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[Relic]

USA to announce new $325 million aid package for Ukraine tomorrow as Zelensky visits Washington. The full package has not yet been disclosed but it's expected to include...

- Additional Avenger anti-aircraft systems
- Additional 155mm cluster shells
- Additional stinger anti-aircraft missiles
- Additional GMLRS for HIMARS
- Additional TOW missiles
- Additional Javelin anti-armor missiles
- Additional AT4 anti-armor missiles

I'll post the full package tomorrow when it's released.

 

[Gary]

The recent Polish-Ukrainian feud is what I've been warning about for quite some time now, especially for the overtly optimistic individual who thinks that events and decisions in the world will go like a sequential string, with no ramifications.

I might've been laughed at, had I told people a week ago that Poland will go from top ally to completely halting weapons. It's incredible what a day could achieve what people thought would not happen forever.

On paper, the industrial and military might of the combined West outnumbers Russia's, but no one likes to talk that while on paper this could've overwhelmed Russia, events happening in a day could potentially trample the potential. People like to talk the numbers and industries but many fail to understand the human factor. Things such as enmity, mood, feelings, etc or even small seeming insignificant events that transformed into a butterfly effect.

Had people paid any attention they would have noticed that a similar but smaller-scale proxy war the likes of Ukraine has been done before between the Shia proxy force that Iran led and Sunni GCC-backed Syrian, Yemeni, Lebanese militant. Iran, at least for now, seems victorious against its numerically superior, better-financed GCC foe in at least 4 countries (Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen). If I were to use DefenceHub individual member logic that states the West will be guaranteed a win because they have an added decimal to everything, then this could've not explained why Iran is in the position they are now.

People might have a short memory, but when I saw the energy in Which Westerners rally behind Ukraine in 2022, reminded me of the same energy the Sunni Arab states showcased early in the Syrian civil war, which no one would have predicted that it would collapse in just 6 years into the civil war by the rise of Salafi Jihadi movement in the 2nd year that in turn terrified Arab monarchs, completely turning them from supporting Syrians into actively sabotaging Syrian rebels war effort.

We might not know for example if the pro-Nazi movement and the radicalization process in Ukraine due to the war will force a re-think in weapons shipment, or if a populist movement won elections in the West and we know what populist thinks about foreign wars.

In short, do not take everything for granted. Not even political support.

 

[blackjack]

USA to announce new $325 million aid package for Ukraine tomorrow as Zelensky visits Washington. The full package has not yet been disclosed but it's expected to include...

- Additional Avenger anti-aircraft systems
- Additional 155mm cluster shells
- Additional stinger anti-aircraft missiles
- Additional GMLRS for HIMARS
- Additional TOW missiles
- Additional Javelin anti-armor missiles
- Additional AT4 anti-armor missiles

I'll post the full package tomorrow when it's released.

Not trying to be a troll but I am disappointed i dont see ATACMS.

Anyways, 4th new kamikaze drone within this 2 week timeframe. if it didnt have propellers and winglets it could have been a stealth drone.

В России создали аналог дрона-камикадзе "Герань"

Российская компания ZALA AERO создала аналог дрона-камикадзе "Герань", получивший название "Италмас", сообщил телеканал "Россия 1". РИА Новости, 21.09.2023

ria.ru

MOSCOW, September 20 - RIA Novosti. The Russian company ZALA AERO has created an analogue of the Geranium kamikaze drone, called Italmas, the TV channel reported "Russia 1".
As noted in the plot of the TV channel, the new loitering ammunition has a shape similar to the Geranium and is also equipped with an internal combustion engine. Fuel is poured into the wing tanks of the drone. The drone is a completely domestic development.
According to the general designer of the company "Aeroscan" Alexander Zakharov, the new drone has a range of up to 200 kilometers.

https://tass.com/defense/1676707


MOSCOW, September 19. /TASS/. Russia will increase several-fold the production of the Lantset and Kub kamikaze drones as well as the Takhion and Granat unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), a senior manager at the state-run tech corporation Rostec told reporters on Tuesday.

