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[Turko]

Peskov: Ukraine is completely lost to Russia



Peskov assessed the state of relations between Ukraine and Russia

The Kremlin is concerned about Ukraine's aspirations to join NATO and the hostility of the country's authorities towards Russia.

Ukraine is completely lost to Russia as a partner and ally, said the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov in an interview with RTVI.

https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/4428834-peskov-ukrayna-polnostui-poteriana-dlia-rossyy

"Is Ukraine now lost as a partner, ally and so on, at this stage, yes, completely," he said.

The Kremlin spokesman also noted the "hostility of the Ukrainian authorities" towards Russia.

"You see the hostility of the Ukrainian authorities towards Russia, you see concrete actions to chop off all the ends that have at least some relation to Russia. That is, they are simply chopped off from capillaries to the central arteries in our bilateral relations. More precisely, they have already been chopped off. , so there is no relationship as such, "Peskov emphasized.

He also noted Russia's concern over Ukraine’s course towards NATO membership.

"Ukraine directly officially, in fact at the legislative level, declares its intention to join NATO. This is very bad for us, because in this way the military infrastructure of NATO begins to move, drift towards our borders," Peskov said.

At the same time, Peskov believes that Russians and Ukrainians will remain fraternal peoples.

Earlier, the Russian Foreign Ministry published draft agreements on security guarantees and agreements on security measures for the Russian Federation and NATO member states.

In response, the White House said that the United States would not conduct consultations on security in Europe without allies in the EU.

 

[Turko]

Более половины украинцев готовы оказать сопротивление в случае вторжения РФ

Треть граждан Украины готовы оказать вооруженное сопротивление. Ничего бы не делали - 18% опрошенных.

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More than half of Ukrainians are ready to resist in the event of an invasion of the Russian Federation

December 17, 2021, 17:20



Ukrainians are ready to resist in the event of a Russian invasion

A third of Ukrainian citizens are ready to provide armed resistance. Wouldn't do anything - 18% of the respondents.

More than half of Ukrainians are ready to resist in the event of a military invasion by Russia. Moreover, every third person is ready to do this with arms in hand. This is evidenced by the results of a survey of the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, published on Friday, December 17.

Thus, the respondents were asked the question "In the event of an armed intervention on the part of Russia in your city or village, would you have resorted to any actions and if" yes ", then to which ones?"

According to the results of the poll, it turned out that every third - 33.3% - is ready to provide armed resistance. Are ready to resist by participating in civil resistance actions - 21.7%.

In general, 50.2% of Ukrainians are ready to resist in one way or another. Among other options - would have left for a safer region - 14.8%, would have gone abroad - 9.3%, would not have done anything - 18.6%. Another 12.1% found it difficult to answer, and 1.1% refused to answer the question.

In regional terms, the willingness to resist varies from 60.5% in the West to 37.2% in the East. Willingness to provide armed resistance - from 39.7% in the West to 25.6% in the East.

 

[Anastasius]

Russian proposals to the US and NATO published

17 December 2021, 13:25


The Russian Foreign Ministry expects that on the basis of the draft treaty and agreement, the United States will soon enter into serious negotiations with Russia.

During the meeting at the Russian Foreign Ministry on December 15, the American side received draft agreements between the Russian Federation and the United States on security guarantees and agreements on security measures for Russia and the member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. This was reported by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

"The necessary explanations of the logic of the Russian approach were given in a detailed form, the corresponding arguments were presented. We expect that on the basis of our draft treaty and agreement, the United States will soon enter into serious negotiations with Russia on a critical issue for maintaining peace and stability," in the message.

The document includes the following items:

RF offers NATO to undertake to exclude further expansion and accession to the alliance of Ukraine;

The Russian Federation and NATO undertake not to deploy intermediate and shorter-range missiles in areas from where they can hit each other's territory, the Russian project says;

RF invites NATO to consolidate the agreement to peacefully resolve all disputes and refrain from the use of force;

The Russian Federation and the United States do not use the territory of other countries to prepare or carry out an attack on each other;

The Russian Federation and NATO must commit themselves not to create conditions that can be regarded as a threat, the Russian draft says;

The Russian Federation and the United States undertake not to conduct military exercises with the development of scenarios for the use of nuclear weapons;

The Russian Federation and the United States undertake not to prepare the military of non-nuclear countries to use nuclear weapons;

RF invites NATO to confirm that they do not regard each other as adversaries;

The Russian Federation and the United States undertake not to deploy nuclear weapons abroad and return those already deployed, as well as eliminate the infrastructure for the deployment of nuclear weapons outside their territory;

RF offers NATO to abandon any military activity in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Transcaucasia, Central Asia;

The Russian Federation and the United States undertake not to deploy intermediate and shorter-range missiles abroad and in areas from where they can hit targets on the territory of the other side;

The Russian Federation offers NATO not to deploy additional military and weapons outside the countries in which they were in May 1997 (before the accession of the Eastern European countries to the alliance) - except in exceptional cases with consent

If Russia doesn't want NATO to regard Russia as an adversary, then why the insistence that Ukraine must not be allowed to join? Surely Russia won't care since NATO is not an adversary?

