Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Van Kravchenko]

Putins coffin

Nah, he will not die or be overthrown.

World need PIC for the nuke.

 

[Relic]

More details have emerged about Estonia's recent military package to Ukraine. Estonia announced that they are sending ALL of their FH70, 155mm howitzers, D30, 122mm howitzers, thousands of rounds of ammunition for, as well as hundreds of M2 Carl Gustav, anti-armor weapons (along with ammunition). The total package accounts for more than $112 Million. Estonia has sent more than 350 million Euros worth of military equipment to Ukraine so far. They've also applied for an EU Grant to provide them funds to replace the equipment they're giving to Ukraine. Thus far they've been approved for 156 million Euros from the EU and are awaiting additional funds so they can make further purchases.

After doing a little bit of research regarding Estonia's inventory of FH70 and D30 howitzers, it looks like they've donating the following.

24x FH70, 155mm towed howitzers
42x D30, 155mm towed howitzers
Approximately 10,000 rounds of 155mm
Approximately 15,000 rounds of 122mm
200x Carl Gustav 84mm, anti-armor weapon
Unknown number of Carl Gustav ammunition

I know that the Russia supporters on this board will chalk this donation up to another "meaningless" donation, but nothing could be further from the truth. 24x FH70's more than replace the number of M777's that we've seen evidence of Russian destroying to this point. The M777 is a better weapon overall, but the FH70 is still very capable out to approximately 40km, with rocket assisted ammunition. 24x is more than an entire Brigade of howitzers (18 guns in a brigade), which means Ukraine can have 6 rotated out of action at all times for field maintenance, barrel changes, etc, and still keep the the brigade using the artillery at full strength. Meanwhile, the D30 guns have shorter range than FH70's, but they're ideal to serve in a defensive role, as Ukraine looks to strengthen their defensive lines in the East and the South. 42x D30 is enough for 6-8 batteries, which if used well defensively, can inflict a hell of a lot of damage to dismounted infantry and light / medium armoured vehicles.

 

[Lordimperator]

Actually, this photo says it all. Zelenskiy, in light military garb, salutes the German chancellor with a nod like a German soldier.

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Whereas zelensky is the head of state and scholz is the prime minister. So they're not even equal.

a premature analysis, more like Vatnik propaganda

 

[blackjack]

A competent US leadership would have made sure that Erdogan was eliminated back in 2015 during the coup

They would have also never antagonize China by allowing Trump into office,

And even after that mistake, they should have gone into North Korea before nuclear weapons appeared there - now they have a South Korea which they cannot even use as fodder at this point

They would also have escalated against Russia in Syria preventing a Russian presence in the Mediterranean , and have let Israel annex beyond the Golan Heights

They would have not left Afghanistan and strengthened logistics to arm Kazakh and Uzbek insurgencies - removing Russian presence from there

Going back to 08, Bush should have put those heavy sanctions on Russia since then, to allow the Obama administration to increase the economic pressure gradually, instead of allowing Russia to have substituted its imports, and strengthen its foreign reserves - unimpeded , then at least a color revolution would have been more plausible instead of Navalny ending up in prison, and essentially enabling an exodus of the pro US liberal base

A competent US leadership would also have overthrown Lukashenko when they had the chance , and tightened a real noose around Russia

What they now have is a cucked Finland which will not enter NATO , unless they boot Turkey (which is a much greater problem for the US), they have a Belarus which has over 100,000 Union State forces, they have Ukraine , essentially undergoing a slow russification/denazification process, they have allowed Russia to enter Nagornoh Karabakh and gain leverage over Armenia and Azeris, they abandoned Georgia to the point that Salome kisses Russian dick, they allowed Russia to put boots into Kazakhstan establishing a precedent for Russian intervention in central asia, and they have allowed Iran to straddle Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and the Gulf by vacating the region

If I go further, Barkhane was a failure, instead of US elites shoring their positions in Libya and Africa, they turned it over to the Wagner group- and the only thing they did was bitch and moan labeling wagner a terror group

Don't let me begin with China, losing Hong Kong has given them the upper hand in Taiwan -

But ineptitude and incompetence is what led to revival of Greater Russia and judging from what is happening in China now..

