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There are a lot of members of the EU parliament who are not serious people. Those citing such ridiculous conspiracy theories regarding Blackrock are surely not serious.

In short, the EU parliament is a joke...full of jokers who think they could outsmart people like Putin. If true.

Blackrock cannot take over a country.

Not literally of course.
Blackrock is an asset management company, best known for being the issuer of the most successful ETFs. Blackrock is not in the business of taking over countries or controlling companies. Blackrock just manages some huge funds and earns fees for that. People who are not familiar with the investment world may fall for such ridiculous conspiracy theories, but they are just low quality propaganda designed to fool the ill informed.

Not directly, but big money = big influence.


Whenever you say “Blackrock could own the country” you lose more credibility. This is a very cheap propaganda piece that is aimed at the low information and uneducated segments of the population, and repeating it here puts you in a very bad light.

I could remember like yesterday people are making jokes of anti-vaxxers like they're some sort of deranged cult. I know many more people who died ina questionable way after getting vaxxed than the one who don't.

Every now and then people who warned others of imminent danger are ridiculed in such a way, that truth are seen as criminal and legit criminalities are seen as the truth.
 

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The average age of Ukrainian frontline soldiers is now 43, the young are either dead, wounded or risking their life to escape towards Romania or Poland.

Meanwhile, I saw a video of a Ukrainian recruitment official's son living the good live abroad, prolly high after scr*wing hookers and driving around town in new Mercedes. The war is almost pretty much over. The more they struggle the more painful they'll figure out that their effort is useless anyway.

There's no point in continuing fighting when your population prefers to sacrifice themselves crossing frozen rivers in the Carpathians rather than meet the Russian mano-o-mano at the frontline. Not to mention that eventually, the guys living under the Russian administration figure out that Russia isn't the 100ft child-eating monsters that the West portrayed them to be.


Make peace now while you're still able to do so in one piece rather than living the rest of your life as a disabled veteran with no limbs and no future and eventually abandoned by the state. This is not your war, this is some deranged geopolitical cult cult trying to drag you into some kind of mass national Harakiri to satisfy the whims of the MIC and some politicians sitting somewhere across the Atlantic.

I think most of them didn't quite understand that they didn't need this war, but the war needed them to continue.
 

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Make peace now while you're still able to do so in one piece rather than living the rest of your life as a disabled veteran with no limbs and no future and eventually abandoned by the state. This is not your war, this is some deranged geopolitical cult cult trying to drag you into some kind of mass national Harakiri to satisfy the whims of the MIC and some politicians sitting somewhere across the Atlantic.

I will rephrase your last sentence and address it to the Russians. Your text would end like this: ”This is not your war, this is some deranged geopolitical cult trying to drag you into some kind of mass national Harakiri to satisfy the whims of Putin.”

You see, the war was started by Russia, not by Ukraine or the Western MIC.

It is because of the Russians that people are dying for the geopolitical ambitions of Putin. Ukraine just wants to remain a sovereign country and defend its borders, like any nation would. Russia is the one causing death and destruction for imperial ambitions.

You used to be more balanced about this war one year ago, but ever since the Israel-Palestinian war erupted you have turned into a complete Russian shill. You are now just spewing the cheap Russian propaganda without even filtering their nonsense.

You want Ukrainians to surrender, but at the same time you want the Palestinians to fight till the last men to defend their land. If you like Putin and the Russians so much, you should also be a big fan of Netanyahu, since they are acting in the same barbaric and genocidal way and for the same reason: to grab some land.
 

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Ukrainian drones manage to hit a gas terminal in St Petersburg, about 1200 km from Ukraine’s borders.

The deep strike capabilities of Ukraine are improving, while Russia’s air defences are proving to be extremely incompetent. The war is slowly coming to Russia, and it is only a question of time before Moscow will become a constant target, just like Kyiv.
 

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Fire Tied to Ukraine Drones Shuts Novatek Baltic Sea Fuel Plant
Ust-Luga gas-condensate plant isn’t operating, Novatek says
Ukraine media say an attack was carried out by Kiev forces

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By Bloomberg News
21 Ocak 2024 at 06:10 GMT+3
Updated on 21 Ocak 2024 at 18:09 GMT+3



A fire that halted fuel production over the weekend at Novatek PJSC’s plant in the Baltic Sea port of Ust-Luga was linked by Ukrainian media to Kyiv’s special forces.