"Capacities for the production of UAVs have been expanded, which will help us multiply the manufacturing of the Kub, Lantset, Granat, Takhion and other UAVs," said Bekkhan Ozdoyev, Rostec’s industrial director of the cluster of weapons, ammunition and special chemistry.

He also reiterated plans to double the production of the Kitolov, Strela and Vikhr missiles as well as the 9M333 guided missile.

The Russian Defense Ministry has regularly reported the elimination of targets with the use of the Kub and Lantset kamikaze drones in the course of the special military operation. Also, Russia has reportedly used the Takhion drone to detect from air secret positions of Ukrainian troops.

So I guess they now have all class ranges of suicide drones for their purposes and mass production of it later on.

EDIT: missied this one as well but it was from last august https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18526267?ysclid=lmsonv8uok698825001

At the Army-2023 forum, the Granat-PG bomber drone was shown for the first time​

The range of the device is up to 5 km, the flight speed is up to 140 km / h​

PATRIOT PARK /Moscow region/, August 17. /TASS/. The Granat-PG attack unmanned aerial system bomber was first presented at the Army-2023 International Military-Technical Forum. This was reported to TASS by the Astrohn Optical-Mechanical Design Bureau (OKB).

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"For the first time, we are showing the Granat-PG strike bomber complex. The device is designed to strike with the PG-7VL anti-tank grenade. This is good old ammunition, which is always available to Russian units, the complex is good because the military will not have problems finding a warhead. "Granat-PG" is successfully used in the zone of the special operation," the Astrohn Design Bureau said.

The Design Bureau noted that the complex is one of the FPV drones (first-person view). "A high-resolution thermal imaging camera mounted on the product allows you to recognize a person's figure at a distance of up to 200 m and a car at a distance of up to 500 m," the TASS source said.

The range of the device is up to 5 km. The flight speed is up to 140 km / h, the payload weight is up to 1.6 kg. "The device is controlled via secure communication channels, which makes it resistant to enemy electronic warfare," the design bureau said.

 

[Saithan]

Poland to stop supplying weapons to Ukraine over grain row​

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By Antoinette Radford
BBC News

One of Ukraine's staunchest allies, Poland, has announced it will no longer supply weapons to the country as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates.
The nation's prime minister said it would instead focus on arming itself with more modern weapons.
The move comes as tensions between the two nations rise.
On Tuesday, Poland summoned Ukraine's ambassador over comments made by President Volodymyr Zelensky at the UN.

He said some nations had feigned solidarity with Ukraine, which Warsaw denounced as "unjustified concerning Poland, which has supported Ukraine since the first days of the war".
Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced the decision to no longer supply Ukraine with weapons in a televised address on Wednesday after a day of rapidly escalating tensions between the two countries over grain imports.

"We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons," Mr Morawiecki said.

• What weapons are being supplied to Ukraine?

The grain dispute began after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine all but closed the main Black Sea shipping lanes and forced Ukraine to find alternative overland routes.

That in turn led to large quantities of grain ending up in central Europe.

Consequently, the European Union temporarily banned imports of grain into five countries, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia, to protect local farmers, who feared Ukrainian grain was driving down the prices locally.

The ban ended on 15 September and the EU chose not to renew it, but Hungary, Slovakia and Poland decided to keep on implementing it.
The European Commission has repeatedly stated that it is not up to individual EU members to make trade policy for the bloc.

Earlier this week, Ukraine filed lawsuits to the World Trade Organisation (WTO) against those countries over the bans, which it said were a violation of international obligations.

Ukraine's Economy Minister Yulia Svyrydenko said that it was "crucially important for us to prove that individual member states cannot ban imports of Ukrainian goods".

But Poland said they would keep the ban in place, and a "complaint before the WTO doesn't impress us".

Mr Morawiecki said they would increase the number of banned products from Kyiv if Ukraine escalates the grain dispute. Poland's foreign ministry added that "putting pressure on Poland in multilateral forums or sending complaints to international courts are not appropriate methods to resolve differences between our countries".

Despite the ban, the three countries said they would still allow grain to be transported through them to other markets.
Kyiv called for Poland to "leave emotion aside" after their ambassador was summoned and instead suggested the parties should adopt a constructive approach to resolving the dispute.

