Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Gary]

Mocking people defending their country and dying for it. Hope nobody will invade Indonesia

I've seen worse from their side (against civilians without guns)

Whatever you see me do here, I merely repay the service back

 

[Gary]

After Russia liberate Ukraine, Syrski shall get thee medal. He is such a great help

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792060562404237464

 

[Packetlight]

I think most of them at this point understand the futility of fighting. Many will voluntarily surrender which is the better option than dying in trenches.

Exactly!


Either they surrender or get killed.

 

[TR_123456]

Exactly!


Either they surrender or get killed.

Check your alerts.

 

[Anastasius]

Just a friendly reminder that Zelensky tenure as president ends today.

From now on this will be a contest between democratically elected Putin against unelected Zelensky.

"democratically elected Putin"

Even actual Russians don't believe that LMAO.

 

[Gary]

"democratically elected Putin"

Even actual Russians don't believe that LMAO.

That's your problem mate

 

[Gary]

Brought to you by tiny country Estonia

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792421163370700852

 

[Relic]

Three imporant updates about additional aid for Ukraine.

1. Today the EU Council approved the confiscation of 3 Billion Euros ($3.25 Billion usd) worth of profits from assets frozen in European banks. The profits will be distributed to Ukraine via the following allotments. 90% will be used to support Ukraine's military needs. 10% will go towards a fund for thr future rebuild of Ukraine.

2. The German Finance Minister supports the Defense Ministry in allocating an extra $3.8 billion Euros ($4.2 Billion usd) in military spending to Ukraine in 2024, bringing Germany's total to $11 Billion Euros ($12 Billion usd). Germany is also asking Parliament for $15 Billion Euros ($16.3 Billion usd) in military aid for Ukraine in 2025.

3. Germany is now reportedly warming to the idea of providing Ukraine with an additional $50 Billion usd worth of aid, in a package that would be delivered in late 2024 or early 2025. The aid would be backed by the profits garnished by Russia's frozen assets across the G7. It would serve as a de-facto loan, with repayment coming from the frozen asset profits.

EU Council approves confiscation of profits from Russian assets in favour of Ukraine

On 21 May, the EU Council approved the transfer of proceeds from taxable excess profits of frozen Russian assets to Ukraine.

www.pravda.com.ua

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-military-aid-ukraine-rise-by-38-billion-euros-source-2024-05-21/

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Relic]

This is why continued military aid from USA is so imporant for Ukraine.

Over the last 1.5 years Ukraine has lost 79 of the 200 Bradley IFVs that the Americans originally sent them. They were facing a 40% attrition rate, as would be expected given the heavy fighting they've been involved in.

USA has fully rectified this. In the last 3 weeks the Americans have quietly sent an additional 100 Bradleys to Ukraine, not only fully replacing the losses that they had I initially suffered, bringing Ukraine's Bradley to strength to the highest total it's been (approximately 220 units) since the beginning of the war.

The United States Has Given Ukraine a Hundred M-2 Bradley Fighting Vehicles in Just Two Weeks

That's enough vehicles to rebuild Ukraine's sole Bradley brigade and also form a second one

daxe.substack.com

 

[contricusc]

Brought to you by tiny country Estonia

Kaya is right. The breaking up of Russia into smaller states would be the best possible outcome of this war. Just like the Soviet Union has been broken into several states and some of them have become democratic and prosperous, Russia should end up broken into smaller pieces, since this is the natural end of an empire.

Everyone would be safer and better off in the long term if this empire is finished once and for all. Look how better and moree peaceful Europe is since the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian empire into smaller states. They no longer pose a threat to their neighbors and themselves. They are too small to have imperialistic ambitions again, so they have to live in peace.

 

[Gary]

Kaya is right. The breaking up of Russia into smalle states would be the best possible outcome of this war. Just like the Soviet Union has been broken into several states and some of them have become democratic and prosperous, Russia should end up broken into smaller pieces, since this is the natural end of an empire.

Everyone would be safer and better off in the long term if this empire is finished once and for all. Look how better and moree peaceful Europe is since the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian empire into smaller states. They no longer pose a threat to their neighbors and themselves. They are too small to have imperialistic ambitions again, so they have to live in peace.

You know, one of the thing I noted and debated ferociously in another thread against @schuimpjes is that democracy is a system inherently designed so that imbeciles could climb to the top.

People who would otherwise unable to run a kindergarten would now find themselves in charge of the affairs of a whole country.

This is why democracies came up with the likes of Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Trump, Farage etc. Because it's a system that rewards rhetorics on top of fine statecraft, an anti-thesis of what democracies insist they are not (they relegate this to the likes of Iran, North Korea).

Athens, the home origin of representative democracies succumbed TWICE over its history that could be contributed to its democratic process.

