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You are speaking nonsense.
This subject is fabricated by Russian imperialism.

First you should have visited Ukraine before blaming Azov of being Nazi.

Have you ever seen Nazi or Neo-Nazi? İ can assure you that in Moscow you will find a lot of neo Nazis and skinheads.

İn Türkiye we also sing ultranationalist songs like Azov members.

Russians alibi : the song " Ukraina ponad vseh" : Ukraine is above all!
anyone with SS and swastika symbols or any symbol that relates to WW2 Germany isnt Nazi? I even got a good laugh at a french news agency accidentally show casing ukrainian kids doing the funny hand salute to ukrainian soldiers going to battle. Former U.S. marine that worked with Ukraine confirms their ideology and symbolism. There were even million view videos before the war happened on youtube where nearly all of them interviewed wanted an ethnic Ukraine with no poles. Ukrainian refugees in Poland saw the poles give random signs saying no Bandera shit

Please dont bring turks into this, I dont think their nationalism is as bad as Ukraine.
 

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First you should have visited Ukraine before blaming Azov of being Nazi.
I could tell if a penguin is a penguin without even meeting one eye-to-eye.

It's obvious that Azovs are trying their best to be Nazis, from their symbols, stated goals, etc. I mean there's nothing wrong with it, I don't have any problem with Nazis, real and copycat alike.
Have you ever seen Nazi or Neo-Nazi? İ can assure you that in Moscow you will find a lot of neo Nazis and skinheads.
Yes, the irony of this war is Neo-Nazis killing each other.

Even though the original Nazis would've considered Slavs as Untermensch
 

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YES Azov is a pro-NAZI cum wannabe Nazi militant group...you can't dumb it out any further. Whatever attempt to spin the story and lionize them will not cover the fact that it is an ideologically driven militant group. More specifically a racial superiority-driven group that btw has the backing of the Ukrainian government.

Is it wrong though to have Nazis in your country? I don't think so. But we're talking the West here so that should count, especially when Ukraine's breath is at the mercy of its Western donors.

YES war breeds radicalization and over time groups that show the most extreme mentality will naturally attract the populace, this is the way anywhere in the world including 'democratic' Europe. Nazi-leaning Azov will over time grow in appeal.

Yes the GCC members are supporting the open rebellion in Syria. Not by directly intervening, but by arming, recognizing, sending advisors and intel etc. This is how the war in Syria is fought.


Lol Thanks for letting me know you are just a Russian bot reading from a script

Calling Ukraine pro Nazi is the same Russian goverment shill disinfo bs like calling Turkey "a supporter of Isis" back in 2015

Russians are literally the last people on earth to call others Nazis. Parts of Moscow is literally full of neo nazi & ultranationalist gangs who hate any non-ethnic Russian.

It reminds me of when the Serbs used to call Croatians "Ustase" in the 90s despite the fact that Serbs themselves were Nazi colloborators in WW2 & then Croatian president Tudjman was a Partizan commander during said war.

I am happy to discuss Russia's geostrategic reasonings for this war but blatant disinfo I wont tolerate & simply shut down. Just like the Albanian PM did to the Russian ambassador to UN yesterday.
 
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Brutal shelling of the Kherson region: today five people were killed, 10 were wounded



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The occupiers are terrorizing the Kherson region

Today, in the Kherson region, five people have already died due to shelling by Russian troops, and ten more were wounded.

Shelling of Kherson and the region: latest news

about at 03:40 the Russian occupation army covered residential areas of Kherson with fire
 

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Attack on Cherkassy on September 21

Today, a hotel building was destroyed as a result of a missile attack on the city. As a result, a fire broke out, as well as a fire in the trading pavilions at the market. It was previously reported that as a result of the strike there were 10 casualties, of which 6 were hospitalized.



Having read the news, I wish some people would shut up
 

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Zaluzhny revealed details of the night /missile attack on Ukraine: how many missiles were shot down



09:56, 09/21/23



The enemy carried out a massive missile attack


The invaders launched missiles in several waves; they entered Ukrainian airspace from different directions.

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valeriy Zaluzhny, said that during the night attack, the Russian occupiers launched 43 cruise missiles at Ukraine, of which 36 were destroyed.

A message on Zaluzhny’s Telegram channel notes that on the night of September 21 at about 03:40, Russian invaders attacked Ukraine with Kh-101/Kh-555/Kh-55 air-launched cruise missiles.

“In total, 43 cruise missile launches were recorded from 10 Tu-95MS strategic aircraft from the area west of Engels,” the commander-in-chief said.
 

