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Still irrelevant, guided bombs are not new, Russian VKS has already employed those since 2015 in Syria (against rebels with no AD systems). Deploying those will only have minimal effect on the general situation. The thing is, guided bombs still meant that VKS CAS planes would need to fly deep into Ukraine's contested airspace, where local medium to high altitude air defense crew are eagerly waiting.
Maybe the Russians thought like you and tried to add Wings in order to be able to throw the guided bomb from a farther distance from the front line without risking the plane that will drop the guided bomb. Although if they had called Afif, he would have done this faster, but whatever!

There are reports on the internet that the Russians will buy guided bombs or guidance kits from Iran for now.
 

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Maybe the Russians thought like you and tried to add Wings in order to be able to throw the guided bomb from a farther distance from the front line without risking the plane that will drop the guided bomb. Although if they had called Afif, he would have done this faster, but whatever!

There are reports on the internet that the Russians will buy guided bombs or guidance kits from Iran for now.

The state of the Russians how they have to buy from Iran 😆

Remember how the Russian MIC rivalled the American MIC.

How times have changed.
 

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Maybe the Russians thought like you and tried to add Wings in order to be able to throw the guided bomb from a farther distance from the front line without risking the plane that will drop the guided bomb.
Depending altitude and aerodynamics. At best " winged " glide bombs gliding range is ~20km. Most of the time the carry aircraft will still have to enter hotly contested airspace. Higher altitude correspond to longer throw distance, but as the VKS found it the hard way early in the war, flying too high meant that they're vulnerable to medium-high altitude AD. Now we do know that Ukraine medium-high altitude AD are being bolstered by some the industry best (sky sabre, IRIS-T, Patriot Pac-2 etc) hence even if VKS somehow manage to improve the accuracy of its loadout. It's still irrelevant and hardly with any significant effect to the general battlefield situation.

A future addition of active radar homing missile equipped fighter jet like the F-16C to the Ukrainians would complicate the VKS mission even more.
 

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Depending altitude and aerodynamics. At best " winged " glide bombs gliding range is ~20km. Most of the time the carry aircraft will still have to enter hotly contested airspace. Higher altitude correspond to longer throw distance, but as the VKS found it the hard way early in the war, flying too high meant that they're vulnerable to medium-high altitude AD. Now we do know that Ukraine medium-high altitude AD are being bolstered by some the industry best (sky sabre, IRIS-T, Patriot Pac-2 etc) hence even if VKS somehow manage to improve the accuracy of its loadout. It's still irrelevant and hardly with any significant effect to the general battlefield situation.

A future addition of active radar homing missile equipped fighter jet like the F-16C to the Ukrainians would complicate the VKS mission even more.
The Russians want no part of any of the newer model / variant F-16s. Russia doesn't have enough advanced dog fighters and air superiority fighters to even risk them entering Patriot / Iris-T / SAMP/T protected air space, to try and challenge the F-16's. Even if they did get through Ukrainian air defense and were able to penetrate deeper into Ukraine, it's not obvious that they would fair well in combat against the F-16s.
 

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Nice! The Sea Sparrow is a reasonably cheap, but effective alternative to some of Ukraine's other air defense capabilities. Especially against drones and the like. Shorter ranged, but really precise. I'd be curious to know (not that they'll tell us) how many Ukrainian BUK launchers are basically in a state of storage because they don't have adequate Russian made missiles for them. 500 (as an example) Sea Sparrow missiles could go a long way in bringing a lot of those platforms back on line.
 

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The TOW capability of the Bradley is what really makes it a significant upgrade for the Ukrainians. While not a javelin, TOW is still a very capable anti-armor weapon, good out to about 3000 meters. Ukraine can wreck a lot of Russian armor if they can get their hands on a couple hundred Bradleys.
 

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AMX-10 is still good for some concrete/fortification busting. Anything that shoot is welcome and Ukraine is in no position to pick what weapons they have.
Still not a Tank though
 

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Imagine fleeing your own home because of the war only for your second home to be engulfed in war again.
 

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If I remember correctly There is Czech air defence system that merge BUK platform with Italian equivalent of Sparrow missile, isn't it?
I forgot its name.