 

[blackjack]

Russia doesn't need a war. For what?

It seems to be the Ukraine and NATO that need a war for some reason. They want something, they're not getting it so they start to warn and promise some big war or whatever. In Russia there's absolutely nothing said about this.

 

[Turko]

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Russia doesn't need a war. For what?

It seems to be the Ukraine and NATO that need a war for some reason. They want something, they're not getting it so they start to warn and promise some big war or whatever. In Russia there's absolutely nothing said about this.

How were you able to be informed in USA from RF? Your nation of origin with your flag doesn't seem to match.

İf RF didn't need a war, what would you call the things happening In Donetsk and Lugansk ?
LoL



170k Russian soldiers at the Ukrainian border not Americans.



In Donbass, four attacks per day

TEXT: ELENA KACHUROVSKAYA, 18 December 2021, 07:59



There were four attacks in Donbass on Friday

The Ukrainian military passed yesterday without losses, despite the shelling from grenade launchers and small arms.

Over the past day, the separatists in the Donbas violated the ceasefire four times. There are no losses among the Armed Forces. This was announced on Saturday morning, December 18, at the press center of the Joint Forces operation headquarters.

In particular, in the direction of Maysky, the enemy fired from automatic easel grenade launchers. Near Novotoshkovsky, there was shelling from grenade launchers of various systems and small arms. In the direction of Novolugansk, the mercenaries opened fire twice, using automatic easel grenade launchers and small arms.

It is noted that there are no losses among the military personnel of the Joint Forces as a result of the actions of the enemy.

The headquarters noted that no ceasefire violation was recorded at the beginning of the current day.

We will remind, the day before it was reported about five attacks. One soldier was killed, one was wounded.

Separatists hold 300 prisoners in Donbass - Ombudsman

 

[Turko]

US prepares new aid package for Ukraine - White House

18 December 2021,





States will continue to provide military assistance to Ukraine


Many types of products that Washington can send to Kiev are being considered, said Biden's adviser.

Washington is preparing additional military assistance to Kiev. The decision to grant it will be made by US President Joe Biden. This was announced on Friday, December 17, by the assistant to the American leader for national security Jake Sullivan, speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations.



"We are constantly assessing the additional needs that Ukraine has, making up potential packages. And these packages are being actively considered," the official said.

According to him, many types of products are currently being considered that Washington can send to Kiev as military assistance. The final decision on further steps in this direction rests with the President of the United States, Sullivan said.

"At the moment, we continue to provide assistance to Ukraine in the field of defense. Just last week, another package arrived in Ukraine with this assistance, and more will arrive," he added.

According to US media reports, the White House is studying the possibility of sending military equipment to Ukraine, including helicopters, which was originally intended for Afghanistan.

As reported, US senators approved the draft US defense budget for 2022 in the amount of $ 778 billion, providing for the allocation of $ 300 million to support Ukraine.

Prior to this, the Ukrainian authorities turned to the US administration with a request to transfer to Kiev part of the American weapons that were intended for Afghanistan before the Taliban seized power there.

 

[RogerRanger]

Have the Russians got on with it yet, the suspense is killing me here.

 

[Turko]

Ukraine asks the US for Patriot SAMs - media

Украина просит у США системы ПО Patriot - СМИ

Киев просит Вашингтон увеличить военную помощь, и, среди прочего, просит предоставить системы противовоздушной обороны.

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Kiev is asking Washington to increase military assistance, and, among other things, is asking for air defense systems.

Ukraine is asking the US to provide it with Patriot air defense systems amid the threat of a new Russian attack. This is reported by CNN, citing informed sources in the White House.

At the same time, Biden is still weighing whether it is worth sending additional weapons to Kiev after the supply of Javelin missiles, Island patrol boats, etc. in the past few months.

Jake Sullivan, the US President's National Security Adviser, believes that sending another shipment of weapons may somehow be regarded by Moscow as provocative actions.

However, the United States does not rule out the sending of additional weapons, which Sullivan publicly confirmed during his speech on December 17. The only thing that, according to the channel's interlocutors, Washington will not do is not to deploy its troops in Ukraine.

As reported, US senators approved the draft US defense budget for 2022 in the amount of $ 778 billion, providing for the allocation of $ 300 million to support Ukraine.

