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So,current events dont show you otherwise?

The "real tangible events" i saw in the last few years were the Germans, French working with Russia against Turkiye. Whether it be syria, whether it be libya, whether it be Azerbaijan.

As for Ukraine, the US forced the French/Germans to be against Russia. Otherwise they were happy to keep buying oil and gas from russia among other things. Don't forget the polish were angry with german russian pipelines.
 

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The "real tangible events" i saw in the last few years were the Germans, French working with Russia against Turkiye. Whether it be syria, whether it be libya, whether it be Azerbaijan.
That is not new and will never end but lets stay on topic.
Just answer my question.
France and Germany's actions dont show you a definite negative stance against Russia?
 

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How does this relate to France supplying more M2K to Ukraine while Trump and Putin strip Ukraine of assets yet the EU countries, UK, Norway and Canada remain committed to supporting Ukraine?

American support hasnt ended for Ukraine, if it does the French will turn tail quicker then anyone else. Your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
 

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That is not new and will never end but lets stay on topic.
Just answer my question.
France and Germany's actions dont show you a definite negative stance against Russia?

"worth keeping in mind that countries like france and germany were ok with Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was American pressure that pulled them into the fold. If the US were to normalise relations with Russia, i would expect France and Germany to follow suit. Especially France. No way on earth the French or Germans will want to be opposed to the US/Russia combo."

Like i say its contingent on whether americans normalise relations, just like it was on America for pulling Europe into the fold in support Ukraine. No american support for Ukraine and only Turkiye would have been supporting her against Russia.

No one in europe gave a f'k about Ukraine until America made them give a f'k. So logic dictates if the USA pulls support from Ukraine and normalises relations with the Russians the french and germans will return to being good partners with Russia. Not only good partners but two of Russia's largest trading partners.
 
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I still remember when no one gave a f'k about the invasion/annexation of Crimea in Europe. I still remember when Turks were selling Ukraine drones and Germany was warning us not to. I still remember the German general talking in support of Russia and her invasion, until american pressure had him removed from office. Europeans are happy to support Ukraine hiding behind her power, but take American power out of it and put the Russians in good standings with America and things can rapidly change.

At the end of the day your talking about europe that was even robbing each others free covid aid that was being sent from Turkiye.
 
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"worth keeping in mind that countries like france and germany were ok with Russia's invasion of Ukraine, it was American pressure that pulled them into the fold. If the US were to normalise relations with Russia, i would expect France and Germany to follow suit. Especially France. No way on earth the French or Germans will want to be opposed to the US/Russia combo."

Like i say its contingent on whether americans normalise relations, just like it was on America for pulling Europe into the fold in support Ukraine. No american support for Ukraine and only Turkiye would have been supporting her against Russia.

No one in europe gave a f'k about Ukraine until America made them give a f'k. So logic dictates if the USA pulls support from Ukraine and normalises relations with the USA the french and germans will return to being good partners with Russia.
I must say,you form some strange conclusions from this situation.
You know the US put a hold on weapon/munitions deliveries after which Germany France UK etc stepped up to deliver more weapons/munitions to Ukraine?
And you forget its not about only France and Germany,its the EU without Hungary so this means they all chip in.
How would it look to the rest of the EU if/when France or Germany would change sides?
In this case,nobody in the EU sees the US as an ally rather an ''enemy'' but of course no official statement.
Which means,nobody in the EU gives a fuck if the US and Russia become ''friends''.
 

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I must say,you form some strange conclusions from this situation.

I'm just not naive.

You know the US put a hold on weapon/munitions deliveries after which Germany France UK etc stepped up to deliver more weapons/munitions to Ukraine?


A short term hold means little. That is to pressure Ukraine for capitulations on their resources, with the intent that the support will resume. What i'm saying is if the Americans cut it completely and then normalise relations with Russia. If that were to happen the EU coalition will collapse like a house of cards.

And you forget its not about only France and Germany,its the EU without Hungary so this means they all chip in.

