Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Woland]

I know in Ukraine's history classes they teach kids that they are super duper white race aryans but come on
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This image does not support your argument, it does the opposite. Kherson is in the South, the one marked 82.3% (in 2003). Yet still, those fleeing choose to go to Ukraine.

When the USSR dissolved, with 84% of electorate participating, 90% voted in favor of independence, including majorities in both Crimea and Donbas. The referendum was accepted by all countries, including Russia. The percent of people speaking Ukrainian, and % wanting closer relations with Europe over Russia, has only increased since then.

I'm from Kharkiv and spoke Russian my whole life. Everyone around me did as well. We still identify as Ukrainians. @UkroTurk brought up a similar personal example since he was in Donetsk in 2014. There was never a majority seeking to join Russia in Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine. Continuing to argue otherwise while trying moralize Russia's behavior is absurd.

 

[blackjack]

This image does not support your argument, it does the opposite. Kherson is in the South, the one marked 82.3% (in 2003). Yet still, those fleeing choose to go to Ukraine.

When the USSR dissolved, with 84% of electorate participating, 90% voted in favor of independence, including majorities in both Crimea and Donbas. The referendum was accepted by all countries, including Russia. The percent of people speaking Ukrainian, and % wanting closer relations with Europe over Russia, has only increased since then.

I'm from Kharkiv and spoke Russian my whole life. Everyone around me did as well. We still identify as Ukrainians. @UkroTurk brought up a similar personal example since he was in Donetsk in 2014. There was never a majority seeking to join Russia in Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine. Continuing to argue otherwise while trying moralize Russia's behavior is absurd.

I get it that you and him are great story tellers but as story tellers why can't you guys post proof like I have on who is majorly Russian speaking than Ukrainian speaking? Every self proclaimed Ukraine user here is a trust me bro kind of guy. Why would the east vote to join Russia? Why would the east be getting bombed from the Ukrainians since 2014? Why did the West do the maiden massacre to the east? Neither you or him for whatever reason can never give me straight answers.

 

[UkroTurk]

Donald Trump Jr. Taunts Zelensky That He’s About to Lose ‘Allowance’

Donald Trump Jr. Taunts Zelensky That He’s About to Lose ‘Allowance’

“POV: You‘re 38 Days from losing your allowance,” reads a caption on a video of the Ukrainian president shared by President-elect Donald Trump’s eldest son.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[blackjack]

Ukraine has longer range MLRS systems than the HIMARS and Tornado-S

 

[Iskander]

I get it that you and him are great story tellers but as story tellers why can't you guys post proof like I have on who is majorly Russian speaking than Ukrainian speaking? Every self proclaimed Ukraine user here is a trust me bro kind of guy. Why would the east vote to join Russia? Why would the east be getting bombed from the Ukrainians since 2014? Why did the West do the maiden massacre to the east? Neither you or him for whatever reason can never give me straight answers.

Well, yes, in Ukraine many, mainly in the cities, spoke Russian. I lived in Ukraine in the 80s. In Odessa, in Kyiv, in Kharkov. People mostly communicated in Russian. But Ukrainians communicated with each other in Ukrainian.
Do you find Russia's claims to the territories of a neighboring state legitimate only on the basis that they speak Russian there. But what about the fact that Russia recognized all these territories as Ukrainian?
During the Soviet era, I lived in northern Kazakhstan. Almost the same situation was there. Russia does not hide its claims to northern Kazakhstan.
If Ukraine's allies give in to Russian claims in Ukraine, then Kazakhstan will suffer the same fate. And not only Kazakhstan.
In many African countries, in former colonies, people communicate in French. The French even came up with a special name for 12 African states - "Françafrique". So what? Are these French lands? Is this France?
You live in the USA. You speak English. So what? The USA is England?

 

[UkroTurk]

In Armenia , in Kazakhstan also some Armenians or Kazakhs speak Russian language at Home in Family, would it make them Russian?

Francophone African countries belong to France yeah.
İt ıs called " imperialism" and "assimilation".

 

[Spitfire9]

In Armenia , in Kazakhstan also some Armenians or Kazakhs speak Russian language at Home in Family, would it make them Russian?

Francophone African countries belong to France yeah.
İt ıs called " imperialism" and "assimilation".

When this war started I wanted to know the breakdown of use of the Russian and Ukrainian languages in Ukraine. Don't remember the source (would have been something academic) but I was surprised to read that most households in the study reportedly used both languages when communicating in the home environment. That suggests to me that the choice of language to use was not a clear indicator of the 'culture' or 'cultural affiliation' of the people in the study.

 

[UkroTurk]

Corvette Ivan Mazepa passes regular tests, Navy reveals impressive footage

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newsukraine.rbc.ua

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1629954817554361

Clash Report

NEW: Footage from the testing of Ukraine's ADA-class corvette Hetman Ivan Mazepa (F211) in Türkiye. The video showcases firing from the modified 76mm/62 Oto Melara Super Rapid gun, 35mm GÖKDENİZ CIWS, and 12.7mm STAMP-2 remote-controlled weapon system.

t.me

 

[blackjack]

 

[Spitfire9]

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A lot of what I read from posters supporting Russia I dismiss as biased or ridiculous propaganda. The above report I can find credible.

