Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Ecderha]

How about a couple Patriot systems with PAC 3 missiles instead, as well as the block 70/72 F-16s you guys want, in exchange for 24 Firtina I howitzers, 750,000 155mm artillery shells and 50 Leopard 1 MBTs with associated shells for Ukraine?

Old stuff that you guys are in the process of replacing anyways, for the top of the line stuff you want.

How about, you read the history!?

Turkiye did invite first usa and europe allies (correct will be pseudo allies) on military procurement for air defense systems.
Both pseudo allies did delayed the procurement by 2 years.
Both pseudo allies after the delay did reject and said that they would not give it.
Both pseudo allies offered old systems or with options that Turkiye hire systems for her use from the west whilst west would operate it

They even did worse things systematically!
They applied embargoes on those systems for Turkiye.

Those above FACTS which were done, were planned. Systematic and hostile against Turkiye, which is a Black dot which created a deep rift.

Why do you keep twisting all the time the FACTS and trying again and again the same narrative (s400) about Turkiye ?

Just free advice; Turkiye went down it’s own path. A path which is paved by Facts about how pseudo allies behave, and they do. Lies, hostile acts, blame all time Turkiye for own actions, etc.

Rift is deep and Turkiye did not make this rift. Right thing is and expected that psudo allies should fix this rift IF and only if they want Turkiye.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

How about a couple Patriot systems with PAC 3 missiles instead, as well as the block 70/72 F-16s you guys want, in exchange for 24 Firtina I howitzers, 750,000 155mm artillery shells and 50 Leopard 1 MBTs with associated shells for Ukraine?

Old stuff that you guys are in the process of replacing anyways, for the top of the line stuff you want.

Im down for it, We can also give out our M48s that does have thermal sighting systems.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

How about, you read the history!?

Turkiye did invite first usa and europe allies (correct will be pseudo allies) on military procurement for air defense systems.
Both pseudo allies did delayed the procurement by 2 years.
Both pseudo allies after the delay did reject and said that they would not give it.
Both pseudo allies offered old systems or with options that Turkiye hire systems for her use from the west whilst west would operate it

They even did worse things systematically!
They applied embargoes on those systems for Turkiye.

Those above FACTS which were done, were planned. Systematic and hostile against Turkiye, which is a Black dot which created a deep rift.

Why do you keep twisting all the time the FACTS and trying again and again the same narrative (s400) about Turkiye ?

Just free advice; Turkiye went down it’s own path. A path which is paved by Facts about how pseudo allies behave, and they do. Lies, hostile acts, blame all time Turkiye for own actions, etc.

Rift is deep and Turkiye did not make this rift. Right thing is and expected that psudo allies should fix this rift IF and only if they want Turkiye.

Türkiye wanted tech transfer for patriot not even Israel had that USA rejected their tech transfer do some research on that

 

[guest12]

Türkiye wanted tech transfer for patriot not even Israel had that USA rejected their tech transfer do some research on that

Israel's all SAM defence projects developed by U.S.I am not just talking about tech support here their development costs payed by U.S.

 

[Afif]

Israel's all SAM defence projects developed by U.S.I am not just talking about tech support here their development costs payed by U.S.

Afaik, Barak 8 and Spyder air defence family are indigenously designed and developed by Israel without any U.S. involvement.

 

[Bogeyman]

It mostly can be repaired and used again, If the shot didn't penetrate shell compartment most of the western tanks can be repaired and used.

If the tank was abandoned after being out of combat and the enemy elements subsequently placed explosives inside the tank and completely destroyed it, repair is out of the question. This is now entirely up to the mercy and capability of the enemy elements in the field. If the repair cost exceeds a certain figure, the tank is destroyed and discarded.

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

If the tank was abandoned after being out of combat and the enemy elements subsequently placed explosives inside the tank and completely destroyed it, repair is out of the question. This is now entirely up to the mercy and capability of the enemy elements in the field. If the repair cost exceeds a certain figure, the tank is destroyed and discarded.

That depends on the situation even ISIS didn't bother destroying our leopards.

 

[Bogeyman]

That depends on the situation even ISIS didn't bother destroying our leopards.

Because they were not a regular army. And in full-scale wars, states do not operate solely with hit-and-run tactics. These types of policies, developed in wars along the front line, will permanently deplete the enemy's inventory.

