Significantly targeting capabilities. Significantly better survivability. Significantly better rate of fire.

Both Ukraine and Russia use them and they're absolute garbage by all modern standards. Compare it to an Archer or Panzerhaubitze 2000 for example.
Aha, interesting, seems like you know more than the ukranian soldiers or observers in Ukraine, basically all the russian stuff is junk and all the western stuff is amazing right?


"The German-made Panzerhaubitze 2000 (PzH 2000) self-propelled artillery gun supplied by Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands is another weapon system that has put Ukrainians in a bind.

According to previous reports, the German-made PzH 2000s appear inadequate for a major conflict like the one in Ukraine. The Ukrainian PzH 2000s were known to be wearing out faster than anticipated because of extreme usage conditions in Ukraine.

German publication Der Spiegel reported late last year that the PzH 2000s were not designed to shoot more than 100 shells per day, but the Ukrainian forces are using them to fire up to 300 shells per day, rapidly taxing their completely automated loading systems and cannon barrels.

As a result, the report cautioned that at least one-third of the Ukrainian PzH 2000s are inoperable and need maintenance at any given time.

its combat performance has repeatedly come under the scanner. Earlier this month, a report published in The New York Times stated that German PzH 2000, lauded as the cutting-edge replacement for outdated Soviet artillery in the Ukrainian military, is having difficulty operating in the rugged terrain of Ukraine.

It went on to say that the PzH 2000 could not perform to its true potential in Ukraine compared to the Soviet-made Peony system. The report noted that the Peony’s metal claw-like tracks had given it an advantage over the German howitzers in muddy conditions.

Moreover, there were indications that Ukraine had decided to evacuate all of its German self-propelled artillery mounts (ACS) from the battlefield since they could not escape if they were hit by Russian shelling."
 

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Aha, interesting, seems like you know more than the ukranian soldiers or observers in Ukraine, basically all the russian stuff is junk and all the western stuff is amazing right?


"The German-made Panzerhaubitze 2000 (PzH 2000) self-propelled artillery gun supplied by Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands is another weapon system that has put Ukrainians in a bind.

According to previous reports, the German-made PzH 2000s appear inadequate for a major conflict like the one in Ukraine. The Ukrainian PzH 2000s were known to be wearing out faster than anticipated because of extreme usage conditions in Ukraine.

German publication Der Spiegel reported late last year that the PzH 2000s were not designed to shoot more than 100 shells per day, but the Ukrainian forces are using them to fire up to 300 shells per day, rapidly taxing their completely automated loading systems and cannon barrels.

As a result, the report cautioned that at least one-third of the Ukrainian PzH 2000s are inoperable and need maintenance at any given time.

its combat performance has repeatedly come under the scanner. Earlier this month, a report published in The New York Times stated that German PzH 2000, lauded as the cutting-edge replacement for outdated Soviet artillery in the Ukrainian military, is having difficulty operating in the rugged terrain of Ukraine.

It went on to say that the PzH 2000 could not perform to its true potential in Ukraine compared to the Soviet-made Peony system. The report noted that the Peony’s metal claw-like tracks had given it an advantage over the German howitzers in muddy conditions.

Moreover, there were indications that Ukraine had decided to evacuate all of its German self-propelled artillery mounts (ACS) from the battlefield since they could not escape if they were hit by Russian shelling."
I have no doubt that some of the Western made systems were not performing ideally in the Ukrainian mud. That said, despite that, Ukraine is using its western supplied 155mm self-propelled artillery, along with Excalibur, Vulcano and SMart munitions, as well as GMLRS launched from HIMARS, as it's primary counter battery fire. Those systems, in combination with western made counter battery RADAR and GPS guided shells / rockets have been the primary reason why Ukraine has destroyed such a large amount of Russian artillery. Very, very accurate and efficient.