The websites of Ukraine’s Suspilne TV and Ukrainska Pravda cited sources in the nation’s Security Service as saying the attack was a special operation of Ukrainian security forces.


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Attack on Ust-Luga: the Russian Federation is forced to remove air defense from the front and send it to the rear, - source


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Russia is forced to strengthen rear air defense after the attack on Ust-Luga



Two missed drones cost the aggressor not only material, but also reputational losses.

Russia is forced to transfer air defense systems to rear areas after a nighttime drone attack on an oil terminal in the port of Ust-Luga. Informed sources reported this to UNIAN.

The interlocutor of our publication confirmed the information previously voiced by the Russians that the oil terminal had completely stopped work. But the matter did not stop there.

“After the SBU attack, all tankers that were at the terminal moved far out to sea. Their loading was disrupted,” sources say.
 
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I will rephrase your last sentence and address it to the Russians. Your text would end like this: ”This is not your war, this is some deranged geopolitical cult trying to drag you into some kind of mass national Harakiri to satisfy the whims of Putin.”

Actually goes both ways, yes Russians didn't need to die senselessly in this war. But I commend Putin, he uses his nation's potential to advance his interest, unlike the West who uses Ukrainian meat to advance theirs.

You see, the war was started by Russia, not by Ukraine or the Western MIC.

The correct explanation is : Russia did start this phase of the war, but the entire conflict originated from the greed of so-called "Western democracies" and was enticed to a bloodbath by Ukraine.

It is because of the Russians that people are dying for the geopolitical ambitions of Putin.

This is an oversimplification of a complex topic, maybe one day I'll create a thread to explain why this war started from and by the West.

Ukraine just wants to remain a sovereign country and defend its borders, like any nation would. Russia is the one causing death and destruction for imperial ambitions.

Lie, even if they did once, there's no point anymore, not with BlackRock taking over their country.

There is no stimulus to keep fighting other than the fact that your life (singular) will be used to the full potential of someone else's living on the other side of the ocean to keep the money flowing for the MIC. When you die, no one will remember you other than a list of numbers that Ukraine's own government won't showcase to the world.


You used to be more balanced about this war one year ago, but ever since the Israel-Palestinian war erupted you have turned into a complete Russian shill. You are now just spewing the cheap Russian propaganda without even filtering their nonsense.

Nonsense, I'm always critical of this war's narrative (both from Russia's and Ukraine's), of course, the war in Palestine only accelerated my suspicion of the entire fraud that is Western democracies and the liberal world order. I'm not pro-Russia, I'm merely transitioning to a more neutral perspective where both Russia and the West as equal evil, with Ukraine stuck in the middle used as a pawn.

I don't need people to lecture me on what Russia is all about, I'm already witnessing Russian conduct since the Syrian war. In fact it my experience watching the Syrian civil war that allows me to write this:


So when I entice peace of course I know what I'm talking about. This is not just spewing nonsense, but I couldn't see Ukrainians survive this anyway, so why prolong suffering? certainly human lives is more important than the profit the MIC made from this war, but no, continue cheerleading a war that you yourself would not spend 5 minutes in.

You want Ukrainians to surrender, but at the same time you want the Palestinians to fight till the last men to defend their land. If you like Putin and the Russians so much, you should also be a big fan of Netanyahu, since they are acting in the same barbaric and genocidal way and for the same reason: to grab some land.

I want them to make peace and stop being a pawn for outside interference. Unlike Ukraine, Palestine is an issue of a combined 1.5 billion people, if Palestinian Arabs are decimated their fellow Arabs in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and as far way as Morocco and Indonesia will continue the struggle. People might have forgotten that Palestine is a country carved froma region called levant. This is like for example Anatolia is carved into multiple nation by colonizers into separate state of Konya, Sanliurfa, Antalya etc. Of course continuing fighting is the preferred options, becuase people surrounding you (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan etc) are the exact same people as you.

Ukraine doesn't have 1.5 billion people in its inventory to throw, last time I checked their population had already plummeted to 28 million people (from 44 million pre-Feb 2022). They are very dependent on weapons imports and get very upset whenever their American masters refuse them weapons. This is not the same tough mentality with Palestinians.

