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The work of aviation on the fortified areas of Ukrainians in Avdiivka
 
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The work of aviation on the fortified areas of Ukrainians in Avdiivka
dropping fabs with zero to no precision still lmao.

Its funny how russians have nothing even comparable to F16

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US sniper pod and Turkish Aselpod side by side russians doesn't even have any of these.
 
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F-16s are shit su-35s and su-34s are better.
F-16 might be smaller. But its weapon option are more numerous and advanced than any VKS fighters carries.

The only downside of the F-16 is its combat radius, understandable because it's a small jet.
 
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F-16s are shit su-35s and su-34s are better.
Good at what exactly? Average F16 block 40 CCIP fighter outperform Su 35s radar. Plus F16 has better avionics with counter measure systems.

Also F16s ECW module can f*ck up any vks flying scrap.

su 34 is so advanced that 9 of them were lost to air defences because they couldn't fire PGMs. lol

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F-16 might be smaller. But its weapon option are more numerous and advanced than any VKS fighters carries.

The only downside of the F-16 is its combat radius, understandable because it's a small jet.
Still prefer the air to ground options and powerful radar on the su-35 with RCS pai t treatment for a 4th gen. Drones are going to be the next option for the future to even perform air to air tasks.
 
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Still prefer the air to ground options and powerful radar on the su-35 with RCS pai t treatment for a 4th gen. Drones are going to be the next option for the future to even perform air to air tasks.
Su 35s radar is not even comparable to F16 block 30s radar are you kidding me????
 

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Good at what exactly? Average F16 block 40 CCIP fighter outperform Su 35s radar. Plus F16 has better avionics with counter measure systems.

Also F16s ECW module can f*ck up any vks flying scrap.
There is no f-16 radar data and the rostec 2014 handbook has shown they are mounting GaN EW modules for the Su-35 unless you have proof they are doing the same for the f-16?
 
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There is no f-16 radar data and the rostec 2014 handbook has shown they are mounting GaN EW modules for the Su-35 unless you have proof they are doing the same for the f-16?
And you believe russians have money to mount GaN based EW modules :DDDDDD average russian cope just accept that even an old Block 40outperforms your flying scraps.
 

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And you believe russians have money to mount GaN based EW modules :DDDDDD average russian cope just accept that even an old Block 40outperforms your flying scraps.
But they have already produced GaN modules and this is not counting their photonic radar modules production.
 

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Still prefer the air to ground options and powerful radar on the su-35 with RCS pai t treatment for a 4th gen.
So you prefer iron bombs rather than JDAMs ?

and btw talking about Su-35 supposedly powerful radars, take a look...


By marketing cherry picked vanilla figures that overshadows relevant data. There’s no doubt that Irbis-E has good performance and is the most capable radar on a Russian Fighter but it isn’t so much “powerful” for a modern Fighter radar.

Sukhoi loves to portray Irbis-E having 350 km detection range against 3 m^2 target, which looks quite nice but what many don’t realise is that this figure is for a cued-search in a tiny FoV (10°x10°). What’s rarely stated is that in (normal) volume search that range shrinks down to 200 km. From UAC,

V. Tikhomirov Research Institute of Instrumentation provides for the assured detection and acquisition of typical aerial targets at a range of up to 200 km (up to 170 km against ground background), and in a narrower field of view¬ – up to 350-400 km.
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Never mind Russian manufacturers publishing figures based on 50% probability of detection. On top of it, the Irbis-E has a maximum Targeting range of 250 km – even against a B-52.

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KNAAPO’s Su-35 brochure

We also see this in Irbis-E’s flight test video where it allegedly detected a single target from 268 km but wasn’t able to get a track until 100 km – all the while having just a single target to track.[1]

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This shows how unrealistic is the 350 km detection range figure in real combat. It’s analogous to Northrop marketing F-35’s radar having 1,300 km range because it can track ballistic missiles in cued-search from DAS.[2] (At least F-35 does have a targeting-quality track.)

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DAS track = Magenta circle. APG-81 track = Yellow

Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) resolution is a reliable indicator of performance and level of technology – it’s proportional to a radar’s bandwidth, which in turn is related to jamming-resistance (ECCMs) and LPI. According to the manufacturer, the Irbis-E has a SAR resolution of 3 meter – which is comparable to F-15E’s APG-70 radar from 1980s.

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NIIP - Irbis E

It was great 30 years ago, not by today’s standards. Today a PESA radar with limited bandwidth is vulnerable to modern EW suites – putting Su-35 at a serious disadvantage.

And it’s worse for surface targets, Irbis-E has 100 km targeting range against Naval Destroyers and 200 km engagement against aircraft carriers. This is not powerful by any metric when you’ve F-16’s APG-83 radar having 160 nmi (300 km) range just for creating high-resolution SAR maps.[3]

The Su-35’s Irbis-E might be the most powerful radar on Russian Fighters but it’s not exceptional outside Russia. The over-hyped vanilla figures look great until you realize how irrelevant they are in real world.

Even smaller AESA radars on most Western aircraft will have better performance, especially in a jamming environment. There’s a reason why Russia is trying to field AESA radars in Mig-35 and Su-57. Though Zhuk-AM on Mig-35 won’t complete testing until 2021 at the earliest.[4] Put propaganda aside, and you’ve the mighty Su-35 & Irbis-E sho
wing just how far behind Russia lags in avionics.
 

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F16 has been used around in the world for Years everyone liked them over your shit jets buddy.

Also your jets doesn't even need to see eneym aircraft to crash old TORs are enought to do that.
The only aircrafts that crashed and burned from soviet Sams were from the Serbs and Syrians downing f-16s;)
 

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And yet your jets lost to even manpads. Lets not play that game buddy we all know your jets are garbege and 80s tech still.

No pod, no gps, no good radars that are even comparable to western tech.

go drink your copium maybe putin will give you even more roubles :D
Manpads is that another ghost of kyiv story :LOL: I know Yemen rebels do that to f-15s and f-16s.

Western tech is only good against soviet equipment.
 
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Evidence you mean Ukrainians pretending to be Russians whom are destroying Ukrainians you mean that evidence :LOL: that shit has been debunked many times it wasn't just one f-16 and cost wise this operation is better than. NATOs campaign against Serbia and still shorter to, Ukraine is a.bigger country than serbiq.
is a bigger country try than Serbia BTW.
ok bro amount of cope you are doing is out of this world lmao.
 

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