Prior to this, the Ukrainian authorities turned to the US administration with a request to transfer to Kiev part of the American weapons that were intended for Afghanistan before the Taliban seized power there.

 

[Turko]

US on invasion of Ukraine: Putin has not decided yet

18 December 2021, 05:24



Jake Sullivan, Assistant to the President of the United States for Homeland Security

США о вторжении в Украину: Путин пока не решил

В Белом доме выразили уверенность, что данные американской разведки о стягивании войск РФ к границе с Украиной верны.

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The White House expressed confidence that the data of American intelligence about the pulling of Russian troops to the border with Ukraine is correct.

Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to have yet to make a final decision on the invasion of Ukraine. This was stated by the assistant to the American leader for national security, Jake Sullivan, speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations on Friday, December 17.

"The current assessment of the US government is that he (Putin - ed.) Has not yet made a decision. So there are no changes in this regard compared to last week," the official replied to a journalist's question about the Kremlin's intentions regarding Ukraine.

At the same time, Sullivan expressed confidence that the data of American intelligence about the pulling of Russian troops to the border with Ukraine are correct.

“I have high confidence in our ability to see what constituted a significant Russian military build-up near Ukraine. <...> I also believe that the analysis prepared by the US intelligence community, indicating that the Russian government is seriously considering This exercise prepares operational planning for it, "the White House spokesman said.

In this regard, he noted, the United States called on allies and partners, in particular in Europe, to jointly declare to Moscow about the consequences in case of an attempt to seize Ukrainian territories.

 

[blackjack]

How were you able to be informed in USA from RF? Your nation of origin with your flag doesn't seem to match.

İf RF didn't need a war, what would you call the things happening In Donetsk and Lugansk ?
LoL



170k Russian soldiers at the Ukrainian border not Americans.



In Donbass, four attacks per day

TEXT: ELENA KACHUROVSKAYA, 18 December 2021, 07:59



There were four attacks in Donbass on Friday

The Ukrainian military passed yesterday without losses, despite the shelling from grenade launchers and small arms.

Over the past day, the separatists in the Donbas violated the ceasefire four times. There are no losses among the Armed Forces. This was announced on Saturday morning, December 18, at the press center of the Joint Forces operation headquarters.

In particular, in the direction of Maysky, the enemy fired from automatic easel grenade launchers. Near Novotoshkovsky, there was shelling from grenade launchers of various systems and small arms. In the direction of Novolugansk, the mercenaries opened fire twice, using automatic easel grenade launchers and small arms.

It is noted that there are no losses among the military personnel of the Joint Forces as a result of the actions of the enemy.

The headquarters noted that no ceasefire violation was recorded at the beginning of the current day.

We will remind, the day before it was reported about five attacks. One soldier was killed, one was wounded.

Separatists hold 300 prisoners in Donbass - Ombudsman

Yes military build up on borders is nothing new, The Russians have no benefits being allies with a economic leech of a country anyways. Ukraine released TB2s the seperatists fired back at troops with artillery play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[blackjack]

If we are to exclude the syrians I am assuming some TB2 ended up in Russia which I guess is from Ukraine

 

[Anastasius]

Yes military build up on borders is nothing new, The Russians have no benefits being allies with a economic leech of a country anyways. Ukraine released TB2s the seperatists fired back at troops with artillery play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Think you got it backwards, the separatist/Russian artillery was firing on Ukrainian positions and Ukrainians responded with a TB2 strike. Par for the course with Russian disinformation to state the course of events front to back.

If we are to exclude the syrians I am assuming some TB2 ended up in Russia which I guess is from Ukraine View attachment 37419

Why would you exclude Syria? Or Libya? We actually know that drones got knocked down there, I have yet to hear anything concrete from Ukraine.

 

[blackjack]

Think you got it backwards, the separatist/Russian artillery was firing on Ukrainian positions and Ukrainians responded with a TB2 strike. Par for the course with Russian disinformation to state the course of events front to back.

got any news before october 27 that they shelled ukrainians?

 

[Turko]

Ukraine has a plan in case of an invasion of the Russian Federation - Danilov



Russia is building up troops near the border with Ukraine, according to American intelligence

All spheres that can be used for defense will take part in the defense of the Ukrainian territory, the NSDC secretary said.

In the event of an invasion of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine, the authorities developed a defense plan. This was announced on Saturday, December 18, by NSDC Secretary Alexei Danilov in an interview on Apostrof TV.

According to him, the Ukrainian leadership has prescribed a detailed action plan for each department and structure.

"For the first time in the history of the country, all departments will be involved in the event of an invasion of the Russian Federation," Danilov said.

He stressed that earlier it was planned to use a narrower number of specialists, but now the defense strategy has been expanded.