So add the factors such as:

  1. Demographies
  2. Lack of Resolve
  3. Lack of Resources
  4. Declining support from Western paymasters

It's wise for ANY statesmen to back down and think for the nation's well being. But no, Zelensky instead doubled down on his ambitions (like reclaiming all land to 1991 borders) even though his military commanders knew that it's an impossble tasks.

So in the end Ukrainians will continue to be mauled, just because Zelensky won't let go of his personal ambitions. Zelensky's hard headed attitude is put into full use by the the guys living at the other side of the Atlantic to further use them as pawn.

It's a cycle of madness that will continue to grow, until there's no more Ukrainians left. And when Russians eventually enters Kyiv, the people would have asked What is all of this war for ?
 

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In short , we'll provide the meat, and the MIC guys get rich


It has come to my attention that NAFO has put so much emphasis on the technological superiority of the Western war machines, maybe to entice Ukrainians to be part of the"experience".

Instead what they were met with is WW2 style barrage in a WW1 strle trenches, complete with all the rodents chipping at their food, their clothes and their boots.

You do not have to live this way and you do not have to die after that. Aren't you guys a respectable members of a democratic society? What kind of democratic society sends its child to trenches which resembling a pig farm? Don't you have dignity? What kind of dignity you have as a so called free men when you can't safely walk in the street without getting kidnapped in broad daylight in front of your family to be sent to die so that the MIC could use you to justify increased defense spending 💰💰💰💰💰.

Wake up and stop being a pawn.
 

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Why not to continue? Personally for me it is not that bad deal. Orban, Wildeers , T Carlson , Le Pain and other demagogue are beside themselves. Christians killing Christians? Instead, they can kill Bosnians , Albanians,Pomaks, Turks , Caucasians , Central Asians?
Why waist the resources on Ivan killing Sasha? When they can kill Mehmed Beg? They couldn't do it 1992 95 , but hey, everyone needs the second chance, don't they?
If Russia wins, then in that case , : The Colonised" brothers would finally get the revenge, thorough dildo , against the west.
It kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
One is revenge against The West, the other one is benefits of marring the remaining Balkan blond women and talking about us as people talk about red Indians.
Maybe, we Bosnians should call our guy, the governor of Ukraine Kara Ahmed Pasha instead Sari Ahmed Pasha ?
 

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A video from the battlefield near the Ukrainian city of Stepove has attracted attention in recent days.

It shows how two Ukrainian soldiers in an American-donated Bradley personnel carrier destroy a Russian T-90M tank.


The duel is sensational because the relatively new T-90M is Russia's best and most advanced tank. Putin has called it "the best tank in the world".

The video shows how the T-90M is isolated on the battlefield as it is shot through by the Bradley's 25mm cannon.




There are three things you can watch forever. Like this Ukrainian M2 Bradley IFV obliterating a «no-analogue» Russian T-90M tank.
The Ukrainian media TCH has interviewed one of the soldiers who destroyed the Russian tank. He says that he has just returned to the front after a training stay in Germany.

He had long feared meeting the Russian tank on the battlefield, he says.

"I can't express how it feels when you see it in the crosshairs," says the soldier, who calls himself Serhij. »During training I said "God forbid I see such a tank".«


"Yes, it was scary. But I think we managed it well,' he says.

The soldier tells how he used his experience from computer games to attack the Russian tank.

"Since I have played computer games, I could remember everything. How to hit it and where.'


The military media The Drive writes that many war games over the years have emphasized how armored tanks must be hit where the armor is thinnest - often near the tank's cannon.

source: https://www.berlingske.dk/internati...erdens-bedste-kampvogn-opsigtsvaekkende-video
 

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A video from the battlefield near the Ukrainian city of Stepove has attracted attention in recent days.

It shows how two Ukrainian soldiers in an American-donated Bradley personnel carrier destroy a Russian T-90M tank.


The duel is sensational because the relatively new T-90M is Russia's best and most advanced tank. Putin has called it "the best tank in the world".

The video shows how the T-90M is isolated on the battlefield as it is shot through by the Bradley's 25mm cannon.




