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Knowledgeseeker said:
Why is russia using old jets like su 25? Most of the jets shot down used to be old ones apart from su-35
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SU-25 has a very different role than SU-35. It is the equilevant of A-10 for Russian Air Forces. The question is why won't we see any Su34's? Russia used them a lot in Syria and seem to be main aircraft for ground attack role for Russian Air Forces. It should be perfect for taking out enemy air defence wepaons.

Well actually nothing make sense about Russian Air Force in this war. I can only think that their combat readiness should be very very low but I am having a hard time believing that.
 
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Take into account NATO are doing everything they can to learn about Russian military doctrine, it makes sense Russia 'does the most with the least' to prevent NATO on gathering intelligence. They haven't committed majority of their army yet either.


Barzani said:
Reading some of these posts are ridiculous, though I understand the desire to see the Russian's lose.

The Russians haven't even committed a quarter-third of their forces yet, just the vanguard of conscripts, are sieging Kiev and have already cut Ukraine off from a majority of energy and power supply.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497364250607640582

This is all within a few days. Compare that to other military conflicts. Ukraine ia far more advanced than ISIS and is losing ground far faster. Russia shouldn't be underestimated here. Using Western sources as absolute truth that Russia is losing just because it's what you want to hear is ridiculous. Fellow over-enthusiastic members, Poland could not take Russia, Turkey could not 1v1 Russia. These are ridiculous claims. The British have announced the Russians have lost around 500 personnel and I believe this is far more accurate than over 2000.

Otherwise we'd see far more footage then reshares of the same two convoys (which in terms of forces Russia has committed, is insignificant). Speaking of footage, look at this! It's insane. Russian helicopters penetrating deep and taking out AA being transported as cargo etc. The frontlines are moving faster than Ukraine can position their forces in defence.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497379389041958913

The main mistake Russia has made is the conscript vanguard are going fast but skipping the Ukrainian forces where they can, leaving Ukrainian AT teams e.t.c. the space they need to ambush logistical forces. But that's what the other 2/3rds of the army are for. The resistance is nowhere near enough at the moment to stall Russia significantly from what I've seen so far. Strong sanctions and prolonging the war by twenty days or so will bring the Russians to the negotiating table, as time will allow for counter attacks to be coordinated but I doubt sanctions are going to follow on a level that would force Russia to reconsider within a short time frame.

I'm very skeptical based on the amount of western noise on social media in supporting Ukraine with some of the claims. I believe the purpose is to shore up Ukraine to prevent a total collapse until the conflict becomes stagnant.

From an American perspective, the separatists are already separate from Ukraine and the debate is centered on this. Americans are just hoping the rest of Ukraine does not follow suit. As it is now, the rest of Ukraine is going to struggle to be economically viable.

Secondly in the event of war Turkey can close the bosphorus. This isn't occurring because Russia is not as weak as some of you guys are saying. Secondly, Zelenksy tweeting thanks to Erdogan for closing the bosphorus was not a translation error from their meeting, Ukraine is trying hard to get Turkey on board. Hence Ukraine also tweeting that TB2's are striking convoys etc, but not actually releasing footage. Russia is an ally of Azerbaijan and the geopolitical implications of that for Turkey extend far more than militarily. They said their own plane that Russia downed was Russian - despite the paint scheme being Ukranian here. They're losing badly and the West is too slow to react appropriately at the moment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497051163920936983

That being said, discussion is always invited.

Look at these maps and then look at where Ukrainian wheat, coal, gas, nuclear power plants are.

www.theguardian.com

Russia’s war in Ukraine: complete guide in maps, video and pictures

Where is fighting happening and how did we get here?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Ryder said:
Su25 frogfoots are not made for dogfights.

Are the Russians crazy or just stupid to be honest.

To be sending ground attack aircraft all by itself.
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Remember we are only getting piecemeal footage....we dont know what the formations were and how a/c might have got separated from each other etc...
 
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Barzani said:
Take into account NATO are doing everything they can to learn about Russian military doctrine, it makes sense Russia 'does the most with the least' to prevent NATO on gathering intelligence. They haven't committed majority of their army yet either.
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Seems they are not doing it very well
 
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Barzani said:
Take into account NATO are doing everything they can to learn about Russian military doctrine, it makes sense Russia 'does the most with the least' to prevent NATO on gathering intelligence. They haven't committed majority of their army yet either.
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Its fairly obvious by now its the B or even C team mostly in these units used so far....

But it is (IMO) clear they expected some manner of capitulation from Ukraine by now...given there is no good investment into logistics supply and protection.

Now Russia seems to be approaching big fork in road on some key decisions how to proceed.
 
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