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They have Bora, TRG300 Kasirga, J600T Yildrim
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They have Bora, TRG300 Kasirga, J600T Yildrim
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ye but they have way longer range then the mlrs270 thats why im asking for the equivalent because im not aware of any lel
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I personally believe that Putin will declare mass mobilization on may 9th. Otherwise Russia is going to retreat from all fronts due to the lack of manpower and equipment.
If I were Ukraine I'd be worried. But if I were the West, there is no better chance of significantly degrading Russian army than now. I expect more military aid with the purpose of destroying a huge chunk of Russian military equipment and prevent it from being a conventional military threat to Europe for a very long time. Russian losses as it stands is at ~3400 visually confirmed various military equipment lost as per Oryx source. But despite the losses, Russia has still a vast military reserve to be (on paper) the largest military at least in Europe.
If I were Ukraine I'd be worried. But if I were the West, there is no better chance of significantly degrading Russian army than now. I expect more military aid with the purpose of destroying a huge chunk of Russian military equipment and prevent it from being a conventional military threat to Europe for a very long time. Russian losses as it stands is at ~3400 visually confirmed various military equipment lost as per Oryx source. But despite the losses, Russia has still a vast military reserve to be (on paper) the largest military at least in Europe.
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12 x M270A1mlrs purchased from US uses the M26 rockets. Tubitak Sage reverse engineered these and made Pars-Sage-227F rockets. So the ammunition problems were sorted.
But with their somewhat limited range (32km) and being an older tech the local TRG122 and TRG 230 ; later with TRLG laser guidance were the better choice.
These two are the closest direct comparison rockets to MRLS M270A1. TRG 300 and Bora missiles are in another league, comparable to the top end ATACMS missile systems that have 160km, 300km and 500km ranges; depending on the class of rockets used.
But with their somewhat limited range (32km) and being an older tech the local TRG122 and TRG 230 ; later with TRLG laser guidance were the better choice.
These two are the closest direct comparison rockets to MRLS M270A1. TRG 300 and Bora missiles are in another league, comparable to the top end ATACMS missile systems that have 160km, 300km and 500km ranges; depending on the class of rockets used.
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I expect Russia to start areal bombardments the moment they declare war - I don't talk about close Air support via Mi or SU-scrap... and I doubt that the West will intervene...
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These are likely the heavy artillery like the M777 and PzH 2000s. Both Russia and Ukraine aren't able to take control of Ukraine's sky. So both will resort to artillery.
The M777 and PzH2000 both outrange the Msta-S and Msta-B of the Russian army.
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Edit: Pzh 2000 were mainly transported by rail from Germany and the Netherlands
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Gen. Sec. NATO warned of the threat of an escalation of the war in Ukraine
The Ukrainian side must switch to modern high-quality weapons, the head of the Alliance noted.
The North Atlantic Alliance expects a further escalation of the war in Ukraine in the coming weeks.
This was announced by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in an interview with the Welt am Sonntag newspaper, Deutsche Welle reports.
At the same time, Stoltenberg spoke in favor of continuing arms supplies to Ukraine.
"In the long term, Ukraine cannot defend itself only with Soviet-era weapons, but must switch to modern Western weapons," he said.
At the same time, Stoltenberg warned the Russian Federation against the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
"Our message is unequivocal: the use of nuclear weapons will lead to the fact that on all sides there will be only loosers ," Stoltenberg said.
He stressed that "a nuclear war cannot be won and should never be waged, including by Russia."
The NATO Secretary General also noted that the organization does not have any data indicating that the Russian nuclear arsenal was brought to the highest level of readiness after the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, despite the threats of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
The Ukrainian side must switch to modern high-quality weapons, the head of the Alliance noted.
The North Atlantic Alliance expects a further escalation of the war in Ukraine in the coming weeks.
This was announced by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in an interview with the Welt am Sonntag newspaper, Deutsche Welle reports.
At the same time, Stoltenberg spoke in favor of continuing arms supplies to Ukraine.
"In the long term, Ukraine cannot defend itself only with Soviet-era weapons, but must switch to modern Western weapons," he said.