The Ukrainian media TCH has interviewed one of the soldiers who destroyed the Russian tank. He says that he has just returned to the front after a training stay in Germany.

He had long feared meeting the Russian tank on the battlefield, he says.

"I can't express how it feels when you see it in the crosshairs," says the soldier, who calls himself Serhij. »During training I said "God forbid I see such a tank".«


"Yes, it was scary. But I think we managed it well,' he says.

The soldier tells how he used his experience from computer games to attack the Russian tank.

"Since I have played computer games, I could remember everything. How to hit it and where.'


The military media The Drive writes that many war games over the years have emphasized how armored tanks must be hit where the armor is thinnest - often near the tank's cannon.

source: https://www.berlingske.dk/internati...erdens-bedste-kampvogn-opsigtsvaekkende-video
The gunner first tried to fire anti-armor, but there was a problem (either anti-armor rounds or ATGM, not clear). After that he started hitting the tank at its vulnerable spots and managed to take out the turret control system.

What a badass! :cool::cool::cool:
 

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Ukraine doesn't have 1.5 billion people in its inventory to throw, last time I checked their population had already plummeted to 28 million people (from 44 million pre-Feb 2022). They are very dependent on weapons imports and get very upset whenever their American masters refuse them weapons. This is not the same tough mentality with Palestinians.

So add the factors such as:

  1. Demographies
  2. Lack of Resolve
  3. Lack of Resources
  4. Declining support from Western paymasters

You keep touting the support of 1.5 Billion people for Palestine, but what we see so far is the Saudis intercepting Houthi missiles aimed at Israel and the Egyptians shutting the border crossing. There is almost no help for Palestinians from their 1.5 B supporters.

On the other hand, you keep saying Ukrainians are alone and have Western “masters”, but the situation is very different. Ukraine continues to receive constant help in both weapons and money.

If we look at the reality, Ukraine has very strong support while Palestine is left to fend for itself. When are the 1.5 B people going to send advanced weapons to Palestine?

You keep criticizing the West for using Ukraine as a proxy, but the reality is that Ukraine receives lots of help to defend itself, while nobody is helping Palestine.

As for your conclusion that Putin will conquer Kyiv and Ukrainians will realize they died for nothing, that’s just speculation, and it will most likely prove to be false.

There are two likely outcomes for this war:
1. There is a negotiated peace along the war borders, which will most likely be very similar to what they are now.
2. The Russian Federation will collapse into civil war and Ukraine will take back all its territory, while various new republics will emerge from the ashes of the collapsed Russian Federation. Buryatia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Tuva, Tatarstan are just some examples of potential new countries resulting from the collapse of this evil empire.

Don’t be fooled by the rethoric you see in the Western media about the lack of ammunition and potential defeat of Ukraine. This is just smoke and mirrors dsigned to fool Putin into thinking he is on the right track, in order to continue to send his people to certain death in meat waves. The Western propaganda machine is a lot more intelligent than Russia’s. The West always wants to look weaker than it really is, in order to fool its enemies into action. Putin fell for this trap when he invaded Ukraine, and continues to fall for it now by continuing his inefficient offensive that costs a lot of lives and equipment.

The West will not abandon Ukraine, and Russia will lose the war.
 

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You keep touting the support of 1.5 Billion people for Palestine, but what we see so far is the Saudis intercepting Houthi missiles aimed at Israel and the Egyptians shutting the border crossing. There is almost no help for Palestinians from their 1.5 B supporters.

On the other hand, you keep saying Ukrainians are alone and have Western “masters”, but the situation is very different. Ukraine continues to receive constant help in both weapons and money.

If there's anything that the global conflicts of the last 20 years taught us, is that in general, Muslims didn't surrender the cause when the odds were overwhelmingly against them. This is why you saw the return of the Taliban in power after 20 years of 'hopeless' fights against the largest military coalition ever assembled (ISAF), this is why you see even after 20 years of the U.S attempting to kill and delegitimize jihadi militancy, there's actually more conflicts popping out all over the world with jihad as its sole purpose.

This is in contrast with the West which despite all of its advantages in wealth and technology, tended to lose interest and eventually lose. It happened in Viet Nam, it happened in Afghanistan and sooner or later likely happened in Ukraine.