The French Foreign Minister Catherina Colonna said on Wednesday an EU study revealed Ukrainian grain imports would not cripple European farmers, and described the tensions as "regrettable".

Poland has provided much support to Ukraine as it defends itself against Russia, urging Germany to provide the country with Leopard 2 battle tanks, pledging fighter jets to the country and welcoming more than 1.5m refugees from Ukraine.

Poland no longer supplying weapons to Ukraine amid grain row

Mateusz Morawiecki's remarks come as tensions escalate over Ukraine's grain exports.

www.bbc.com

 

[MaciekRS]

Nothing changed.
Krabs for Ukraine are still being produced, PT91 are waiting for K2 (K2 need to replace PT91 1 to 1), Rosomaks are already in some part in Ukraine. There is nothing more to give
And most important RZeszów aiport is still open to deliver weapon for Ukraine

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704587393594970365

 

[UkroTurk]

Regarding current Poland's reactions:

Soon in Poland will be elections. Politicians are under pressure. No worries, after election everything will be OK!

Anyways terrorism going on

Hours after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky called on the UN Security Council to strip Moscow of its veto power, Russia launched its most powerful missile strike this month. In Kyiv, a gas pipeline, a dormitory and a non-residential building were damaged.

The supply of water and electricity to some areas has also been interrupted. At least seven people were injured, said the mayor of the city, Vitaliy Klitschko. The Kiev city administration reported that about 20 missiles were shot down. Authorities said a second wave of Russian attacks across Ukraine affected Kharkiv, central Cherkasy, the western city of Rivne and the Lviv region.

 

[chibiyabi]

if polish and another east EU countries let UA alone, that mean they are just emotional or stuppid enough not to use this chance to weakened their ultimate enemy and create super buffer area, without saccrifice their warriors. soon or later the orcs will turn their eyes to polish, and others, UA is the key to avoid it.

 

[MaciekRS]

No one said it.
In TV they said something like that (yeah, elections in 3 weeks but it doesnt matter what option will win, remeber that 98% of polish ppl are against russia)
"We are no longer handing over weapons, because we have given everything we could afford, and now we are also arming ourselves"
And they shortened it to make it on twitter.
"We are no longer handing over weapons, now we are also arming ourselves."

Completly another thing is a trade war that Ukraine is trying to start with Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. They should stop that and it is not helping.

 

[Saithan]

No one said it.
In TV they said something like that (yeah, elections in 3 weeks but it doesnt matter what option will win, remeber that 98% of polish ppl are against russia)
"We are no longer handing over weapons, because we have given everything we could afford, and now we are also arming ourselves"
And they shortened it to make it on twitter.
"We are no longer handing over weapons, now we are also arming ourselves."

Completly another thing is a trade war that Ukraine is trying to start with Poland, Slovakia and Hungary. They should stop that and it is not helping.

I think your angle is wrong.

If the grain import ban was only for a timelimited period and didn't get extended by EU, then it doesn't apply. Because EU is trying to be an entity that absorbs such excess import. This doesn't always fit well with the countries in EU, so they insist on maintaining the ban.

if Ukraine could export it Germany without having to pass Polen then it would do so, unfortunately Poland and some other EU countries are transit countries, so they are able to prevent Ukraine from exporting the grain to other EU countries. Thus Polish farmers can export theirs by starving EU from more Grain.

So Ukraine is doing what it's suppose to do, and follow the rules. It's Poland that insists on creating the issue.

Also the Polish aren't paying for all the new gears of war they are buying. Ukraine needs to export grain to be able to afford those damn weapons they receive. it's not for free.

 

[Afif]

I think your angle is wrong.

If the grain import ban was only for a timelimited period and didn't get extended by EU, then it doesn't apply. Because EU is trying to be an entity that absorbs such excess import. This doesn't always fit well with the countries in EU, so they insist on maintaining the ban.

if Ukraine could export it Germany without having to pass Polen then it would do so, unfortunately Polen and some other EU countries are transit countries, so they are able to prevent Ukraine from exporting the grain to other EU countries. Thus Polish farmers can export their by starving EU from more Grain.

So Ukraine is doin't what it's suppose to do, and follow the rules. It's Poland that insists on creating the issue.