The first is during the Peloponesian war. Pericles, a strategos, a military general, for 20 straight years, was credited with turning the Damian league into the Athenian empire. Using his unmatched rhetorical skill to command the assembly, Pericles became the de facto ruler of Athens. His time is a time of great power and wealth for Athens.

Think about Pericles as the ancient Greek equivalent of Ronald Reagan. Everyone wants to emulate him and associate with him. After his death, the Athenian assembly members, as Thucydides noted would 'try to emulate him' by not being an actual fine statesman, but by championing rhetorics that that succumb to people's base desire and whims.
One of those men is Pericles's nephew, Alcibiades. Who gains the top spot by bullshitting the masses the same way modern 'elected leaders (think Trump, Farage) secure their seats. He advocated for the resumption of wars against Sparta that had just concluded with the Peace of Nicias.

Peace of Nicias - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Athens (with the advocacy of Alcibiades) allied with another city-state, Argos. To incite a democratic revolution against Sparta. The plot was discovered, Sparta defeated Athens in the Battle of Mantinea and the alliance was broken. The Peloponnesian war resumed. If anyone asked where modern democracies came up with the idea of color revolutions, like in Hong Kong against China or open statements to democratize Russia by breaking it into smaller pieces like Kaja Kallas wished, there's where it originally came from.

while at war with Sparta, you would've thought that these fine men, these 'elected leaders' would use the so-called superior democratic process to make the war as efficient and as rational as possible, but you could've not been more wrong.

The war witnessed the failure of the Sicilian expedition, where 60.000 Athenians died in vain for an expedition that was initiated by Alcibiades' political whims, not by an actual military value, where he ironically defected to Sparta to avoid trial in Athens for the disaster.

Sicilian Expedition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The ever-shifting assembly of Athens meant that after a few years, Sparta, a land power was now powerful enough to create a navy on par with Athens.

To maintain naval supremacy and command of the seas, the assembly once again resorted to classic democracy-style populism. They came up with the idea that rowers, who were most often slaves (because traditional Greek ships are heavily dependent on oars) would be granted citizenship and given freedom from slavery if the enlisted. This fleet, manned by inexperienced slaves and opportunist won the naval battle against Sparta in Arginusae, due to first and foremost the tactical prowess of Athenian admirals.

Battle of Arginusae - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the Athenians assembled a scratch force composed largely of newly-constructed ships manned by inexperienced crews. The inexperienced fleet was thus tactically inferior to the Spartans, but its commanders circumvented the problem by employing new and unorthodox tactics, which allowed the Athenians to secure a dramatic and unexpected victory. Slaves and metics who participated in the battle may have been granted Athenian citizenship.​

So now that these slaves are now Athenian citizens, they could participate in the 'democratic process'. And do you know what they came up with?

A public trial against the generals and admirals. Whom the new citizens accuse of not collecting the bodies of their dead. Peter Hunt suggest that the issue was brought to light by greedy Athenian politicians that lamented the loss of slaves and put the blame squarely on the generals.

So the assembly held trial, and the generals were condemned to death. The creme de la creme of Athens was wiped out, getting rid of by Athens themselves. Just 2 years later (404 BC), Sparta would conquer Athens.

You would've thought that the failure of democracy that turned Athens from a hegemon into a loser in a span of just 50 years, would've thought the AThenians a lesson to learn. But it couldn't be more false. Athens using the same democratic process that rewards imbeciles would again succumb to defeat by the sheer stupidity of its politicians, enabled by the democracy itself.

Athens would spend the centuries after the death of Socrates electing political demagogue after political demagogue until finally things came to a head in 323 BC, when Alexander the Great died. Athens, eager to avenge past losses elected to go to war. Only one person in the assembly, Phocion is sane enough to understand why going to war with Macedonian empire, prolly the greatest power to emerge on planet earth up to that point is at best suicidal.

But Athens go to war anyway, and got defeated, this time permanently as Macedonia strips them of their democratic power and institutons.

Now back to Kaja Kallas, one must not be a political expert to tell that the country where Kaja Kallas rules, Estonia which has less population than Jakarta and simply exists because they're fortunate enough that the Cold War goes the American way and not the other way shall not be the one who poke Russia, a country many times its size and happens to have nukes.

But Kaja simply don't care, because hating Russia and coming up with outrageous statements is so popular in that part of the West (Eastern Europe), Kaja could afford this demagoguery up until a certain point where Estonia and Estonian themselves will be forced to face the consequence of her action.

The Americans will not be there forever, already we are witnessing the signs of a declining empire, and Kaja choose this time to come up full force against a neighbor that would stay there when the American were packing back.

Then there's simply the democratic process that is naturally inclined to reward imbeciles and tadaaaa

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of an attempted attack by Ukrainian FPV kamikaze drones on a Russian serviceman. There were reportedly 7 drone attacks in total, but not all attacks are shown in the video. It is worth noting that the soldier walks calmly and makes almost no attempt to dodge the drones. But the drones cannot hit the soldier. It is possible that the serviceman is using a portable electronic warfare system. The location of the shooting has not been announced, the video has been shortened.