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Page 3895 to 3898 in India defense forum Ukraine War thread suggests ukraine is getting fucked up pretty bad and Russia is back to targetting energy facilities since 6 months ago. No atacms, and 30k 155mm shells being supplied to ukraine is something russia would finish using in 2 days, with plans of production to 7.5 million shells per year, several fold increase in kamikaze drones, several time production on iskander with 50 times increase in kinzhal. Trans spokeswoman dor Ukraine Sarah gets fired, Miley is getting replaced with Brown who focuses more on the pacific against China.
 

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YES Azov is a pro-NAZI cum wannabe Nazi militant group...you can't dumb it out any further. Whatever attempt to spin the story and lionize them will not cover the fact that it is an ideologically driven militant group. More specifically a racial superiority-driven group that btw has the backing of the Ukrainian government.

Is it wrong though to have Nazis in your country? I don't think so. But we're talking the West here so that should count, especially when Ukraine's breath is at the mercy of its Western donors.

YES war breeds radicalization and over time groups that show the most extreme mentality will naturally attract the populace, this is the way anywhere in the world including 'democratic' Europe. Nazi-leaning Azov will over time grow in appeal.

Yes the GCC members are supporting the open rebellion in Syria. Not by directly intervening, but by arming, recognizing, sending advisors and intel etc. This is how the war in Syria is fought.
You're confusing the Azov of 2014 with the current Azov. The Azov in 2014 was a volunteer battalion created out of necessity, the Azov of today is an official part of Ukraine's military and mostly just shares the name of the original.

When Russia first invaded in 2014, Ukraine had fewer than 7,000 combat-ready troops. In order to stop the Russian advance, Ukrainian volunteers of all types were accepted to fight for their homeland, primarily funded by donations from wealthy Ukrainians. One such group was Azov, a volunteer paramilitary militia under the command of Andriy Biletsky, who was indeed a neo-Nazi, and with a significant portion of it composed of Dynamo football fans. At its peak in 2014, it is estimated that 10-20% of the group identified as Nazis. The group proved effective in the early stages when all help was needed.

Six months later Biletsky was removed from its command, the unit was integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard. By the end of 2014, most far-right fighters left the regiment. Those that remained who openly articulated their views were deliberately cleansed by the new regiment command in 2017.

If you still think today's Azov consists of Nazis, or if you think Nazi views in Azov are growing, you've fallen for Russian propaganda.
 

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I mean there are a lot of nice Nazis. 😂

And Nazi's main enemy are jews, not Muslims. In fact, the common Muslim and nazi sport is hating Jews. There's even a meme about that lmao.


The point of my post is not to highlight Nazi behavior, but the fact that a wannabe Nazi force is now growing to be Ukraine's most valuable vanguard against Russia would be seen as a time bomb by the West. The same way Salafi Jihadist orgs in Syria were seen by the Arab monarchs back then.
sudah lah nak, makin kesini makin bias aja ente, situasi 2014 jangan samakan dengan 2023 untuk Azov ya..
never mind kid, the more you get here the more biased you become, don't confuse the situation in 2014 with 2023 for Azov, okay?
 
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Eastern Europe has lots of Neo Nazis.

East Germany is also a hot bed of Neo Nazis.

It has to do with communism. I believe.
 

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You're confusing the Azov of 2014 with the current Azov. The Azov in 2014 was a volunteer battalion created out of necessity, the Azov of today is an official part of Ukraine's military and mostly just shares the name of the original.

When Russia first invaded in 2014, Ukraine had fewer than 7,000 combat-ready troops. In order to stop the Russian advance, Ukrainian volunteers of all types were accepted to fight for their homeland, primarily funded by donations from wealthy Ukrainians. One such group was Azov, a volunteer paramilitary militia under the command of Andriy Biletsky, who was indeed a neo-Nazi, and with a significant portion of it composed of Dynamo football fans. At its peak in 2014, it is estimated that 10-20% of the group identified as Nazis. The group proved effective in the early stages when all help was needed.

Six months later Biletsky was removed from its command, the unit was integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard. By the end of 2014, most far-right fighters left the regiment. Those that remained who openly articulated their views were deliberately cleansed by the new regiment command in 2017.

If you still think today's Azov consists of Nazis, or if you think Nazi views in Azov are growing, you've fallen for Russian propaganda.
yeah......I dont think Russia is on ukraines kind of scale of neo nazis. unless you want to argue the west was always pro-russia which you wont fool anyone into believing here.



04:25 I dont think Maciek would like hearing that and i hope for users that are not ethnically Ukrainian think they would be treated any better. At least other slavic and turkic countries are not on that kind of nationalism.

yeah Bandera was not pronazi at all, the poles get really happy when ukrainian refugees praise bandera.