Also the Polish aren't paying for all the new gears of war they are buying.

The transit route to export to other EU countries through Poland is open though.

 

[Saithan]

The transit route to export to other EU countries through Poland is open though.

True, I missed that part. That those countries would allow transit through their country to other markets. I guess it does seem like Ukraine wants to cause problem.

 

[Bosniak Revival]

The recent Polish-Ukrainian feud is what I've been warning about for quite some time now, especially for the overtly optimistic individual who thinks that events and decisions in the world will go like a sequential string, with no ramifications.

I might've been laughed at, had I told people a week ago that Poland will go from top ally to completely halting weapons. It's incredible what a day could achieve what people thought would not happen forever.

On paper, the industrial and military might of the combined West outnumbers Russia's, but no one likes to talk that while on paper this could've overwhelmed Russia, events happening in a day could potentially trample the potential. People like to talk the numbers and industries but many fail to understand the human factor. Things such as enmity, mood, feelings, etc or even small seeming insignificant events that transformed into a butterfly effect.

Had people paid any attention they would have noticed that a similar but smaller-scale proxy war the likes of Ukraine has been done before between the Shia proxy force that Iran led and Sunni GCC-backed Syrian, Yemeni, Lebanese militant. Iran, at least for now, seems victorious against its numerically superior, better-financed GCC foe in at least 4 countries (Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen). If I were to use DefenceHub individual member logic that states the West will be guaranteed a win because they have an added decimal to everything, then this could've not explained why Iran is in the position they are now.

People might have a short memory, but when I saw the energy in Which Westerners rally behind Ukraine in 2022, reminded me of the same energy the Sunni Arab states showcased early in the Syrian civil war, which no one would have predicted that it would collapse in just 6 years into the civil war by the rise of Salafi Jihadi movement in the 2nd year that in turn terrified Arab monarchs, completely turning them from supporting Syrians into actively sabotaging Syrian rebels war effort.

We might not know for example if the pro-Nazi movement and the radicalization process in Ukraine due to the war will force a re-think in weapons shipment, or if a populist movement won elections in the West and we know what populist thinks about foreign wars.

In short, do not take everything for granted. Not even political support.

Pro Nazi? GCC supporting Syrian Rebels?

Lol dude what are you smoking?

I get Russia has it's interests in Invading Ukraine but blatant lying & propaganda like your post should be laughed at like 'WMD's in Iraq' & censored because its not in good faith & a blatant falsehood.

 

[Afif]

Pro Nazi? GCC supporting Syrian Rebels?

Lol dude what are you smoking?

I get Russia has it's interests in Invading Ukraine but blatant lying & propaganda like your post should be laughed at like 'WMD's in Iraq' & censored because its not in good faith & a blatant falsehood.

You just picked up the wrong fight buddy. I can almost see that @Gary is reloading.

 

[Gary]

Pro Nazi? GCC supporting Syrian Rebels?

Lol dude what are you smoking?

I get Russia has it's interests in Invading Ukraine but blatant lying & propaganda like your post should be laughed at like 'WMD's in Iraq' & censored because its not in good faith & a blatant falsehood.

YES Azov is a pro-NAZI cum wannabe Nazi militant group...you can't dumb it out any further. Whatever attempt to spin the story and lionize them will not cover the fact that it is an ideologically driven militant group. More specifically a racial superiority-driven group that btw has the backing of the Ukrainian government.

Is it wrong though to have Nazis in your country? I don't think so. But we're talking the West here so that should count, especially when Ukraine's breath is at the mercy of its Western donors.

YES war breeds radicalization and over time groups that show the most extreme mentality will naturally attract the populace, this is the way anywhere in the world including 'democratic' Europe. Nazi-leaning Azov will over time grow in appeal.

Yes the GCC members are supporting the open rebellion in Syria. Not by directly intervening, but by arming, recognizing, sending advisors and intel etc. This is how the war in Syria is fought.

 

[MaciekRS]

Tank battle where tanks are 20 m from each other.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704561653369704678

 

[UkroTurk]

YES Azov is a pro-NAZI cum wannabe Nazi militant group

I have met several of them. They were nice to me while i am Türk and Muslim.
I don't feel in Ukraine any racist offense from Ukrainians. Vice versa in Russia asians and Muslims are under oppression. They are kinda second quality.