WARNING: VIDEO MAY CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES - but it is my source to support what I write

I can can also find credible the above report of Russia suffering record losses in a day. I don't trust the actual number given but I can believe that this was Russia's worst day of losses.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage has been published of the evacuation of a Ukrainian armored vehicle, the American-made Cougar H, by Russian repair units. The Cougar H armored vehicle was damaged and abandoned in the Kursk region of Russia by Ukrainian units. The Cougar H MRAP has been produced by the American company Force Protection Inc since 2002; there are 4x4 and 6x6 versions. These combat vehicles were first used in Iraq by the US Marine Corps sapper units. According to open data, Ukraine has received about 30 Cougar MRAP armored vehicles. The standard armament of the Cougar H is a 7.62 mm or 12.7 mm machine gun. The Cougar H armored vehicle is equipped with anti-mine protection capable of withstanding an explosion of 14 kg of TNT under any wheel or 7 kg of TNT under the hull. The Cougar 4x4 weighs from 14 to 17 tons, it can carry up to 6 people, including a crew of 2.

 

[Relic]

The rate of equipment losses for both Russia and Ukraine over the last few days has been exceptional. Andrew Perpetua and his team do a wonderful job of working through combat footage from both sides and posting losses. I've posted lots of his stuff previously, but here is a 3 day snapshot of the losses occurring across the various fronts. Both sides facing heavy attrition far beyond the pace at which they can replace losses.

Russia 3 day vehicle losses

Aircraft
1x SU-25

Air Defense Systems
1x BUK-M3

Artillery
4x D-30
1x S-60
1x 2S9 NONA
1x 2S19 MSTA-S
1x 2S65 MSTS-B
1x SPG (unknown type)

Main Battle Tanks
6x T-80
8x T-72
5x T-62

Infantry Fighting Vehicles
6x BMP-3
14x BMP-2
5x BMP-1
1x BMD-4
19x BTR-82

Armored Personnel Carriers
3x Z-STS Akhmat
1x Tigr-80
2x BTR-80
6x MT-LB
2x BTR-50
1x Kamaz Asteys

Ukraine 3 day vehicle losses

Aircraft
Nil

Air Defense Systems
Nil

Artillery
1x M777
1x 2S1 Gvozdika
1x 2S7 Pion

Main Battle Tanks
4x T-64
2x T-72
1x M1A1 Abrams
1x Leopard 2A4

Infantry Fighting Vehicles
6x Bradley
1x BTR-4
1× BMP-2

Armored Personnel Carriers
8x M113
1x Stryker
4x Kirpi
1x Dingo-2
4x Kozak
1x MT-LB
1x Iveco LMV
1x FV432
4x Maxxpro

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855931152386629853

 

[Relic]

With the above post in mind, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ukraine needs a significant surge of additional equipment. If it has to be paid for using a portion of the G7's $50 Billion usd loan, so be it. But the following is required ASAP to replace losses and keep Russia's unsustainable attrition as high as possible. Note that some of this has already been pledged and simply needs to arrive ASAP.

Artillery
36x Panzerhaubitze 2000 (Pledged)
18x RCH-155 (Pledged)
18x Bohdana 2 (Pledged)
36x CAESAR 155mm (Pledged)
14x Zuzana 2 (Pledged)
18x DITA (9x Pledged)
18x M777
18x M109A6
18x M109L B/L

Main Battle Tanks
100x Leopard 1 (47 Pledged)
100x Leopard 2 (33 Pledged)
100x M1A1 Abrams (49 Pledged)
100x T-72 (55 Pledged)

Infantry Fighting Vehicles
200x Bradley M2-ODS
200x Stryker
50x Marder
50x CV90 (35 Pledged)
50x BMP-2 (Pledged)
100x BMP-1
50x AMX-10 RC (30 Pledged)

Armored Personnel Carriers
200x M113
200x VAB (Pledged)
100x Kirpi
100x Rosomak / Patria
50x Dingo
50x Bushmaster
50x LAV 6.0
50x M117
100x MaxxPro

All of that exists inside the respective inventories of those nations and none of it would impact the military readiness of NATO or the EU. Everything listed is either surplus, held by private industry, or can be replaced from inventories quickly. There simply has to be the political will to send it to Ukraine, who already operate everything listed above.

 

[Agha Sher]

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Frankly, this source is known for spreading BS.

 

[blackjack]

A lot of what I read from posters supporting Russia I dismiss as biased or ridiculous propaganda. The above report I can find credible.

WARNING: VIDEO MAY CONTAINS DISTRESSING IMAGES - but it is my source to support what I write

I can can also find credible the above report of Russia suffering record losses in a day. I don't trust the actual number given but I can believe that this was Russia's worst day of losses.

Do they even record the time and dates, the losses Kiev claims means they should be pushing the Russians back not the other way around. When was the last time the sun published Russian losses on YouTube before that video?

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12536835@egNews

Russian MoD reporting 2180 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including Kursk;

During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 300 servicemen, a tank, an infantry fighting vehicle, two armored personnel carriers, eight armored combat vehicles, as well as three artillery pieces, a mortar and seven cars were destroyed. Five servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered.