"Previously, the defense plan was the General Staff, the Armed Forces and groups that are related to the security and defense sector. This defense plan is a broader document. All departments related to this have already been identified as structures that will take part in this. ", - he said.

Danilov noted that it cannot be such that some bodies will be involved, "while others will look from the outside, how it will all end.


We remind that Russia continues to accumulate troops near the Ukrainian border. This is evidenced by data on social networks and satellite data, according to a study by DFRLab.

 

[Turko]

Ben Wallace: Britain is ‘highly unlikely’ to send troops to Ukraine

Russia is readying for an invasion of Ukraine. Kiev says that 100,000 Russian troops have now amassed at their eastern border, and the CIA thinks that Putin could have 175,000 soldiers stationed for an offensive by the end of January. If conflict comes, it now seems certain that Ukraine will be...

www.spectator.co.uk

The Defence Secretary said:

“‘It’s a fact it’s not a member of Nato, so it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to send troops into Ukraine to challenge Russia… We shouldn’t kid people on that we would.’

 

[Khagan1923]

The west shows again its cowardice. Putin swallowing up Ukraine and Belarus doesn affect their pockets so they will do nothing against it other than harsh words that in the end mean nothing.

Only when the Russians threaten West-European borders will they suddenly prepare and be ready for a conflict. Not realizing that they have already lost the game by not playing it.

Germany,France and Britain do not have the capability nor the menpower to stop a steamroll by the Russian Armed Forces if it comes to it. Instead they will sacrifice sanctions and the lives of those in east europe to "tame" the bear.

I'm sure they will also find time to sanction the one country actually actively combatting Russia. They always do.

 

[Turko]

In fact currently Ukraine doesn't need any foreign troops. For start, western SAM systems would be enough , building up Air Force with F16s will take long time..More UAVs, javelins and STINGERs also would be good.

 

[Khagan1923]

In fact currently Ukraine doesn't need any foreign troops. For start, western SAM systems would be enough , building up Air Force with F16s will take long time..More UAVs, javelins and STINGERs also would be good.

I dont see Ukraine getting access to Patriot or SAMP-T, well maybe SAMP-T.

Maybe France might push the SAMP-T deal through. It also has Anti-Ballistic capabilities. But would Ukraine get Aster 30 Block 0 (without BMD) or Block 1 (with BMD)?

Otherwise they should turn their focus on other AD Systems.Hisar/Siper(Turkey) or Iris-T Family(Germany), Iris-T only has one costumer right now with Egypt so delivery could happen fast for Ukraine.

F-16 Block 72 they might but until they would get the first one half a decade would pass as the line is full unless they buy second hand block 10/15 but those are pretty useless nowadays without any modernization. Too much time. If possible Gripen NG is the better go to Fighter for Ukraine. Gripen can also be equipped with AIM-120 and AIM-9. Also Meteor if Ukraine can get access to it.


Javelins the US delivered very late the last time. I think depending on the US too much won't end well. The US has no interest in conflict with Russia and wants to focus solely on China. So it will sacrifice its interest in Europe to satisfy the Russians. Ukraine should aquire Spike family of Missiles, I dont see why Israel would have a reason to block the sale. NLOS for its helicopters and Land Vehicles as well as Spike-LR II for its infantry.

Maybe even Brimstone.

Mistral, Sungur > Stinger. If Ukraine wants Manpads those two should take priority over Stinger Missiles.

 

[Turko]

NATO will not compromise with Russia - Stoltenberg

EXCLUSIF. Le secrétaire général de l'Otan, Jens Stoltenberg : "L'Ukraine a le droit de se défendre"

Le secrétaire général de l'Alliance atlantique, Jens Stoltenberg, indique au JDD pourquoi il refuse l'exigence de Moscou de neutraliser l'Ukraine.

www.lejdd.fr

Stoltenberg noted that if Russia decides to use military force against Ukraine, it will have to pay a "high price".

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the alliance will never compromise with the Russian Federation on the security of Ukraine. He said this in an interview with the newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche.

“We will never compromise on the security of our allies, or on the right of each country, including Ukraine, to decide its own destiny. These are fundamental principles that have been reaffirmed not only by the Alliance, but also by Russia, which signed such documents. like the 1975 Helsinki Final Act or the 1990 Charter of Paris, "Stoltenberg said.

According to him, Ukraine is a sovereign state and has the right to defend itself in accordance with the UN Charter.

Stoltenberg noted that if Russia decides to use military force against Ukraine, it will have to pay a "high price".

"There will be tougher economic and political sanctions, and we will ensure the security of each of our participating countries," the NATO Secretary General said.

 

[blackjack]

Russia has no interest in curbstomping Ukraine because there is nothing worth of that country worth taking, I bet this same repetitive boring news will get tiresome for a month, with the Russians are going to invade any day now news.