 

[Gary]

I have met several of them. They were nice to me while i am Türk and Muslim.

I mean there are a lot of nice Nazis.

And Nazi's main enemy are jews, not Muslims. In fact, the common Muslim and nazi sport is hating Jews. There's even a meme about that lmao.

I don't feel in Ukraine any racist offense from Ukrainians. Vice versa in Russia asians and Muslims are under oppression. They are kinda second quality.

The point of my post is not to highlight Nazi behavior, but the fact that a wannabe Nazi force is now growing to be Ukraine's most valuable vanguard against Russia would be seen as a time bomb by the West. The same way Salafi Jihadist orgs in Syria were seen by the Arab monarchs back then.

 

[Relic]

Some people just don't understand politics at all. Poland IS NOT cutting off military aid to Ukraine. They're making a political statement to force Ukraine's hand in their disagreement over grain exports and Poland's desire to protect their own farmers.

The reality is that Poland has donated everything that it can afford to send Ukraine right now, so by them saying they aren't sending anything anymore and, instead, are focusing on building up their own military, they're essentially just saying "we've sent what we can send for the time being".

1. The remainder of the Krab 155mm howitzers that Ukraine ordered from Poland will continue to arrive per the contract.

2. Poland donated 100 Rosomak IFVs out of their existing inventory and allowed Ukraine to purchase 100 additional Rosomaks direct from the factory. Those will be delivered per the contract and training on them will continue in Poland.

3. Ukraine also ordered 24 RAK, 120mm self-propelled mortar systems. Those are also being built by Poland as we speak and will be delivered per the contract.

Polish weapons will continue to make their way into Ukraine. Poland simply cannot afford to donate additional weapons systems from their exisiting inventories right now, so they're focusing on rebuilding their own stocks. Poland has donated a plethora of MBTs, IFVs and artillery. They've also donated fighter jets, helicopters, air defense systems, and an enormous amount of ammunition. Until their newly ordered equipment arrives, they simply cannot commit to sending new military aid.

 

[Relic]

Russian artillery continues to get absolutely pummeled and even the Russians have been admitting it. Too many recent videos of the systematic destruction have been released for them to deny it. Here is a sampling from the last 24 hours.

2A36 Giatsint-B 152mm howitzer destroyed...

NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 video The 406th Artillery Brigade destroyed a 2A36 Giatsint-B field gun.

mstdn.social

2A65 Msta-B 152mm howitizer destroyed...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704371745195491472

BM-27 Uragan 220mm MLRS destroyed...

NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 video A Russian BM-27 Uragan 220-mm MLRS destroyed in Samiilivka, Zaporizhzia region. 📍47.573295807322836, 36.6887763458147

mstdn.social

Russian artillery systems and armored vehicles hunted down by Ukrainian SBU during the night.

NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 video SBU unit 'White Wolf' with a compilation. They report that within one month, they hit 56 pieces of Russian equipment. 12 tanks, 34 APV's, 3 artillery systems and 7 trucks. Additionally, 21 fortifications with personnel were destroyed and more than 50 Russians were eliminated.

mstdn.social

 

[UkroTurk]

I mean there are a lot of nice Nazis.

And Nazi's main enemy are jews, not Muslims. In fact, the common Muslim and nazi sport is hating Jews. There's even a meme about that lmao.


The point of my post is not to highlight Nazi behavior, but the fact that a wannabe Nazi force is now growing to be Ukraine's most valuable vanguard against Russia would be seen as a time bomb by the West. The same way Salafi Jihadist orgs in Syria were seen by the Arab monarchs back then.

You are speaking nonsense.
This subject is fabricated by Russian imperialism.

First you should have visited Ukraine before blaming Azov of being Nazi.

Have you ever seen Nazi or Neo-Nazi? İ can assure you that in Moscow you will find a lot of neo Nazis and skinheads.

İn Türkiye we also sing ultranationalist songs like Azov members.

Russians alibi : the song " Ukraina ponad vseh" : Ukraine is above all!