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CNN: “Breaking News” Shipment of first heavy weapons to arrive in Ukraine TODAY…

This is surreal! Man, just give the co-ordinates and the hour of shipment on a live show.

EDIT: Just like Somalia, remember the live broadcast, US marines in heavy combat gear come out of the water, recorded by countless TV cameras, and correspondants were running around at the beach to interview with soldiers!
 

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Russian are gathering together whatever spent Forces battle of Kiev remain and soon sent them back to meat grinder battlefield on the Eastern Donbass front where most of Ukraine veteran regular combat units located. There is between 65-77 BTG from arohnd 133 BTG commited to the war efforts left in Ukraine and they would be supplemented by around 60,000 hastily assembled conscript or reserve units to add the number. This is insane as those conscript and reserve is only being sent to the death, in this kind of war when the equipment is quite in balance, what more determined is experience, doctrine and tactical deployment,in which the Ukraine veteran is in much better position.
 

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I dont believe all these stories about arresting generals etc. Unlike Stalin, Putin never punishes anyone for incompetence. What matters for Putin is only a personal loyality.

Sometimes prison is form of protection
 

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I dont believe all these stories about arresting generals etc. Unlike Stalin, Putin never punishes anyone for incompetence. What matters for Putin is only a personal loyality.
It is in the human nature, to blame others standing next to you, for the failure!
 

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If this is indeed a delivery of TB2's it means they have no more tb2's left in their inventory. They pretty much all got destroyed.
There are other more logical, plausible anwsers.......but you went other way ............
It is fine too ........just I would like to say that I like jokers
 
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Indeed, I was using all steel construction as the "best" case scenario here (survivability etc given its superior strength and overall material properties). Moskva would be of that traditional generation as well.

Everything doubly and triply applies etc for aluminium being used in significant parts or even the superstructure basis...not sure if any hulls are made (at this relative size class i.e frigates, destroyers, cruisers etc.) out of Al alloy, @Anmdt would be in better position to know


Useful reference for interested members regd steel vs aluminium in warships:

By the by, and freakishly coincidentally.... acquaintance of mine served on USS Belknap (mentioned in this paper a few times given its aluminium superstructure and accident's effect on it as case study)

Seeing what happened with Moskva, he told me this earlier:

Part of me has a slight twinge of sorrow seeing that particular ship go down because we (Belknap) and then-Slava were together at Malta in 1989 for the Presidential Summit.

A nice looking ship then and we had some limited exchanges on board each ship.

Obviously none of either crew is still in service.

Now both ships are reefs.

In closing - good shooting Ukrainians!!
It is right, the aluminum sections are rather individuals and they don't contribute to the global strength. Common practices i have seen; masts and exhaust section mainly made of aluminum (for the mast, aluminum is also useful for allowing more thickness at lower weight), in some cases helicopter hangar.

In some cases it is used at greater extends on whole supperstructure to save weight or to meet stability criteria if the ship is shallow draft or narrow due to the some requirements.

I doubt if moskva had mixed material use too.
 

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No offense to you or your effort, and I am hardly a man of all virtues, I still would like to ask, how is this sick relationship related to the topic?
After invasion of East Germany at the end of WW2, Russians raped every single German woman.
 

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