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Found it: KUB CZ with Aspide missile.
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Expecting something like this but with Sea Sparrow.
 
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What's the endgame here? The weapons that NATO members are sending to Ukraine are by no means enough to push the Russians out of Ukraine. Are we trying to wear out Russia? A nation that is historically famous for enduring inhuman conditions without even caring about the consequences?

Where are we in this war and how can NATO make sure Russia actually gets defeated?
 

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Still not a Tank though
I don't think Ukraine is particularly short on tanks, especially as more T-72s flow in from the Czech Republic and Poland in 2023. I think you'll see about 150-200 more of them come into the country via the international community. Many of them are / will be in the process of being upgraded and retrofitted.

I do think that Leopards or Abrams (or both) will eventually end up in Ukraine, but I think T-72s are fine for now. I actually think there was / is a bigger need for fast, mobile, well armed IFVs in Ukraine. Especially as they turn to offensive operations.

Would like to see the following flow into Ukraine by year's end, at a Minimum...

500 Bradley M2s and M3s (USA)
100 Marders (Germany)
50 Warriors (Britain)
50 LAV 6.0 (Canada)

I'd also like to see Germany agree to send Turkey 50 so extra Leopard 2's (from storage), in exchange for them sending 100-150 or so upgraded, American made M60A3TTS Pattons (at a 2 or 3 to 1 replacement). The M60's are older, but much easier for the Ukrainians to handle logistically than the Abrams and they upgraded version is still quite capable, especially against some of the older, Soviet junk that Russians are fielding.
 

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What's the endgame here? The weapons that NATO members are sending to Ukraine are by no means enough to push the Russians out of Ukraine. Are we trying to wear out Russia? A nation that is historically famous for enduring inhuman conditions without even caring about the consequences?

Where are we in this war and how can NATO make sure Russia actually gets defeated?
We're escalating slowly, gauging the Kremlin's reaction, while clearing out the backlog of mostly obsolete Western weapons, which will allow for the purchase of a lot of new toys among the Western countries. In the process, we're bleeding the Russian army (and thus its threat) dry for a generation and deeply hurting the Russian (they're not our friends) economy at the same time. This will be the cheapest price the NATO and its allies will ever have to pay to clean out Russia of its Soviet war arsenal. Ukraine is a willing combatant and the West's interests (the neutering of Russia) are being served.

Make no mistake, the West is fine with this dragging out and costing Russia copious lives and resources. The West has frozen roughly $350 Billion of Russian assets that they'll eventually approve the redistribution of. By comparison, they collectively spent something like $50 Billion supporting Ukraine in 2022. There is PLENTY more to spend before it's actually a spending burden for the West.

There is about 950 million people that live in NATO countries. That number jumps to about 1 billion people when you add the other countries (such as Australia) that are also supporting Ukraine. If we spend $100 Billion making Russia's life miserable, that's only $100 per person living in a NATO country. That's a complete drop in the bucket. By comparison, Canada alone, spent more than $500 Billion dollars to combat the Covid-19 pandemic. That's what ONE NATO country spent. If Canada puts out $5-7 Billion as it's share of spending on Ukraine, that's absolutely NOTHING.
 
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He said they aren't.
They'll make due for now. That's largely what Russia is using on the other side and the defender (especially backed by Western intelligence) has a huge advantage.
 

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What's the endgame here? The weapons that NATO members are sending to Ukraine are by no means enough to push the Russians out of Ukraine.
What about Hostomel, Sumy, izyum, Mariupol etc ? The weapon delivery works.

More weapons = less Russian hold on Ukraine soil.

A nation that is historically famous for enduring inhuman conditions without even caring about the consequences?
They will now. Because they have to. In the past western powers are there to back Russia up. See Napoleonic wars, WW1 and WW2, not this time though.

In the past Russia is a growing country, today its population is in a reversible decline. So they'll have to tread carefully this time. Russia just couldn't absorb the same amounts of hit like they used to + modern Russians post 90s aren't used to the same hardship Russian endure through most of the country history. modern Russians just don't grow crops or live in the ranch like Babushka used to during their youth. So there's no similarities in psyche whatsoever here.
 

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