Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Relic]

Ideally, the Russian military takes a stand in Moscow and there is an enormous firefight in the Russia's largest city., causing extensive damage and destruction. In. Perfect world, Wagner would be completely irradiated, but not before taking the lives of thousands of Russian soldiers and hundreds of pieces of Russian military equipment. Hopefully, Wagner is able to turn some mobilized fighters onto their side and prolong this conflict as much as possible, making this incredibly hard on Russia and the Russian people.

This would be the perfect time for the West to tighten the screws and send, collective, significant military packages to Ukraine.

 

[Dmr]

Expecting Ukraine's offensive to gain same momentum these days,especially at Bakhmut and whatever other frontlines Wagner left empty.

 

[Ryder]

Ukraine should put the offensive on hold.

Russia is going to implode and will kill itself. Basically all those lands lile crimea can be now taken without a fight.

The bear is dying.

 

[UkroTurk]

Prigozhin's mutiny may contribute to the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south of Ukraine, - ISW.

The capture of Rostov-on-Don will have a significant impact on the war. The headquarters of the General Staff of the Russian Federation, the 58th Combined Arms Army and the command center of the United Group of Russian Forces in Ukraine are located there, which can disrupt the logistics and leadership of the troops.

 

[Lordimperator]

Ukraine should put the offensive on hold.

Russia is going to implode and will kill itself. Basically all those lands lile crimea can be now taken without a fight.

The bear is dying.

I dont think they would have given Prigozhin chance.

 

[Ryder]

I dont think they would have given Prigozhin chance.

Prighozin could either win or lose. I dont see wagner maintaining anything in Ukraine.

Russia will most likely have to transfer troops is using to occupy parts of Ukraine back to Russia.

Then again if Ukraine does do an offensive it will still.work.in their favour as Russian forces are infighting.

 

[TheInsider]

According to Sputnik Erdogan offered assistance to Putin. Take this with a huge pint of salt as we all know what Sputnik is.
But if this is true and if Putin accepts we might see TB2+ Turkish technical personnel bombing Wagner forces on Russian soil.

Wagner forces took some of Kadyrov's men as prisoners. Kadyrov's forces retreated something like 100km away from Rostov.

 

[Relic]

Ukraine should put the offensive on hold.

Russia is going to implode and will kill itself. Basically all those lands lile crimea can be now taken without a fight.

The bear is dying.

While this makes sense from the perspective that you'll preserve Ukrainian life (a noble cause), this is an outstanding chance to maximize the destruction of Russian military equipment and maximize the casualty rate of the Russian army. That's ideal in not only ensuring that Russia is defeated in Ukraine, but also that the Russian army is neutered for a generation, as Ukraine slowly is assimilated into the European Union and NATO.

With the Russian leadership in disarray, their people distracted, their logistics a mess and their best fighters (Wagner) fighting the homeland, this is Ukraine's chance to be RUTHLESS and absolutely demoralize the Russian troops in Ukraine through the infliction of maximal casualties.

 

[TheInsider]

In the long run, the Wagner government might be really bad for Ukraine especially if those guys quickly take over the power and swiftly install competent commanders and remove useless, corrupt ones. Those guys are savages and war criminals but know how to fight. They were the ones that took Bakhmut from Ukraine despite there being a rivalry between the defense ministry and Wagner. The defense ministry did everything so that Wagner fails. The best scenario would be a deadlock between the Russian regime forces and Wagner to consume each other. Wagner's Ukranian policy is not clear. Will Russia withdraw from Ukraine if Wagner seizes power? This looks unlikely for a mercenary band that thrives on conflict. IMHO Ukraine should seize the opportunity before the conflict between the regime and the Wagner ends and one of them wins.

 

[Agha Sher]

According to Sputnik Erdogan offered assistance to Putin. Take this with a huge pint of salt as we all know what Sputnik is.
But if this is true and if Putin accepts we might see TB2+ Turkish technical personnel bombing Wagner forces on Russian soil.

Wagner forces took some of Kadyrov's men as prisoners. Kadyrov's forces retreated something like 100km away from Rostov.