They have much bigger problems surfacing

I actually don't think they will get the opportunity to ever challenge China- the ship sailed February 2022 when they blinked

As much as they said they warned Zelensky , they only warned him about the presence of Russian units, but they never predicted that Russia would actually go in

Had they done so, they wouldn't have been scrambling to empty NATO stocks in 2023

It actually appears they were unprepared for war, despite all the MAXAR pictures

 

[Mailman]

A competent US leadership would have made sure that Erdogan was eliminated back in 2015 during the coup

They would have also never antagonize China by allowing Trump into office,

And even after that mistake, they should have gone into North Korea before nuclear weapons appeared there - now they have a South Korea which they cannot even use as fodder at this point

They would also have escalated against Russia in Syria preventing a Russian presence in the Mediterranean , and have let Israel annex beyond the Golan Heights

They would have not left Afghanistan and strengthened logistics to arm Kazakh and Uzbek insurgencies - removing Russian presence from there

Going back to 08, Bush should have put those heavy sanctions on Russia since then, to allow the Obama administration to increase the economic pressure gradually, instead of allowing Russia to have substituted its imports, and strengthen its foreign reserves - unimpeded , then at least a color revolution would have been more plausible instead of Navalny ending up in prison, and essentially enabling an exodus of the pro US liberal base

A competent US leadership would also have overthrown Lukashenko when they had the chance , and tightened a real noose around Russia

What they now have is a cucked Finland which will not enter NATO , unless they boot Turkey (which is a much greater problem for the US), they have a Belarus which has over 100,000 Union State forces, they have Ukraine , essentially undergoing a slow russification/denazification process, they have allowed Russia to enter Nagornoh Karabakh and gain leverage over Armenia and Azeris, they abandoned Georgia to the point that Salome kisses Russian dick, they allowed Russia to put boots into Kazakhstan establishing a precedent for Russian intervention in central asia, and they have allowed Iran to straddle Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and the Gulf by vacating the region

If I go further, Barkhane was a failure, instead of US elites shoring their positions in Libya and Africa, they turned it over to the Wagner group- and the only thing they did was bitch and moan labeling wagner a terror group

Don't let me begin with China, losing Hong Kong has given them the upper hand in Taiwan -

But ineptitude and incompetence is what led to revival of Greater Russia and judging from what is happening in China now..

They have much bigger problems surfacing

I actually don't think they will get the opportunity to ever challenge China- the ship sailed February 2022 when they blinked

As much as they said they warned Zelensky , they only warned him about the presence of Russian units, but they never predicted that Russia would actually go in

Had they done so, they wouldn't have been scrambling to empty NATO stocks in 2023

It actually appears they were unprepared for war, despite all the MAXAR pictures

What a dark world are you living, man...

I might be naive, but I believe that belief into human kindness is something separating good from evil. From the moment a man really starts to believe others are thieves, crooks, idiots, maggots and villans, he has really only two options- kill others or himself. Simple as that.

Putin has obviously chosen to kill in order to keep chaos under some sort of controle. US could have dominated the world, but their leaders are incompetent. US leaders have made a row of mistakes so pictorously presented by blackjack, therefore Russia has to take it over in order to save the world from falling into chaos. Simple as that.

Sorry, guys, this view is so apocalyptic. Simply no chance for anything good to happen. If you are an opponent, you will be killed instantly, no judgement. Simple and rational elimination of potential threat, nothing more, nothing less. Survival of the fittest. Kill or be killed.

Well, we are not born into this, like poor russian fellows. This is not OK, blackjack, you get that? That is the very reason why the rest of the world wants to make a special court to judge over war crimes in Ukraine. Circle is closing.