The issue of Palestine didn't stop if let's say all Palestinians are wiped out, if Hamas is destroyed then somebody else will take the militancy, not the same in Ukraine whose entire lifeline is on donor's support, and even then could not convince its citizens to continue fighting (they rather cross the Carpathians to Romania as refugees)



If we look at the reality, Ukraine has very strong support while Palestine is left to fend for itself. When are the 1.5 B people going to send advanced weapons to Palestine?

Yes, Western support is always strong at the beginning and withered away in the end. This is what I noted in my previous piece. It is not the amount of weapons that I'm interested in, rather it's the trend of support

You keep criticizing the West for using Ukraine as a proxy, but the reality is that Ukraine receives lots of help to defend itself, while nobody is helping Palestine.

Correct Ukraine is a mere proxy, there's a reason why in this very forum you have people declaring that Ukraine is their best investment even if Ukraine is defeated because according to them if it ended with such still they would have "destroyed a sizeable portion of Russia's Soviet inherited military equipment". I'm sure you've read that piece back then.

Ukraine, just like Israel manages to exist with the help of foreign powers, once those powers eventually retreated, their existence retreated as well, this is not what Palestine is facing, because they have no foreign patron that helps them to exist. If the U.S suddenly automagically ceased to exist, people in israel would figure out the hard way what we are planning to do with them. and there's like 1.5 Billion of us with the same uniform plan hehe.

PS : Islam will reach 2.5 billion people by the end of this century, so israel should ponder what 2.5 billion people strong Muslims across the world plan to do with them once their U.S patron is out


As for your conclusion that Putin will conquer Kyiv and Ukrainians will realize they died for nothing, that’s just speculation, and it will most likely prove to be false.

There are two likely outcomes for this war:
1. There is a negotiated peace along the war borders, which will most likely be very similar to what they are now.
2. The Russian Federation will collapse into civil war and Ukraine will take back all its territory, while various new republics will emerge from the ashes of the collapsed Russian Federation. Buryatia, Dagestan, Chechnya, Tuva, Tatarstan are just some examples of potential new countries resulting from the collapse of this evil empire.

Don’t be fooled by the rethoric you see in the Western media about the lack of ammunition and potential defeat of Ukraine. This is just smoke and mirrors dsigned to fool Putin into thinking he is on the right track, in order to continue to send his people to certain death in meat waves. The Western propaganda machine is a lot more intelligent than Russia’s. The West always wants to look weaker than it really is, in order to fool its enemies into action. Putin fell for this trap when he invaded Ukraine, and continues to fall for it now by continuing his inefficient offensive that costs a lot of lives and equipment.

The West will not abandon Ukraine, and Russia will lose the war.

Look I'm not saying it WILL be like that, but then again the trend is clear. Russia is not the one having problems with mobilizing manpower, Ukraine does. Russia is not the one whose leaders must travel the world begging for weapons, Ukraine does.

In my piece before I tell people how easily the West got themselves distracted by menial issues. Back in the Afghan war, the U.S. lost interest in searching for justice for 911 somewhere in 2005 (according to CNN), just 4 years after the devastating attack on the WTC, and since then has moved its efforts in Afghanistan to a COIN based operation with no clear end game. The 2008 global meltdown gave birth to an entire generation of anti-war, anti-establishment + conspiracy crazy generation which put much stress for the U.S to continue the war in Afghanistan. The war took a turn from "Justice for 911" to "Why the hell are we in the Middle East ?" in a very short span of time.

Then you add the China paranoia, the rise of QAnon and Trumpism and in the end the U.S left Afghanistan the same way the left Saigon in 1975 even though years before, their leadership has bullshitted the media by declaring everything is going their way,


or how they will fight so that Democracies will not fall under Communism and Islamism. etc etc.

The war in Ukraine is only 2 years old and we already saw the kind of defeatism that is rife in Germany in 1944-45, with increasingly sober assessment that war isn't going their way. Add that to the stress in the Pacific, the upcoming culture wars in Europe between the whites and the black immigrants, or between the Left and the Right or the issue of Palestine that again will suck the U.S into a death spiral of perpetual conflict and you'll finally come to the conclusion that not many of these enthusiastic supporters of Ukraine actually puts Ukraine in their priority lists.

