Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[HTurk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515312704701059084

 

[emrachi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515312704701059084

They get so much stuff and still complaining as if there is an obligation to send them whatever they want.

 

[emrachi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515412789698912266

 

[emrachi]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515411683698749446

 

[Relic]

They get so much stuff and still complaining as if there is an obligation to send them whatever they want.

They are just doing their job to politic the world for as much they can get. You can't expect to get the help you need if you aren't loud about it.

They're not ungrateful, they're simply up against the clock until Russia starts its next offensive and they want to make sure they have what they need to survive in the Donbas. It takes a while to get weapons and supplies to their front lines in the East. They can't afford to have weapons flows into the country slowed due to slow delivery pace.

 

[emrachi]

They are just doing their job to politic the world for as much they can get. You can't expect to get the help you need if you aren't loud about it.

They're not ungrateful, they're simply up against the clock until Russia starts its next offensive and they want to make sure they have what they need to survive in the Donbas. It takes a while to get weapons and supplies to their front lines in the East. They can't afford to have weapons flows into the country slowed due to slow delivery pace.

I understand that my point is when you consider the amount of financial support and the weapons they have already received it is alot.

 

[emrachi]

If 1/1000 of those were send to syrian rebels the russians, iranians and syrian regime would lose 10 years ago.

 

[Manomed]

If 1/1000 of those were send to syrian rebels the russians, iranians and syrian regime would lose 10 years ago.

This

 

[Madokafc]

If 1/1000 of those were send to syrian rebels the russians, iranians and syrian regime would lose 10 years ago.

Which Rebels? They don't have united front and goals, lot of faction. And you should also knowing the GCC pour Billion US Dollar worth weaponry including latest model Bgm 71 TOW and other ATGM also MANPADS from various countries, but alas bulk of them instead fall into ISIS or Al Qaeda backed camps

Compared to Ukraine united front orchestrated by the Ukraine government and armed Forces

 

[Manomed]

Which Rebels? They don't have united front and goals, lot of faction. And you should also knowing the GCC pour Billion US Dollar worth weaponry including latest model Bgm 71 TOW and other ATGM also MANPADS from various countries, but alas bulk of them instead fall into ISIS or Al Qaeda backed camps

Compared to Ukraine united front orchestrated by the Ukraine government and armed Forces

They had a united front once before Russia killed all of their political and Real military commanders west didn't do anything

 

[Relic]

I understand that my point is when you consider the amount of financial support and the weapons they have already received it is alot.

It's actually not alot, given the type of opponent they're up against. Consider that the United States spent between $100m-$200m (USD) per day, to defeat a far inferior Iraqi military. If you average that out to $150m per day and factor in that this war is 50 days old, that's $7.5 Billion USD. The West has not even provided that much aid yet, where as they probably should have sent TWICE that number in military aid by now, if they were unanimously serious about ensuring a Ukrainian victory.

There is soooo much more that Western European nations such as Germany, France, Italy and Spain could be doing to match the funding and weapons shipments of countries such as USA and Britain.

 

[Madokafc]

Russian so far already sending more than 1600 of various Type of cruise Missiles and tactical ballistic Missiles from day one. There is also undisclosed number of heavy MLRS munition round in the class of Uragan, Tornado A or Smerch at daily basis, not to mention Grad series. If each cruise or ballistic Missiles worth around one to two million US Dollar per pieces in which 1,6 Billion US Dollar to 3,2 Billion US Dollar, and smerch munition costs around 100 k to 300 k, depend on the Type guided or not. There is also costs for fuels, ammunition for regular artillery pieces, soldier and such. And we also talking about aircraft deployment and Naval deployment. Russian more likely spent around 150 million to 400 million US Dollar per day during their military operation in Ukraine, depends on the tempo though.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515505604101656579

 

[HTurk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515395150062702592

@Nilgiri

 

[HTurk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1515453586167242760

 

[Ravenman]

Russian so far already sending more than 1600 of various Type of cruise Missiles and tactical ballistic Missiles from day one. There is also undisclosed number of heavy MLRS munition round in the class of Uragan, Tornado A or Smerch at daily basis, not to mention Grad series. If each cruise or ballistic Missiles worth around one to two million US Dollar per pieces in which 1,6 Billion US Dollar to 3,2 Billion US Dollar, and smerch munition costs around 100 k to 300 k, depend on the Type guided or not. There is also costs for fuels, ammunition for regular artillery pieces, soldier and such. And we also talking about aircraft deployment and Naval deployment. Russian more likely spent around 150 million to 400 million US Dollar per day during their military operation in Ukraine, depends on the tempo though.

Thats impossible. Lets say the daily costs of the Russian invasion are 200 million US Dollar per day.

The war started at 22 february and its now 17 april.

February: 6 x 200 = 1.2 billion
March: 31 x 200 = 6.2 billion
April: 17 x 200 = 3.4 billion

Thats 10.6 billion US dollars. For just one shitty invasion?

 

[emrachi]

It's actually not alot, given the type of opponent they're up against. Consider that the United States spent between $100m-$200m (USD) per day, to defeat a far inferior Iraqi military. If you average that out to $150m per day and factor in that this war is 50 days old, that's $7.5 Billion USD. The West has not even provided that much aid yet, where as they probably should have sent TWICE that number in military aid by now, if they were unanimously serious about ensuring a Ukrainian victory.

There is soooo much more that Western European nations such as Germany, France, Italy and Spain could be doing to match the funding and weapons shipments of countries such as USA and Britain.

They got thousands of Javelins and NLAWs that means technically thousands of destroyed tanks and armored vehicles these weapons truly are game changers. That is huge support even if opponent is Russia.

 

[Gary]

Imagine if Putin didn't win by May 9.......

 

[Relic]

They got thousands of Javelins and NLAWs that means technically thousands of destroyed tanks and armored vehicles these weapons truly are game changers. That is huge support even if opponent is Russia.

I'm not saying that they haven't received significant help. I'm simply suggesting that if the West was fully committed to Ukraine winning, they would have already sent dozens of long range artillery systems with counter battery radar, several hundred tanks, up to a thousand infantry fighting vehicles and armored troop carriers, etc.

Given that there are more than 30 international countries supporting Ukraine militarily and fiscally, including some of the biggest economies on the planet, I would have hoped that the world would have committed about $12-$15 billion (USD) in direct military aid to this point, with billions more ready to be committed.

 

[emrachi]

I'm not saying that they haven't received significant help. I'm simply suggesting that if the West was fully committed to Ukraine winning, they would have already sent dozens of long range artilery systems with counter battery radar, several hundred tanks, up to a thousand infantry fighting vehicles and armored troop carriers, etc.

Given that there more than 30 international countries supporting Ukraine militarily and fiscally, including some of the biggest economies on the planet, I would have hoped that the world would have committed about $12-$15 billion (USD) in direct military aid to this point, with billions more ready to be committed.

Agreed the conflict would end after couple of weeks with Ukraine as the winner.