 

[UkroTurk]

‘I Am Dreaming It Will Stop’: A Deadlocked War Tests Ukrainian Morale

Pessimism over prospects for a quick victory is increasing, and the spirit that infused the first days of the conflict is starting to fade, polls find.

www.nytimes.com

The failure of the summer counter-offensive made Ukrainians pessimistic - NYT


“Given that the Ukrainian army is stuck in trenches along the front line, and it is felt that weapons from the allies arrived too late and now their [flow] will begin to decline, Ukrainians are increasingly pessimistic about the prospects for a quick victory. Hope, the core of Ukraine’s fight against much a more powerful enemy, was maimed,” the publication says.

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721164414420684819

 

[Ecderha]

Big booms

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721246557457264881

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721225923872129077

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721296296097824980

Some soldiers from the Ukrainian army shot their comrades who told them to return to the front.

 

[Relic]

Big booms

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721246557457264881

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721225923872129077

Continuing to find and hit significant Russian ammunition depots will allow Ukraine to undermine any Russian logistics as it relates to meaningful advance. In particular, hitting Russia's dwindling supply of artillery rounds and guided ordinance, will help keep Ukraine in the fight ahead of Russia's winter plan to go back onto the offensive.

 

[contricusc]

Some soldiers from the Ukrainian army shot their comrades who told them to return to the front.

The poster is a very biased pro-Russian Tweeter account. It is very hard to know what exactly happened there, and who are those people.

 

[Bogeyman]

The poster is a very biased pro-Russian Tweeter account. It is very hard to know what exactly happened there, and who are those people.

People are free to infer whatever they want from the images or implied inferences. I don't force anyone to give anything. Everyone can create their own inference.

 

[UkroTurk]

❗️Ukrainian analogue of Iranian "Shaheds" went into serial production - general director of "Ukroboronprom" Smetanin

According to him, it is commissioned by the Defense Forces.

Ukrainian "Shahed" has already impressed Russian objects. The record range of the combat sortie is about 1000 km.
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[blackjack]

The TIME magazine article with Zelensky was meant to show the divide between two camps in Ukraine to the American elite

One backs Zelensky, and the TIME article devoted itself to showing this camp, although the article itself was unflattering, it painted this picture of a kind of desperate man, one who has become a liability to the west itself

On the other hand, Oleksiy Arestovich, and Valeriy Zaluzhny are postulated as some kind of anti heroes to the western audience

Both of their tones are conciliatory and favor some kind of freezing of the conflict

The voices of both Arestovich and Zaluzhny, highlight a total depletion of manpower

In fact the main argument for Minsk 3 is the lack of manpower to stave off Russian advances across the front

France 24, NBC, ABC, and PBS have jumped on the gravy train:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.y...ne-official-says-cant-properly-154209789.html

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...nians-reel-from-war-chief-s-stalemate-warning

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...raine-consider-peace-talks-russia-2023-11?amp

All the media outlets are saying the incontrovertible truth: Ukrainian manpower is depleted and peace talks must be made in the interim

Now a power dispute is breaking out as Zelensky censures his general Staff and privately berates the biden administration sources who are continuing to talk of defeat, and manpower shortages :

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/world/europe/zelensky-rebuke-general-zaluzhny.html

For Russia, the concern is simple, these divisions and cracks in the Ukrainian elite, do in fact signal that Ukraine has been attrited into a strategic level defeat

But now, how does Russia exact maximum profits? By keeping the war going

Minsk 3 will be offered by the west, and the Ukrainians favored by Zaluzhny, and Arestovich as they try to rescue what they can

But Russia will probably back Zelensky, and give him intel through back channels to keep him alive, or prevent any assassination or change of power, which could bring a peace deal to the table

It's better to fight Ukraine as it is now, depleted of equipment and manpower, then to allow the west to give them time to recover and rearm

A strategic defeat has been inflicted, and if Russia can keep Ukraine on this path, it will recuperate its sphere of influence to project into Europe

 

[Ecderha]

Another ruzzian junk boat "bite the dust".
One of newest "high tech" ruzzian military ship successfully intercept french SCALP missile by hugging it

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721596165534233056

aftermath

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721596455285121327

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721599985374900673

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721601955972182021

 

[Ecderha]

Another ruzzian junk boat "bite the dust".
One of newest "high tech" ruzzian military ship successfully intercept french SCALP missile by hugging it

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721596165534233056

aftermath

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721596455285121327

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721599985374900673

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721601955972182021

ruzzian officials also reported that it is minor damage.
It will be repaired and launch very soon ( new paint, small repair and good to go )

 

[Maximilien Robespierre]

People are free to infer whatever they want from the images or implied inferences. I don't force anyone to give anything. Everyone can create their own inference.

funny that is coming from you eh