Russia is not guaranteed win, not yet, but they're increasingly confident in and rightly do so. The question is, how many more men Ukraine's is going to throw under the bin before they realize that their war is futile ?
 
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They said, the more dire the situation comes, the crazier the directives of the emperor


Zelensky has signed a decree which enabled him to play "protector" on certain Russian territories that is "historically inhabited" by Ukrainians. This reminded me of Ukrainians's (unofficial) national hero, Adolf Hitler when he directed his generals to move non-existent military divisions that existed only on maps just before the downfall.

 

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In my piece before I tell people how easily the West got themselves distracted by menial issues. Back in the Afghan war, the U.S. lost interest in searching for justice for 911 somewhere in 2005 (according to CNN), just 4 years after the devastating attack on the WTC, and since then has moved its efforts in Afghanistan to a COIN based operation with no clear end game.
The Afghan war made no sense for the US public. Why waste resources to figt the Taliban, when they represented no threat for the US?

On the other hand, Ukraine is of great importance to the EU, and so is Russia. Weakening Russia is beneficial for both Europe and the US, unlike weakening the Taliban which had no strategic benefit.

The long term plan of the EU includes Ukraine, so this is a very long game. This is a conflict on the doorsteps of the EU, not on some far away place like Afghanistan or Vietnam. Even if some Western countries will get bored with Ukraine, there will always be the Eastern European countries who will remind them of the Ukrainian plight and the Russian threat.

Russia is not guaranteed win, not yet, but they're increasingly confident in and rightly do so. The question is, how many more men Ukraine's is going to throw under the bin before they realize that their war is futile ?

Russia should be increasingly worried, not confident. They are constantly losing their initial advantages, and the attrition war favors Ukraine. While Russia doesn’t have incremental weapons to bring to the table, Ukraine is constantly upgrading its arsenal and capabilities.

The defensive stance Ukrainians have taken lately is extremely effective, as they are killing a large number of Russians with very little losses. At the same time, they are slowly upgrading their weapons from ex-Soviet to NATO standards, increasing accuracy and survivability.

Take the French Caesar artillery for example. They are constantly receiving new units at a higher rate than the units they are losing. France has greatly increased the production rate, and is able to constantly provide Ukraine with more units. One year ago, Ukraine had very few Caesars and had to use them in selected parts of the front, but the more it gets, the more it can spread them across the entire battlefield. European countries have increased ammunition production, and this will results in a higher rate of fire for the Ukrainians, with more precise munitions.

Add to that the increased military production of Ukraine, which builds huge numbers of drones, and it improves its long range capabilities every few months. If the war continues for a few more years, Moscow and St Petersburg will become constant targets of Ukrainian rockets and drones, and so will the Russian war industry and oil and gas terminals.

Ukraine lives on donations and its economy is kept alive by a never ending influx of foreign money, Russia cannot win an economic war against the EU, US and Canada combined. If Ukraine manages to keep the number of casualities low, it can keep on fighting forever. Russia on the other hand will collapse economically, and it is also losing men at a much higher rate.

And I forgot to mention that Ukraine will get F16s soon, and step by step the air war will turn in Ukraine’s favor as well.

Russia is fighting a losing war it cannot win. If they were smart, they would withdraw from the occupied territories and sue for peace. But Putin is too arrogant and stupid to accept defeat, and he will ruin his country in his failed attempt to save face.
 

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Poland's 🇵🇱 President, Donald Tusk is in Kyiv visiting Ukraine. A new military aid package for the Ukrainians has been announced, however, the details of the package have not yet been disclosed.

More importantly, however, Poland and Ukraine have signed an agreement allowing ongoing, direct sales from the Polish arms industry to the Ukrainian military. Poland is extending Ukraine a fiscal loan in order to make the first batch of purchases under this new agreement. No specific details have been released yet regarding what Ukraine will purchase from Poland, but passed purchases of Polish weapons (funded by Ukraine and others) give us an indication of what to expect.

- AHS Krab 155mm self-propelled howitzers. Ukraine previously purchased 54 units in 2022 using EU funding.

-M120 RAK, 120mm self-propelled mortars. Ukraine purchased 24 units in 2023, with EU and American funding.

- KTO Rosomak infantry fighting vehicles. Ukraine purchased 100 units from Poland in 2023 and Poland matched the purchase with 100 additional units.

