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Putin addressed the nation after a long time

- The purpose of the special military operation has not changed. Southern Ukraine, including Odessa, is historically Russian territory

- There will be no second mobilization. Our army gets the upper hand on the line of contact

- After the collapse of the USSR, Russia faced the separation of its original territories, but did not forget the pro-Russian sentiments of southeastern Ukraine

- Russians and Ukrainians are one people

Russians want to sever Ukraine's connection with the sea
 

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1. "Southern Ukraine, including Odessa, is historically Russian territory" - No it isn't. For more than a thousand years it was a Turkic land, up until the fall of the Crimean Tatar Khanate in the end of 18th century. Historical Russian territories are the swamps of Moscow.


2. "Russians and Ukrainians are one people" - After 2014 and this war they will never ever be one people. If he really thought that Ukrainians are his brothers he would have never attacked them in the first place.
 

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It's irrelevant what Putin is saying regarding any particular settlements in Ukraine, it's the tone in which he confidently is selling his people that probably alarms Ukraine at the moment.

You do not sell the idea of a Russian Odessa after a bad start unless you are dead convinced that you'll eventually get there
 

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Russia can produce and repair 100-150 tanks per month – Latvian Defense Ministry​

The New Voice of Ukraine
Thu, December 14, 2023 at 4:20 AM GMT+7·1 min read

The war against Ukraine has set back the ability of the aggressor country, Russia, to modernize its land forces by 15 years

The war against Ukraine has set back the ability of the aggressor country, Russia, to modernize its land forces by 15 years\

Russia’s military-industrial complex has the capacity to manufacture and refurbish approximately 100-150 main battle tanks per month, significantly outpacing Europe, State Secretary at the Latvian Defense Ministry, Janis Garisons, said on Dec. 13, as reported by Delfi.
Garisons asserts that Russia can produce or repair around 100-150 tanks in a month, which is far more than Europe can achieve. He noted that "if you look at history, it's clear that the side that can ensure greater efficiency of military equipment and arms prevails." He added that logistics, speed, and reliability of supplies are also crucial.
Read also: Ukraine rolls out Leopard tanks in defense strategy

"We can increase the number of soldiers, but we also need weapons, tanks, and other things that so far no one can produce in sufficient quantities to meet current needs," the official said.
 

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The west is looking for ways to replace Zelenskiy in Ukraine.
He is probably becoming a liability to the corruption ring headed by the Bidens.
 

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Crimea had been, then Donbass was and now Odessa is historically Russianland. I guess next will be Kyiv.

But Putin seems to have gotten Kyiv Rus ( Ukrainians) fought against Moscow in history. Today Russian's have nothing to do with slavians.
 

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A couple aid related notes for Ukraine 🇺🇦.

USA 🇺🇸 passed an astronomical $886 Billion usd defense budget for 2024. In that bill there is an additional $800 million usd for aid to Ukraine. Note that this has nothing to do with the $61 Billion usd worth of aid they are trying to pass, but for those counting, USA still has $4.6 Billion usd worth of Presidential Drawdown Authority that they can send Ukraine, as well as this fresh $800 million, which will largely be used for training initiatives for Ukrainian troops. In total, USA currently has access to $5.2 Billion usd worth of aid for Ukraine, prior to the next bill being passed.


Meanwhile, Estonia 🇪🇪 has announced a new $80 million usd defense package for Ukraine, the contents of which have not been fully disclosed, but does notably include Javelin anti-tank missiles.


Germany 🇩🇪 has announced the full contents of its defense delivery to Ukraine this week. The package includes the following...

- 1 Patriot air defense battery
- PAC 2/3 air defense missiles
- 13,390 155mm artillery shells
- 47,040 40mm grenades
- 9 Bandvagn 206 logistics vehicles
- 4 semi trailers
- 8 Mercedes Benz Zetros
- 4 vehicles (type unknown)
- 3 remote controlled demining equioment
- 14 Drone Detection censors

 
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The west is looking for ways to replace Zelenskiy in Ukraine.
He is probably becoming a liability to the corruption ring headed by the Bidens.
Rather Jewish Lobby want fast end to this conflict and pull all American support towards Israel.They are trying to force peace deal with current status(territory wise) while Zelensky insist he wants to reclaim all Ukranian territories first.When you hear corruption rumors about Zelenksy and he needs to go this is what everything about.
 
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Finland 🇫🇮 will more than double its production of artillery shells in 2024 and beyond. The Finnish Government signed a 3 year 120 million Euro deal for the production of additional artillery shells. The target number was not disclosed.

Why is this notable? Finland contains the most artillery of any country in "Western" Europe. It also produces artillery shells and rockets in both NATO 155mm and Soviet / Russian 152mm / 122mm caliber. This is, of course, important because Ukraine needs as many artillery shells as it can get, but more than anything thry need increased inflows of Soviet caliber artillery shells, the caliber of which only countries such as Finland, Poland and Bulgaria are still producing in any meaningful quantities.