You're also leaving a significant part out of the article. Whill the Pion system operated well in the muddy season, as soon as conditions turned to summer and the mud dried up, the German made systems and those similar, began to shine.... This is from the same article.

"Deep and black, with a consistency similar to a mixture of cookie dough and wet cement, spring mud is one of the obstacles that the Ukrainian military, for all its ingenuity, finds difficult to overcome,” the report reads.

Nevertheless, the German howitzer has better features than the Soviet-made Peony artillery system. It features advanced technology, such as an electronic targeting system and automatic loading, which allows soldiers to fire a volley of shells much faster than the old system.

This is a significant improvement over the Soviet-made Peony artillery system, which offered no armor, exposing soldiers to enemy fire.

The German Panzers are equipped with rubber treads that perform well on flat, hard surfaces. In favorable conditions, the Panzer is agile and fast, enabling soldiers to quickly fire a few rounds and retreat before the Russian side can return fire."


Therefore, in summer conditions, Panzerhaubitze will outshine Soviet made artillery significantly. That's a huge part of the reason that Russians have been losing 100+ artillery and MLRS pieces per week to counter battery fire since mid May. It's Western made artillery, fielded by the new assault brigades, doing that damage.
 
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Nice new arms package for Ukraine 🇺🇦, this time from Australia 🇦🇺. The package is worth $110 million dollars and consists of the following...

- 28 M113 APCs
- 14 Special Operations vehicles
- 28 Medium trucks
- 14 Trailers
- 105mm artillery shells

Approximately $10 million of the package is humanitarian aid of various types.

Nice job by the Aussies in keeping support up! These packages from countries beyond NATO such as Australia 🇦🇺, South Korea 🇰🇷, Sweden 🇸🇪 and Pakistan 🇵🇰 , really make it extra hard on the Russians.


 
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Ukraine continues to be a bad place for Russian armor.

This T-80 MBT caught fire and was destroyed after a drone strike somewhere in the south.


This T-90 MBT was abandoned and submerged by the Russians. Ukraine towed it and sent it for repairs, before turning it over to their own army.


Another Russian 9K35 Strela-10 SAM systems was destroyed by a HIMRS strike in Vershyna.


Russian Sosna-R SAM system being destroyed by a Ukrainian Panzerhaubitze 2000 firing guided munitions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/14ixnpy
 

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Rivnopil liberated by AFU - Deputy Defense Minister Anna Malyar


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According to Russian bloggers, the Russians were forced to retreat from Dachi, on the left bank of the Dnipro and Ukraine now has bridgehead there, which they are reinforcing in an attempt to open a 3rd line line of attack on the southern front.

Obviously, Ukraine isn't saying much for OPSEC reasons, but it does appear that Ukraine has numbers now on the left bank and has been able to move its artillery on the right bank up in support of their forces, in order the quash Russian counter attacks.


 
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A passenger plane from Poland flew into the closed sky of Ukraine

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Polish charter airline Enter Air

The plane, heading to Turkish Antalya, flew around a thunderstorm front. The airliner flew over Uzhgorod.





The Boeing 737-800 aircraft of the Polish charter airline Enter Air flew over Uzhgorod in the closed airspace of Ukraine due to a thunderstorm. This is reported by avianews.com.



The incident happened on June 23rd. An Enter Air passenger flight from Poznan to Antalya entered Ukrainian airspace for about 20 km, the sky above which has been closed to civilian aircraft since the start of a full-scale Russian invasion.



The airline noted that the plane flew around a thunderstorm, and Slovak dispatchers directed it to such a route. Everything happened according to security procedures, Enter Air noted.



The Polish Civil Aviation Agency confirmed the incident, noting that the plane's pilots were in contact with air traffic controllers in Bratislava and there was a thunderstorm in the flight area.
 

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Being infantrymen sucks way more than being sailors or pilots.
 

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Putin's speech is about nothing. It was evident that the speech was changed at the last moment. Lukashenka's speech has been rescheduled for tomorrow
 

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