As much as I want to see more TB2 videos slaughtering ruskies, I think this might not be a good idea.

 

[TheInsider]

Some sources claim that Wagner officials and Russian state officials are having a meeting right now.

Kadyrov sent some of his forces to Moscow.

 

[Relic]

In the long run, the Wagner government might be really bad for Ukraine especially if those guys quickly take over the power and swiftly install competent commanders and remove useless, corrupt ones. Those guys are savages and war criminals but know how to fight. They were the ones that took Bakhmut from Ukraine despite there being a rivalry between the defense ministry and Wagner. The defense ministry did everything so that Wagner fails. The best scenario would be a deadlock between the Russian regime forces and Wagner to consume each other. Wagner's Ukranian policy is not clear. Will Russia withdraw from Ukraine if Wagner seizes power? This looks unlikely for a mercenary band that thrives on conflict. IMHO Ukraine should seize the opportunity before the conflict between the regime and the Wagner ends and one of them wins.

Nobody should want a Wagner Government. All we should want is for Wagner to inflict maximal damage and casualties on the Russian military before being eviscerated. That achieves 4 goals.

1. Wagner is eliminated, effectively destroying Russia's most capable military force.

2. The Russian military is forced to burn through resources and lives that would otherwise be used in Ukraine.

3. Russia's regional power continues to be weakened, strengthening both Ukraine and NATO's hand in the region.

4. The Lukashenko regime loses more and more power and legitimacy in Belarus, allowing that country to gradually be freed from Russian oppression.

 

[Relic]

Some sources claim that Wagner officials and Russian state officials are having a meeting right now.

Kadyrov sent some of his forces to Moscow.

Hide the goats, dogs, cats or anything else that Kadyrov's men might look at. Let us all pray for the animals of Moscow!

 

[TheInsider]

Nobody should want a Wagner Government. All we should want is for Wagner to inflict maximal damage and casualties on the Russian military before being eviscerated. That achieves 4 goals.

1. Wagner is eliminated, effectively destroying Russia's most capable military force.

2. The Russian military is forced to burn through resources and lives that would otherwise be used in Ukraine.

3. Russia's regional power continues to be weakened, strengthening both Ukraine and NATO's hand in the region.

4. The Lukashenko regime loses more and more power and legitimacy in Belarus, allowing that country to gradually be freed from Russian oppression.

Right now it is not happening. Nobody is attacking Wagner forces on the contrary there are reports of mass defections and inside help. This doesn't look like an armed conflict it is more like a power structure change and it is as soft as it can be in a country like Russia.

 

[Agha Sher]

Right now it is not happening. Nobody is attacking Wagner forces on the contrary there are reports of mass defections and inside help. This doesn't look like an armed conflict it is more like a power structure change and it is as soft as it can be in a country like Russia.

Could you please start posting in the Wagner Coup thread?

 

[UkroTurk]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a large-scale counteroffensive, - Malyar.

"The eastern group of troops launched an offensive in several directions at the same time today. In the direction of Orikhovo-Vasylivka, Bakhmut, Bohdanivka, Yagidne, Klishchiivka, Kurdyumivka. There is progress in all directions."

This information is confirmed by the katsaps, whining in their shitposts. They write that the Armed Forces successfully crossed the Dnipro in the area of the Antonivsky Bridge, and the battle is underway.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1672642236012544000

 

[Relic]

Right now it is not happening. Nobody is attacking Wagner forces on the contrary there are reports of mass defections and inside help. This doesn't look like an armed conflict it is more like a power structure change and it is as soft as it can be in a country like Russia.

I'll be curious to see what it looks like as they get to Moscow.

Also, there have been multiple reports of Russian attack / EW helicopters shot down. Hopefully that's true, because if so, that's music to my ears.

 

[Relic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1672642236012544000

God speed to the Ukrainians. Casualties are going to be high. They're going to pay a high price for their freedom.

Nothing but respect. May they bring absolute hell down on the Russians that oppose them.

 

[Dmitry]

Evgeny Prigozhin said that PMC "Wagner" turns its columns and goes back to the field camps.

Thats all?