 

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Rather Jewish Lobby want fast end to this conflict and pull all American support towards Israel.They are trying to force peace deal with current status(territory wise) while Zelensky insist he wants to reclaim all Ukranian territories first.When you hear corruption rumors about Zelenksy and he needs to go this is what everything about.

Can't you see, all Gazza provocation was fabricated by Russians. Putin gave Jews Gazze for Ukraine. Only USSR and Russian Federation has stopped Jews and Americans in Israel.
 

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A couple aid related notes for Ukraine 🇺🇦.

USA 🇺🇸 passed an astronomical $886 Billion usd defense budget for 2024. In that bill there is an additional $800 million usd for aid to Ukraine. Note that this has nothing to do with the $61 Billion usd worth of aid they are trying to pass, but for those counting, USA still has $4.6 Billion usd worth of Presidential Drawdown Authority that they can send Ukraine, as well as this fresh $800 million, which will largely be used for training initiatives for Ukrainian troops. In total, USA currently has access to $5.2 Billion usd worth of aid for Ukraine, prior to the next bill being passed.


Meanwhile, Estonia 🇪🇪 has announced a new $80 million usd defense package for Ukraine, the contents of which have not been fully disclosed, but does notably include Javelin anti-tank missiles.


Germany 🇩🇪 has announced the full contents of its defense delivery to Ukraine this week. The package includes the following...

- 1 Patriot air defense battery
- PAC 2/3 air defense missiles
- 13,390 155mm artillery shells
- 47,040 40mm grenades
- 9 Bandvagn 206 logistics vehicles
- 4 semi trailers
- 8 Mercedes Benz Zetros
- 4 vehicles (type unknown)
- 3 remote controlled demining equioment
- 14 Drone Detection censors


I wish Luftwaffe would donate all Tornados and aviation bombs/missiles to Ukraine. Even some of EF T1s could be transferred.

There are 68 multirole Tornado IDS and 20 SEAD EW variants in service ...


They have 200 Wiesel Ozelot Light Air Defence System which is lethal against Shahids.

Do Germans need land forces currently? They also could donate all Leo2 s and ammunitions as Germany is under protection of NATO.
 
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Rather Jewish Lobby want fast end to this conflict and pull all American support towards Israel.They are trying to force peace deal with current status(territory wise) while Zelensky insist he wants to reclaim all Ukranian territories first.When you hear corruption rumors about Zelenksy and he needs to go this is what everything about.
No, this is reprtedly before October 7th. Documents have been revealed.
I'll post when I have time to find them.
 

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And Russia is not at war ? Only Ukraine seems to have all the burden of having the nation's sons and daughters killed , cities bombed,. Only Ukraine have to worry what will the outcome of the war be, only Ukraine have to worry about losses in equipment and productions ?

Generally your idealism is only as good as the practical steps you take to bring it into reality. While having a vision or set of ideals is essential, the true measure of their impact lies in their implementation. It's easy to articulate lofty goals, but the challenge lies in translating them into tangible actions that yield positive outcomes.

It's easy to talk freedom this, freedom that, liberalism this and that, but the true test of your bullshit comes under pressure. Russia the poster child of authoritarianism doesn't crack when it comes to democracy, Ukraine does.

Second, because the stated reason of defending Ukraine is defending democracy, doesn't it make sense to abandon it once they abandon democracy as well ? Anyone thinks the same ?
The war is in Ukraine land. The one who lost territory is Ukraine.

Abraham Lincoln imprisoned journalists who are sympathetic to South without trials and labeled as a dictator by his political opponents.
 

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The war is in Ukraine land. The one who lost territory is Ukraine.
So what ? democracy has nothing to do with losing land. Does democracy in Afghanistan any less legitimate after the U.S. invaded and the Afghans lost lands ? Does democracy suspended in Iraq after the Iraqis lose lands?

The answer is no.
Abraham Lincoln imprisoned journalists who are sympathetic to South without trials and labeled as a dictator by his political opponents.

What would you expect? This is America, the land of hypocrites.

The fact that Abraham Lincoln who imprisoned journalists continued to be celebrated in the supposedly free country is a testament to that.
 

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So what ? democracy has nothing to do with losing land. Does democracy in Afghanistan any less legitimate after the U.S. invaded and the Afghans lost lands ? Does democracy suspended in Iraq after the Iraqis lose lands?

The answer is no.


What would you expect? This is America, the land of hypocrites.

The fact that Abraham Lincoln who imprisoned journalists continued to be celebrated in the supposedly free country is a testament to that.
It was a war time.
In a war time expect some suppression of free speech.
 

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It was a war time.
In a war time expect some suppression of free speech.

Well then, there seems to be no difference between Russia and Ukraine, in fact Russia is one step above Ukraine because they don't suspend elections and strip their citizens ability to shape the politics of the country.
 

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Well then, there seems to be no difference between Russia and Ukraine, in fact Russia is one step above Ukraine because they don't suspend elections and strip their citizens ability to shape the politics of the country.
Ukraine laws preclude elections whilst the country is under martial law, which they currently are. This is "perang sejagat" for them. No laws are break here.

Also for Russian this is not a war, this special military operation.
 

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What is it with Hungary?

 

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