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162 M1A2SEPV3 were procured in late 2020, but the delivery has been delayed a lot because of corona, and other geopolitical issues with the ongoing Ukraine war. In the last two days, Moroccan media channels have started spreading the news that we have finally received the tank. Hopefully, it will come with the M2 Bradley🙏


 

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162 M1A2SEPV3 were procured in late 2020, but the delivery has been delayed a lot because of corona, and other geopolitical issues with the ongoing Ukraine war. In the last two days, Moroccan media channels have started spreading the news that we have finally received the tank. Hopefully, it will come with the M2 Bradley🙏


I guess Garry Kasparov should ponder why people get premium delivery when they paid for the product.
 

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I guess Garry Kasparov should ponder why people get premium delivery when they paid for the product.

We witnessed a stronger reaction from Ukrainians on Twitter when Morocco got the HIMARS with the ATACMS. They should be happy that we gave them a good amount of our T-72.
 

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I guess Garry Kasparov should ponder why people get premium delivery when they paid for the product.

When a country is at war and uses the weapons, the urgency is much higher than when a country is at peace. The US is dragging its feet with weapon deliveries to Ukraine, and this is shameful.
 

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White House open to new asylum limits for Ukraine aid


The White House and U.S. Congress are racing to strike a deal that would deliver military aid to the two allied nations while discouraging illegal immigration across the U.S.-Mexico border with only a week until lawmakers depart for a Christmas break.
 

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When a country is at war and uses the weapons, the urgency is much higher than when a country is at peace. The US is dragging its feet with weapon deliveries to Ukraine, and this is shameful.

That is hardly an explanation why Garry Kasparov should put Morocco in such a bad light for BUYING and having their orders delivered. You could protest the U.S. as much as you like for holding back weapons (rightfully do so) but the blame stays with the U.S. not other costumer of the the same country.

The way I read that line is...the world should stop doing any business just because we can't have our wish. Pretty childish tbh.
 

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That is hardly an explanation why Garry Kasparov should put Morocco in such a bad light for BUYING and having their orders delivered. You could protest the U.S. as much as you like for holding back weapons (rightfully do so) but the blame stays with the U.S. not other costumer of the the same country.

I don’t see his post as blaming Morocco, but as criticizing the US for delivering tanks to a paying customer instead of giving them to Ukraine, which needs them for the war effort. It shows where the US priorities are, as they care more about preserving their markets than about defeating Russia.
 

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I don’t see his post as blaming Morocco, but as criticizing the US for delivering tanks to a paying customer instead of giving them to Ukraine, which needs them for the war effort. It shows where the US priorities are, as they care more about preserving their markets than about defeating Russia.

Look how quickly they approve military aid to Israel while they make Ukraine jump through hoops just to get 1 tank.

Ukrainians themselves despite fighting Russia and losing so much in the process wont amount to jack shit because of American politicians being w*ores to the Zionist lobby like Aipac and worshipping Israel look at both democrats and repubilicans how they worship the fck out of Israel.
 

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I don’t see his post as blaming Morocco, but as criticizing the US for delivering tanks to a paying customer instead of giving them to Ukraine, which needs them for the war effort. It shows where the US priorities are, as they care more about preserving their markets than about defeating Russia.

USA won’t deliver M1 A2 SEP3 to Ukraine anyway. They are only getting older M1 A1.
 

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That is hardly an explanation why Garry Kasparov should put Morocco in such a bad light for BUYING and having their orders delivered. You could protest the U.S. as much as you like for holding back weapons (rightfully do so) but the blame stays with the U.S. not other costumer of the the same country.

The way I read that line is...the world should stop doing any business just because we can't have our wish. Pretty childish tbh.
Morocco like other countries has threaths, and dont want to be in a weak position in the start of a possible war.
 

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I don’t see his post as blaming Morocco, but as criticizing the US for delivering tanks to a paying customer instead of giving them to Ukraine, which needs them for the war effort. It shows where the US priorities are, as they care more about preserving their markets than about defeating Russia.
Ukraine already have their tanks, there's footage of Abrams rolling in Ukraine already. Garry simply seethe, he probably wanted Morocco's Abrams to be diverted to Ukraine as well.
 

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And oh, talking about election. Russia will have an election very soon, the irony couldn't be any bigger because in Ukraine, the darling of Western democracies, Zelensky is trying his best not to have elections.

 

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And oh, talking about election. Russia will have an election very soon, the irony couldn't be any bigger because in Ukraine, the darling of Western democracies, Zelensky is trying his best not to have elections.

Russia’s elections are a circus, they are not real elections. That’s why Putin can have elections even under the current situation.

On the other hand, Ukraine’s elections are real, and this is why Zelensky fears them. He knows he can lose power if elections take place, unlike Putin who controls the fake Russian elections.
 

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Russia’s elections are a circus, they are not real elections. That’s why Putin can have elections even under the current situation.

On the other hand, Ukraine’s elections are real, and this is why Zelensky fears them. He knows he can lose power if elections take place, unlike Putin who controls the fake Russian elections.
This is like saying, unlike yours, my car is functional. But I won't start my car, because unlike yours my car will blow up once I ignite the starter.

You are either a democracy like Russia or one-man authoritarian state like Ukraine.
 

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You are either a democracy like Russia or one-man authoritarian state like Ukraine.

So Ukraine which had five different presidents from different political parties since 2005 is a “one-man authoritarian state”, while Russia who has the same president since 2000 (with a small 4 years break when he was just Prime Minister while his puppet served as president) is a democracy?

You clearly don’t understand what a democracy is. It is not about holding elections, but about having fair elections where the people in power can be changed. In Ukraine, several times the party who held power was ousted through elections. In Russia, this never happens.
 

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So Ukraine which had five different presidents from different political parties since 2005 is a “one-man authoritarian state”, while Russia who has the same president since 2000 (with a small 4 years break when he was just Prime Minister while his puppet served as president) is a democracy?

You clearly don’t understand what a democracy is. It is not about holding elections, but about having fair elections where the people in power can be changed. In Ukraine, several times the party who held power was ousted through elections. In Russia, this never happens.

The irony just got bigger considering the Russian history of some questionable elections. While Ukraine with a history of working democracy suddenly turns un-democratic once shit hits the fans. Russia's imperfect democracy works under pressure, while Ukraine's model democracy doesn't.

No, democracy has nothing to do with fairness, politics are dirty and I don't remember countries being called non-democratic country after some questionable rise to power. In the end, the spectacle the world will notice is that Russia has elections, while "democratic" Ukraine doesn't. that's what matters.
 

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Donald Trump has made it clear that he only sees NATO as a black hole through which Europeans extract American resources. And Trump has held this opinion for more than two decades.
 
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