- Warmate kamikaze drones. Previously donated to Ukraine by Poland in previous military aid packages. Built by Polishbfirm WB Electonics.

- 155mm, 152mm artillery shells and 122mm GRAD rockets. Poland has been an important supplier of artillery shells to Ukraine since the outset of the war, especially Soviet caliber shells and rockets.

 
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Actually goes both ways, yes Russians didn't need to die senselessly in this war. But I commend Putin, he uses his nation's potential to advance his interest, unlike the West who uses Ukrainian meat to advance theirs.



The correct explanation is : Russia did start this phase of the war, but the entire conflict originated from the greed of so-called "Western democracies" and was enticed to a bloodbath by Ukraine.



This is an oversimplification of a complex topic, maybe one day I'll create a thread to explain why this war started from and by the West.



Lie, even if they did once, there's no point anymore, not with BlackRock taking over their country.

There is no stimulus to keep fighting other than the fact that your life (singular) will be used to the full potential of someone else's living on the other side of the ocean to keep the money flowing for the MIC. When you die, no one will remember you other than a list of numbers that Ukraine's own government won't showcase to the world.




Nonsense, I'm always critical of this war's narrative (both from Russia's and Ukraine's), of course, the war in Palestine only accelerated my suspicion of the entire fraud that is Western democracies and the liberal world order. I'm not pro-Russia, I'm merely transitioning to a more neutral perspective where both Russia and the West as equal evil, with Ukraine stuck in the middle used as a pawn.

I don't need people to lecture me on what Russia is all about, I'm already witnessing Russian conduct since the Syrian war. In fact it my experience watching the Syrian civil war that allows me to write this:


So when I entice peace of course I know what I'm talking about. This is not just spewing nonsense, but I couldn't see Ukrainians survive this anyway, so why prolong suffering? certainly human lives is more important than the profit the MIC made from this war, but no, continue cheerleading a war that you yourself would not spend 5 minutes in.



I want them to make peace and stop being a pawn for outside interference. Unlike Ukraine, Palestine is an issue of a combined 1.5 billion people, if Palestinian Arabs are decimated their fellow Arabs in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and as far way as Morocco and Indonesia will continue the struggle. People might have forgotten that Palestine is a country carved froma region called levant. This is like for example Anatolia is carved into multiple nation by colonizers into separate state of Konya, Sanliurfa, Antalya etc. Of course continuing fighting is the preferred options, becuase people surrounding you (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan etc) are the exact same people as you.

Ukraine doesn't have 1.5 billion people in its inventory to throw, last time I checked their population had already plummeted to 28 million people (from 44 million pre-Feb 2022). They are very dependent on weapons imports and get very upset whenever their American masters refuse them weapons. This is not the same tough mentality with Palestinians.

So add the factors such as:

  1. Demographies
  2. Lack of Resolve
  3. Lack of Resources
  4. Declining support from Western paymasters

It's wise for ANY statesmen to back down and think for the nation's well being. But no, Zelensky instead doubled down on his ambitions (like reclaiming all land to 1991 borders) even though his military commanders knew that it's an impossble tasks.

So in the end Ukrainians will continue to be mauled, just because Zelensky won't let go of his personal ambitions. Zelensky's hard headed attitude is put into full use by the the guys living at the other side of the Atlantic to further use them as pawn.

It's a cycle of madness that will continue to grow, until there's no more Ukrainians left. And when Russians eventually enters Kyiv, the people would have asked What is all of this war for ?

Blackrock taking over the country? That's one of the most bizarre narratives I've ever read. That's almost up there along with flat earth theories!

And so much of your narrative is really unfair on the West and makes Putin's Russia sound like some peaceful country that was minding its business until provoked past the point of no return. Yes you could argue that NATOs expansion was provocative, but in no way does the expansion of a purely defensive (thus far) alliance justify, or gives a valid excuse for Russia to behave the way it has. Putin's actions are only valid, if you sincerely believe that if he had taken no action then Russia was going to be invaded, or that Russia had a right to attempt to invade and conquer independent democratic countries that once made up the USSR or had some other historical links.