At the same time, Stoltenberg warned the Russian Federation against the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
"Our message is unequivocal: the use of nuclear weapons will lead to the fact that on all sides there will be only loosers ," Stoltenberg said.
He stressed that "a nuclear war cannot be won and should never be waged, including by Russia."
The NATO Secretary General also noted that the organization does not have any data indicating that the Russian nuclear arsenal was brought to the highest level of readiness after the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, despite the threats of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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Armed Forces of Ukraine expanded counteroffensive in Kharkiv region
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- The Ukrainian counteroffensive along a broad arc north and east of Kharkiv city took further terrain and will likely push Russian forces out of tube artillery range of the city in the coming days. The ability—and willingness—of the Ukrainian military to concentrate the forces in Kharkiv necessary to conduct this operation indicates Ukrainian confidence in repelling ongoing Russian attacks with their existing forces in the region.
- Russian forces did not make any progress on the Izyum axis.
- Russian forces likely secured small gains on the outskirts of Severodonetsk in the last 24 hours but are unlikely to successfully surround the town.
- Russian forces continued assaults on the Azovstal plant, but ISW cannot confirm any specific advances. Likely widespread civilian resistance to the Russian occupation may additionally be disrupting previously announced Russian plans to conduct a Victory Day exhibition in Mariupol.
- There were no significant changes on the southern axis in the last 24 hours and Russian forces continued to reinforce their forward positions.
- ISW cannot confirm reports of a Ukrainian anti-ship missile strike on the Admiral Makarov at this time.
Immediate items to watch
- Russian forces will likely continue to merge offensive efforts southward of Izyum with westward advances from Donetsk in order to encircle Ukrainian troops in southern Kharkiv Oblast and Western Donetsk.
- Russia may change the status of the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics, possibly by merging them into a single “Donbas Republic” and/or by annexing them directly to Russia.
- Russian forces have apparently decided to seize the Azovstal plant through ground assault and will likely continue operations accordingly.
- Ukrainian counteroffensives around Kharkiv City may unhinge Russian positions northeast of the city, possibly forcing the Russians to choose between reinforcing those positions or abandoning them if the Ukrainians continue to press their counter-attack.
- Russian forces may be preparing to conduct renewed offensive operations to capture the entirety of Kherson Oblast in the coming days.
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How ATGM still intact while buggy burned down to her bones?
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Russia lacks of Tanks
Russia no longer has enough modern tanks to continue offensive. For the front, they are hastily modernizing the equipment of the last century, which was inherited from the USSR.
This follows from the contract, which "MO" found on the public procurement portal.
The armored repair plant in Yekaterinburg has taken up the modernization of more than two hundred units of obsolete military equipment. Two lots appeared on the public procurement website for a total amount of more than 85 million rubles, where the subject of the purchase is "Components for tanks and other combat self-propelled armored vehicles."
As follows from the documentation, the company needs to supply 53,000 units of goods. Based on the cost of a unit of goods and the profile of the enterprise, it becomes clear that containers of dynamic protection "Contact-1" should be supplied. The containers purchased under this contract will be enough to provide armor protection for approximately 230 tanks.
Modern equipment should initially be equipped with such containers, so we are talking about the modernization of models of the 1970-1980s, which were not yet equipped with dynamic protection (it prevents cumulative artillery shells from burning through armor). Moreover, "Contact-1" is an outdated protection: in 1985, "Contact-5" was developed. Initially, T-64M, T-72BV, T-72BU, T-80U, UM, BM were equipped with such armor. And the 4th generation Malachite kits are already being installed on the T-90M.
It is obvious that serious losses are pushing for the modernization of obsolete vehicles of the Ministry of Defense. According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian army lost 1,092 tanks in two months of the war (about 10% of the equipment in service).
The fact that the Russian Armed Forces have a shortage of vehicles suitable for combat operations was also recently pointed out by a military analyst from Denmark, Alexander Oliver: he noticed that half as much equipment is participating in the Moscow parade this year as in 2020. In particular, some modern models of tanks are missing.
Russia no longer has enough modern tanks to continue offensive. For the front, they are hastily modernizing the equipment of the last century, which was inherited from the USSR.