Lets not try to sugercoat neonazism in ukraine. Atleast the armenians and azeris made amends and apologies to some of the russian peacekeepres that got killed today, Ukraine does not have a normal functioning society like that.
 

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Bro Russian Neo Nazis killed a Tajik girl.

It wasnt an adult or a teenager but a child.

Numerous incidents of Russian Neo nazis murdering non Russians.
 

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You're confusing the Azov of 2014 with the current Azov. The Azov in 2014 was a volunteer battalion created out of necessity, the Azov of today is an official part of Ukraine's military and mostly just shares the name of the original.

When Russia first invaded in 2014, Ukraine had fewer than 7,000 combat-ready troops. In order to stop the Russian advance, Ukrainian volunteers of all types were accepted to fight for their homeland, primarily funded by donations from wealthy Ukrainians. One such group was Azov, a volunteer paramilitary militia under the command of Andriy Biletsky, who was indeed a neo-Nazi, and with a significant portion of it composed of Dynamo football fans. At its peak in 2014, it is estimated that 10-20% of the group identified as Nazis. The group proved effective in the early stages when all help was needed.

Six months later Biletsky was removed from its command, the unit was integrated into the Ukrainian National Guard. By the end of 2014, most far-right fighters left the regiment. Those that remained who openly articulated their views were deliberately cleansed by the new regiment command in 2017.
I mean damage control happens from time to time, especially in war and more often when the situation demands. In Syria the former Al-Qaeda wing, the Nusra Front rebranded itself so many times, it is hard to see the difference between its current version in the form of HTS in 2023 and its 2012 version as the Nusra Front for the untrained eye other than the visible leadership under Jolani. Even their tone has now been doctored so much to look like a liberal democratic armed group.

And yes, even under HTS leadership reshuffling of top leadership does happen. HTS for example has expelled HaD (Hurras Ad-Din) fighters and its leadership from its command structure as well. But not one suddenly comes with "AHA" HTS is now no longer a Salafi Jihadi org.

This is why it's important to have a comparator in life and broad knowledge of events in other parts of the world. It helps you see through the fog of war.

It has come to attention for exmaple that Azov fighters still sport Nazi symbols in its attributes, BalkenKreuz which is the insignia on many WW2 German tanks has spotted multiple times in Azov tank units, and its hard not to see that these guys are secretly seeing themselves as the spiritual and operational successor of the Nazis and Wehrmacht of WW2.

Again I'm stressing I have no problem with the Nazis, but the European and American donors will take notice, maybe the situation demands that they don't move now, but who knows, this war seems to endure for long.
If you still think today's Azov consists of Nazis, or if you think Nazi views in Azov are growing, you've fallen for Russian propaganda.
I am the least (Maybe 2nd least) individual who has any appetite for Russian propaganda. You could tell I have little like in Russia based on my constant debate with the likes of blackjack.

But just as much as I disgust Russian propaganda, I have no appetite for Western propaganda as well.
 

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Lol Thanks for letting me know you are just a Russian bot reading from a script
Not true I actually run the Russian fire department.
Calling Ukraine pro Nazi is the same Russian goverment shill disinfo bs like calling Turkey "a supporter of Isis" back in 2015

Russians are literally the last people on earth to call others Nazis. Parts of Moscow is literally full of neo nazi & ultranationalist gangs who hate any non-ethnic Russian.
I mean this war is a war of irony, really. Two Slavic nations sporting Nazi attributes trying to kill each other while accusing their foe as Nazi.


I am happy to discuss Russia's geostrategic reasonings for this war but blatant disinfo I wont tolerate & simply shut down. Just like the Albanian PM did to the Russian ambassador to UN yesterday.
You can wrap an elephant with a tarpaulin but unless you're blind you would have no problem identifying one, you may whitewash the Azov but its not much use because everything points to the fact that these guys see themselves as a Nazis and tried its best to be in successor, be it in rituals, symbols, slogans etc, you just can't hide it, especially the sheer evidence with the likes of Azov.

That's not disinfo, media in the West knows this for a fact and questions it.


 
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New USA 🇺🇸 $325 million usd defense package is confirmed. The following will be delivered.

- Additional Avenger air defense systems
- Additional Stinger air defense missiles
- Additional AIM-9M air defense missiles
- Additional GMLRS for HIMARS
- 155mm HE artillery shells
- 155mm artillery Cluster shells
- 105mm artillery shells
- TOW missiles
- Javelin anti-armor missiles
- AT4 anti-armor missiles
- .50 caliber machine guns to counter UAVs
- 59 light tactical vehicles
- 3 millions rounds of small arms ammo
- Demolition / obstacle clearing equipment
- Spare parts and maintenance

 

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