To put it simply- it is not normal to kill your own children in your family. It is criminal to kill children in other peoples family and it will have consequences. Is this russophobic? No, it is common sense. Was I getting to personal? I strongly doubt that.

 

[MaciekRS]

WARSAW, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Germany has now received Poland's official request to re-export Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, the Polish defence minister said on Tuesday, as Warsaw cranks up the pressure on Berlin to give its approval.

Germany receives Polish request to give Ukraine tanks, says Poland

Germany has now received Poland's official request to re-export Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, the Polish defence minister said on Tuesday, as Warsaw cranks up the pressure on Berlin to give its approval.

www.reuters.com

Ball is on german side now

 

[Chocopie]

WARSAW, Jan 24 (Reuters) - Germany has now received Poland's official request to re-export Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, the Polish defence minister said on Tuesday, as Warsaw cranks up the pressure on Berlin to give its approval.

Germany receives Polish request to give Ukraine tanks, says Poland

Germany has now received Poland's official request to re-export Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, the Polish defence minister said on Tuesday, as Warsaw cranks up the pressure on Berlin to give its approval.

www.reuters.com

Ball is on german side now

They‘ll drop it as always …

Edit: I was wrong, they did it. Germany sending Leo 2 and giving export permission to other countries.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617834478142906368

 

[Kathirz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617834435025698816

 

[MaciekRS]

I'll say Grippens.
Its their only chance to be known and for Sweden to sell it when russian aircrafts will not be available to the world.

 

[Ecderha]

This is Ukraine little girl that screams with joy after getting a new hat.
Thanks to Hope for Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617515477298999297

but, What we can say about the kidnapped kids from putin army which torture, rape and killed their parents. They are out there in russian at "education" camps with no future.

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617795504502628352

 

[Kathirz]

Ball is on german side now

And big balls on Polish side

I'll say Grippens.
Its their only chance to be known and for Sweden to sell it when russian aircrafts will not be available to the world.

Yeah I think it would do a job job against RU but I doubt there are enough Gripens to not hurt national defense capabilities and Sweden alone to be able to deploy a serious logistic/maintenance for the jets.

Sweden is one of the most active helpers to Ukraine, as we have seen on their latest package sending their latest weapons, but probably they are the only ones with capacity to ship them to UKR. (Hungary, what are you doing?) But I won't be surprised at all if they appear later.

Also we shouldn't forget who is mainly backing the war and spending most of the money on it. So I don't have doubts that US would like to have their's F-16 in UKR and form a coallition of countries (like Poland, Netherlands, Denmark) to ensure those are replaced and improve US national defense companies health with new contracts.

Just seeing the operators map seems a good idea, and it would help to keep their defense industry influence over Europe.
Other thing is, there are plenty of them, also spare parts and maintenance facilities in Nederlands, (Bydgoszcz, Poland, Is it finished?) to quickly refurbrish them.

What we are seeing now is how Germans are losing political influence on defense goods in Europe. Who wants to buy things you can't send to a friendly country who has importance for your national interests?? I don't know what Germany gains delaying the Leopard issue, but it's clear what they are losing.

 

[MaciekRS]

Just seeing the operators map seems a good idea, and it would help to keep their defense industry influence over Europe.
Other thing is, there are plenty of them, also spare parts and maintenance facilities in Nederlands, (Bydgoszcz, Poland, Is it finished?) to quickly refurbrish them.

Yeah, it is finished and operational, service of the first F-16 was finished in november 22

 

[Kathirz]

When US and Germany stops fighting at political level, everything would come.

WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Poised to Provide Abrams Tanks to Ukraine

An announcement of tank deliveries could come this week, U.S. officials said, part of an understanding with Germany in which Berlin would agree to send its own Leopard 2 tanks.

www.wsj.com

Edit, Norway:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617906939803086850

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617817420126715905

 

[Relic]

It appears as if we're about to see an American / German agreement to send both Leopard 2 and M1A1 Abrams MBTs to Ukraine. Apparently, a coalition of countries, in combination with German industry, are ready to send 100 Leopard 2's to Ukraine. The Americans are going to send approximately 100 M1A1 Abrams Tanks to Ukraine in order to match the European donation.

When combined the British donation of 14 Challenger 2 MBTs, that's enough tanks to for up to 4 new tank brigades, while legacy brigades continue to field T-64 / T-72 / T-80 / PT-91 Twardy tanks.

I expect the Leopard 2s to make it to Ukraine first, with the Abrams tanks following towards the early spring, as additional maintenance and logistical support will have to be developed for their successful implementation into Ukrainian use. Expect Ukraine to field the following 4 new armored brigades in the immediate coming months, as they send personnel to Germany for combined arms training.

Brigade #1 (Mid February)
28x T-55 MBTs
14x Challenger 2 MBTs
100x Bradley IFVs
50x Stryker APCs
18× M109 Howitzers

Brigade #2 (Mid March)
50× Leopard 2 MBTs
40x Marder IFVs
50× CV90 IFVs
50x Stryker APCs
12x Archer howitzers
6x AS90 howitzers

Brigade #3 (Mid March)
50x Leopard 2 MBTs
100x BMP 2 IFVs
50x Bastion APCs
18x AS90 howitzers

Brigade #4 (Mid April)
50x M1A1 Abrams
100x Bradley IFV
50x Stryker APCs
18x M109 #howitzers

That is a realistic, 4 month time frame (Brigade #1 is already training in Germany) for delivery and training, and Brigade composition, given what has already been announced for Ukraine and what is expected to be announced in the near future.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617935966039339011

 

[Dmr]

It appears as if we're about to see an American / German agreement to send both Leopard 2 and M1A1 Abrams MBTs to Ukraine. Apparently, a coalition of countries, in combination with German industry, are ready to send 100 Leopard 2's to Ukraine. The Americans are going to send approximately 100 M1A1 Abrams Tanks to Ukraine in order to match the European donation.

When combined the British donation of 14 Challenger 2 MBTs, that's enough tanks to for up to 4 new tank brigades, while legacy brigades continue to field T-64 / T-72 / T-80 / PT-91 Twardy tanks.

I expect the Leopard 2s to make it to Ukraine first, with the Abrams tanks following towards the early spring, as additional maintenance and logistical support will have to be developed for their successful implementation into Ukrainian use. Expect Ukraine to field the following 4 new armored brigades in the immediate coming months, as they send personnel to Germany for combined arms training.

Brigade #1 (Mid February)
28x T-55 MBTs
14x Challenger 2 MBTs
100x Bradley IFVs
50x Stryker APCs
18× M109 Howitzers

Brigade #2 (Mid March)
50× Leopard 2 MBTs
40x Marder IFVs
50× CV90 IFVs
50x Stryker APCs
12x Archer howitzers
6x AS90 howitzers

Brigade #3 (Mid March)
50x Leopard 2 MBTs
100x BMP 2 IFVs
50x Bastion APCs
18x AS90 howitzers

Brigade #4 (Mid April)
50x M1A1 Abrams
100x Bradley IFV
50x Stryker APCs
18x M109 #howitzers

That is a realistic, 4 month time frame (Brigade #1 is already training in Germany) for delivery and training, and Brigade composition, given what has already been announced for Ukraine and what is expected to be announced in the near future.

Just read that more polititians in US are pushing for Abrams delivery to Ukraine.Forming such a brigades as you outlined will definitely help bring this war closer to an end but iam not sure they will be ready in time before Russia mounts it's long expected spring offensive.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617943655310065665

Leopard from Bundeswehr stock.
Green light for Leopard donations from Poland and other allies.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617946250149756929

Finally...
*pic for representation, add the Challenger 2 and it will be perfect