If we believe the Ukrainians their Russian casualty claims there would be a stalemate and not this shit happening

I scrolled through the Suns YouTube channel you showed me and saw nothing the past 7 days(maybe more if I keep scrolling) of an update on Russian losses. And you wonder why Trump and his son want to cut funding.

 

[Relic]

Do they even record the time and dates, the losses Kiev claims means they should be pushing the Russians back not the other way around. When was the last time the sun published Russian losses on YouTube before that video?
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https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12536835@egNews

Russian MoD reporting 2180 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including Kursk;

During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than 300 servicemen, a tank, an infantry fighting vehicle, two armored personnel carriers, eight armored combat vehicles, as well as three artillery pieces, a mortar and seven cars were destroyed. Five servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered.

If we believe the Ukrainians their Russian casualty claims there would be a stalemate and not this shit happening

I scrolled through the Suns YouTube channel you showed me and saw nothing the past 7 days(maybe more if I keep scrolling) of an update on Russian losses. And you wonder why Trump and his son want to cut funding.

Andrew Perpetua, Oryx and Warspotting all track both Russian and Ukrainian losses. You can also find a picture for every Russian vehicle on the Oryx website. You can also find thousands of Russian losses on the Reddit Combat Footage page. Covert Cabal also runs a YouTube channel in which he and his team use satelite imagery to track Russian vehicles and artillery removed from storage, used to replace Russian losses. It's fascinating how low Russia is on easily restored vehicles.

There are very good open source resources tracking the demise of the Soviet arsenal that was left to Russia.

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1855931152386629853

Losses ∙ Russia ∙ WarSpotting

Visually confirmed Russian losses in Russian war in Ukraine

ukr.warspotting.net

Covert Cabal

"War does not determine who is right, war determines who is left" -Unknown My goal is to create unbiased military analysis, which is something very rare these days. A lot of the military analyst I see in the media seem to be very partisan, or even just outright wrong giving incorrect...

m.youtube.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/

 

[Spitfire9]

A pattern of Russia having losses of 1,000+ a day seems to have been reported for a long time by the UK MOD. I do not think that they simply ask Ukraine for the numbers. Given that Russia is advancing, I can believe that Russian daily losses have risen. From what to what I do not know.

Agreed, I would not call The Sun a good, reliable source but it depends on the journalist concerned. I know one editor on the paper who describes himself as 'old school' - you do your best to report facts.

 

[Barry]

A post serving no purpose other than trolling.

Another rule broken in the previous post -
"The war will continue as long as the UK keeps being a spiteful little bitch of a country."
"name calling other... countries [are] strictly forbidden." - https://defencehub.live/threads/forum-rules.802/#post-4292

I genuinely wonder why you became a moderator here, considering you don't know/respect the rules of this forum, and regularly make posts that are flat out lies. A very bad precedent to set for other users.

Wow he's a mod? I've had him on ignore since it was clear he's a propagandist on some payroll.

 

[SilverMachine]

I mean, they're objectively gaining ground, every western government acknowledges that. A thousand dead grunts a day is bad news for the Rooskies if true, but it's nothing the people won't accept or the military can't absorb in the name of progress.

Again, every guy Ukraine loses is irreplaceable. For the Russians it's just "plenty more where those came from - go get some lifers from the prisons or hit up Kim for more cannon fodder from the hermit kingdom. We don't even have to go up a level with mobilization/conscription here."

Also, chances are if Russian losses are that high, Ukraine's not eactly having a party here either. Even if it's not a 1:1 equal ratio, they're losing dudes too.

 

[Spitfire9]

I mean, they're objectively gaining ground, every western government acknowledges that. A thousand dead grunts a day is bad news for the Rooskies if true, but it's nothing the people won't accept or the military can't absorb in the name of progress.

Again, every guy Ukraine loses is irreplaceable. For the Russians it's just "plenty more where those came from - go get some lifers from the prisons or hit up Kim for more cannon fodder from the hermit kingdom. We don't even have to go up a level with mobilization/conscription here."

Also, chances are if Russian losses are that high, Ukraine's not eactly having a party here either. Even if it's not a 1:1 equal ratio, they're losing dudes too.

I agree that in crude terms Russian manpower is inexhaustible. If North Korea chooses to continue to supply troops, that supply is inexhaustible. Ukraine does not have a limitless pool of troops in the same way. However, every man Russia sends to Ukraine (prisoners excepted) is a man removed from the labour force available to Russian industry when shortage of labour is causing major economic problems.

IMO Ukraine can't hold its own in this contest by the use of troops and armoured vehicles etc. I think that it needs to eat away at Russia's economy and at Russia's ability to support its war effort through attacks on its supply infrastructure - something it has been prevented from doing in full by its allies. Unless that changes I would see Ukraine slowly retreating from the land it holds until US support is withdrawn and the Ukrainian government is forced to sue for an end to the war.

I have no idea how the people of Ukraine will react if Zelensky tries to sell them the idea of part of their country being annexed by a vicious, corrupt regime.