The West until Putin began showing what a maniac he is, had stopped viewing Russia as the 'enemy' and wanted nothing more for them to join them in the group of nations trying to keep the world on an even keel. They had no intentions of ever invading, or taking over Russia, and so enlarging the NATO alliance just seemed like a natural thing to do that shouldn't have felt threatening to any right thinking person. It is in fact, only threatening, to a country that harbours ambitions of future wars and new conquests on the continent. Some people make it sound like Russia was being a perfectly reliable and peaceful international partner until big evil NATO dared to invite more nations into its alliance.

When the USSR collapsed, the moment of victory for the Western powers, did the West march in? Did the West take over, swoop in, secure the nukes and plant a pro western puppet in the Kremlin? No they didn't. They probably could have, and its certainly what USSR would have tried had roles been reversed. When the USA nuked Japan, did we stay and keep their territory and claim it as our own? Did they hold onto Iraq and Afghanistan regardless of the cost? No. For a moment, just consider Russia in those situations, and ask yourself what would they have done? Russia would have bombed / invaded just the same if they were in Americas position, but what came afterwards would have been very very different. If you can give an honest answer to that question, then you can never claim that Western regimes are comparable to Putin's. In fact, if Moscow and the Kremlin had been attacked like New York was on 9/11, my hunch is that Putin would have simply just dropped a nuke on Afghanistan.

You could argue the West were naïve, and a little stupid, but blaming them for starting this war by their expansion of NATO is just a ridiculous perspective unless viewed through an extremely pro-Russian pro-Putin lens. If your thinking is correct, then why did Putin not make clear that any further expansion would be viewed as a declaration of war and force him into offensive actions? The answer is pretty obvious, because instead he preferred to use it as a convenient excuse to try and gobble up the remaining non-NATO countries while he still could.

I can also disagree that Russia will ever enter Kiev, at least not in this war / decade / life time. If they couldn't do it at the start of the war, with Ukraine in chaos, caught unprepared, how on earth will Russia do it now? Its another huge red flag about your posts, that you never mention, discuss, or post about the horrific Russian losses and unbelievably embarrassing performance of their armed forces thus far. I could have missed it, but its the biggest talking point of this whole conflict, and you gloss over it like a paid Russian troll would.

Then you mention Zelenskys hard headed attitude? He is literally the ideal war leader from what i have seen. He is someone i would want in charge of my nation if it were ever invaded without cause. It sounds like if you were a Ukrainian national you would be perfectly happy to roll over when your country got invaded and not resist at all? I can presume that your own country could never count on your service if your own country was ever invaded and you would be happily waving the white flag and welcoming your new overlords with open arms instead of being 'hard headed' and god forbid actually put up a fight. Will you not admit that their war performance so far has been incredible, against terrible odds, and has been so far a success that no-one would have predicted?

1.5 billion pro-palestinian people to continue the struggle? The majority of these billion plus people have barely lifted a finger to do anything to relieve Palestine's suffering over the past 50 years, cant see them doing much in the future, other than what Hezbollah and the Houthis are doing now, which is offer some half hearted token attacks to show 'support' (in reality doing just enough to claim credit amongst the Muslim world for supporting the cause, helping to prop up their regimes, so they can continue enriching themselves, all the while risking very little of importance).

I hate targeting a persons posting like this, but so many of your views are so extreme, so black and white, and seem to be deducing grand conspiracies and sweeping plans of domination and western hegemony out what is instead an unbelievably entangled messy and complex global political legacy we are currently dealing with. Its a mixture of western incompetence, poor communication, and Russia refusing to give up dreams of conquering more territory that led us to this point, and funnily enough its similar thinking and faulty logic like your own that fuels the fire and the cycle of madness that you mention.

You want Ukraine to make peace. How on earth does that work? You basically want them to surrender huge swathes of their land, and put trust that Putin in the future wont try some similar and grab even more land? Can you not see what an impossible ask that is? If you were in Zelenskys shoes, are you really telling me you would just give up, and just cross your fingers that in a few years time you wont just be facing the same thing again once Russia has made up its losses? So much of what you said just doesnt make any sense to me whatsoever!
 
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Early in the war, people were posting great snippets from Russian TV debates, with translation. I found them fascinating to see how russian tv is portraying the war. Can anyone point me in the direction of more of these and more recent ones?
 

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