This follows from the contract, which "MO" found on the public procurement portal.
The armored repair plant in Yekaterinburg has taken up the modernization of more than two hundred units of obsolete military equipment. Two lots appeared on the public procurement website for a total amount of more than 85 million rubles, where the subject of the purchase is "Components for tanks and other combat self-propelled armored vehicles."
As follows from the documentation, the company needs to supply 53,000 units of goods. Based on the cost of a unit of goods and the profile of the enterprise, it becomes clear that containers of dynamic protection "Contact-1" should be supplied. The containers purchased under this contract will be enough to provide armor protection for approximately 230 tanks.
Modern equipment should initially be equipped with such containers, so we are talking about the modernization of models of the 1970-1980s, which were not yet equipped with dynamic protection (it prevents cumulative artillery shells from burning through armor). Moreover, "Contact-1" is an outdated protection: in 1985, "Contact-5" was developed. Initially, T-64M, T-72BV, T-72BU, T-80U, UM, BM were equipped with such armor. And the 4th generation Malachite kits are already being installed on the T-90M.
It is obvious that serious losses are pushing for the modernization of obsolete vehicles of the Ministry of Defense. According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian army lost 1,092 tanks in two months of the war (about 10% of the equipment in service).
The fact that the Russian Armed Forces have a shortage of vehicles suitable for combat operations was also recently pointed out by a military analyst from Denmark, Alexander Oliver: he noticed that half as much equipment is participating in the Moscow parade this year as in 2020. In particular, some modern models of tanks are missing.
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The Russians are moving to a warplan "Attrition"
The expert also believes that it is necessary to destroy the Crimean bridge, because through it is , a very large supply of Russian troops goes.
The Russian military understands that the war was planned with a mistake that will lead to a catastrophe in terms of the loss of combat capability of the Russian armed forces.
This was stated by military expert Oleg Zhdanov, Novoye Vremya writes.
“Two weeks ago, when the second wave of the offensive in the Donbass began, a group of officers in the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces prepared an analytical report justifying the expediency of abandoning this second wave in order to preserve at least part of the combat-ready troops,” Zhdanov writes.
The main option that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will offer Putin in the near future is covert mobilization in several stages.
"In general, they are going to put under arms somewhere around 400-450 thousand by the end of the year. The first stage will be somewhere around 100-150 thousand, and it will begin somewhere after May 9.
The Russians are clearly moving to a war of attrition plan and will try to stretch this mobilization in time.
Although the main factor is missing, Russia does not have time. Mobilization, especially covert, will go very slowly (unless, of course, they don’t organize raids in certain regions of the Russian Federation.
In addition, they will have to remove equipment already not from the points of permanent deployment, where it actually did not remain, but from storage places where it is in a very poor technical condition. And it will be Soviet, not modernized equipment, "the expert believes.
The expert also believes that it is necessary to destroy the Crimean bridge, because through it is , a very large supply of Russian troops goes.
The Russian military understands that the war was planned with a mistake that will lead to a catastrophe in terms of the loss of combat capability of the Russian armed forces.
This was stated by military expert Oleg Zhdanov, Novoye Vremya writes.
“Two weeks ago, when the second wave of the offensive in the Donbass began, a group of officers in the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces prepared an analytical report justifying the expediency of abandoning this second wave in order to preserve at least part of the combat-ready troops,” Zhdanov writes.
The main option that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will offer Putin in the near future is covert mobilization in several stages.
"In general, they are going to put under arms somewhere around 400-450 thousand by the end of the year. The first stage will be somewhere around 100-150 thousand, and it will begin somewhere after May 9.
The Russians are clearly moving to a war of attrition plan and will try to stretch this mobilization in time.
Although the main factor is missing, Russia does not have time. Mobilization, especially covert, will go very slowly (unless, of course, they don’t organize raids in certain regions of the Russian Federation.
In addition, they will have to remove equipment already not from the points of permanent deployment, where it actually did not remain, but from storage places where it is in a very poor technical condition. And it will be Soviet, not modernized equipment, "the expert believes.