They will not maintain a war against Russia if the US pulls out of it. In fact they will return to doing business. Forget about me, forget about being Turkish, many Europeans have a fear that this could happen, not least Poland. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1m5p21pmy2o


How would it look to the rest of the EU if/when France or Germany would change sides?

As for changing sides, in england they take the piss out the french for constantly changing sides, only the Italians get a worse rap for it here in the UK. And since France and Germany are the biggest nations in the EU, if they return to "business as usual" well nothing anyone else in europe can say and do about it. The media will return to muslim fear mongering and everything will be forgotten.

In this case,nobody in the EU sees the US as an ally rather an ''enemy'' but of course no official statement.

USA is the big dog, what they see or don't see does not effect the geopolitical realities. Its a bit like Turkiye, the USA has armed terrorists against us, worked to partition our nation. She hosts gulen and others, but at the end of the day were in NATO, Americans got their bases on our soil, bases that were used to transport weapons directly to the YPG and we look to buy their hardware. What we will feel is only so important, the facts on the ground is what matters. USA has global leverage that she constantly uses to her advantage and nations like Turkiye have to sit on it. Same goes for France, Germany etc.

Which means,nobody in the EU gives a fuck if the US and Russia become ''friends''.

Nah, if tomorrow they normalise relations Russia will become a good guy in the european media again.

Let me add something else, the anglo-american establish meaning the US/UK have always used Russia as balancing weight against mainland europe. At times cut her down when she got to big and at other times propped her up to keep nations like Germany, Ottomans, Chinese and Japanese in check.

Ill also speculate that the Polish visit recently to Turkiye was not just about Russia, it was Poland trying to find another hedge against Germany.

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On a side not, truth be told a military alliance among the central states and those bordering the black sea makes more sense. That way they get to hedge against both the Russian threat and the German/French threat, or even A US/UK threat. None of them would have any interest on each others lands but all of them would have an interest to keep each other free from the rest.
 
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The German 🇩🇪 Parliamentary vote has passed in 513-207 majority. It will now be sent to the upper house of German Parliament where incoming Chancellor Merz has the votes he needs.

German Government now will now have the power to spend on it's Military and and to help Ukraine, outside of the debt country's debt brake. Merz is an enormous supporter of Ukraine and has vowed to increase Germany's military support for Ukraine substantially, as soon as he takes office.

This is very good news for Ukrainem Germany stepping up into a signignificant EU leadership position puts creates a much needed challenge for Russia in Europe. The German economy is twice the size of Russia's. Germany makes some of the best military equipment in the world. Their ability to spend hundreds of billions of euros of the next 5-7 years will allow them to place substantial orders to their weapons industry.

 

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An archive episode of the battle of the Ukrainian fourth company, at one of the strongholds, the location of the shooting is not reported. The video is shortened, showing episodes explaining the essence of what is happening and showing active moments of the battle. Russian artillery, drones and mortars are firing at the stronghold. Nearby, there is a shootout with a Russian unit. At first, the stronghold is attacked by a Russian FPV drone, it flies away, but when it returns, it hits two soldiers in a trench. Then, to change personnel, an armored personnel carrier YPR-765 arrives at the stronghold. The soldiers try to evacuate, but the armored personnel carrier breaks down. After this, they decide to abandon the combat vehicle and go on foot. When leaving the combat vehicle, one soldier is wounded in the arms and legs. Then it is reported that two more are wounded. The soldiers decide to drag the wounded man, after which a mortar mine explodes nearby. The soldier who filmed this video is wounded in the leg. The fate of the soldiers is unclear, as two wounded remain in the trench, and a soldier with the call sign Hector leaves. The video ends here. It is worth noting that the stronghold is open, it was impossible to defend it, judging by the video, there is not even a dugout.

 

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An episode of the Russian evacuation group in Ukraine. In the video, a Russian Desertcross-1000 buggy, made in China, is used to evacuate two wounded soldiers. Technical information about the Desertcross-1000 buggy is on the channel. During the evacuation, Ukrainian FPV drones try to attack the group twice. A serviceman fires at the drones and, risking his life, tries to distract their attention from the wounded. The exact location of the shooting is not reported, the video is shortened.

 

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