 

[Spitfire9]

Gloating about a destroyed S-400 radar won't stabilize the front line and halt the progressive collapse of Ukrainian position.
Neither will gloating about another sunk boat of the Black Sea fleet.
Or another attack on the Crimean bridge.
Or another refinery attack.
Or another terror shelling of Belgorod.

I agree with the view that shelling of civilian areas is a crime. When Belgorod is shelled, that is terror shelling according to you. What kind of shelling is it when Russia shells civilian areas according to you?

 

[Iskander]

Footage of an attempted attack by Ukrainian FPV kamikaze drones on a Russian serviceman. There were reportedly 7 drone attacks in total, but not all attacks are shown in the video. It is worth noting that the soldier walks calmly and makes almost no attempt to dodge the drones. But the drones cannot hit the soldier. It is possible that the serviceman is using a portable electronic warfare system. The location of the shooting has not been announced, the video has been shortened.

Don't talk nonsense, Russian electronic warfare does not exist. This soldier was clearly bewitched

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792988181723218211

 

[Anastasius]

That's your problem mate

My problem that even actual Russians aren't naive enough to believe that Putin was "democratically elected" to quote your own words?

You know, one of the thing I noted and debated ferociously in another thread against @schuimpjes is that democracy is a system inherently designed so that imbeciles could climb to the top.

People who would otherwise unable to run a kindergarten would now find themselves in charge of the affairs of a whole country.

This is why democracies came up with the likes of Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Trump, Farage etc. Because it's a system that rewards rhetorics on top of fine statecraft, an anti-thesis of what democracies insist they are not (they relegate this to the likes of Iran, North Korea).

Athens, the home origin of representative democracies succumbed TWICE over its history that could be contributed to its democratic process.

The first is during the Peloponesian war. Pericles, a strategos, a military general, for 20 straight years, was credited with turning the Damian league into the Athenian empire. Using his unmatched rhetorical skill to command the assembly, Pericles became the de facto ruler of Athens. His time is a time of great power and wealth for Athens.

Think about Pericles as the ancient Greek equivalent of Ronald Reagan. Everyone wants to emulate him and associate with him. After his death, the Athenian assembly members, as Thucydides noted would 'try to emulate him' by not being an actual fine statesman, but by championing rhetorics that that succumb to people's base desire and whims.
One of those men is Pericles's nephew, Alcibiades. Who gains the top spot by bullshitting the masses the same way modern 'elected leaders (think Trump, Farage) secure their seats. He advocated for the resumption of wars against Sparta that had just concluded with the Peace of Nicias.

Peace of Nicias - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Athens (with the advocacy of Alcibiades) allied with another city-state, Argos. To incite a democratic revolution against Sparta. The plot was discovered, Sparta defeated Athens in the Battle of Mantinea and the alliance was broken. The Peloponnesian war resumed. If anyone asked where modern democracies came up with the idea of color revolutions, like in Hong Kong against China or open statements to democratize Russia by breaking it into smaller pieces like Kaja Kallas wished, there's where it originally came from.

while at war with Sparta, you would've thought that these fine men, these 'elected leaders' would use the so-called superior democratic process to make the war as efficient and as rational as possible, but you could've not been more wrong.

The war witnessed the failure of the Sicilian expedition, where 60.000 Athenians died in vain for an expedition that was initiated by Alcibiades' political whims, not by an actual military value, where he ironically defected to Sparta to avoid trial in Athens for the disaster.

Sicilian Expedition - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The ever-shifting assembly of Athens meant that after a few years, Sparta, a land power was now powerful enough to create a navy on par with Athens.

To maintain naval supremacy and command of the seas, the assembly once again resorted to classic democracy-style populism. They came up with the idea that rowers, who were most often slaves (because traditional Greek ships are heavily dependent on oars) would be granted citizenship and given freedom from slavery if the enlisted. This fleet, manned by inexperienced slaves and opportunist won the naval battle against Sparta in Arginusae, due to first and foremost the tactical prowess of Athenian admirals.

Battle of Arginusae - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the Athenians assembled a scratch force composed largely of newly-constructed ships manned by inexperienced crews. The inexperienced fleet was thus tactically inferior to the Spartans, but its commanders circumvented the problem by employing new and unorthodox tactics, which allowed the Athenians to secure a dramatic and unexpected victory. Slaves and metics who participated in the battle may have been granted Athenian citizenship.​

So now that these slaves are now Athenian citizens, they could participate in the 'democratic process'. And do you know what they came up with?

A public trial against the generals and admirals. Whom the new citizens accuse of not collecting the bodies of their dead. Peter Hunt suggest that the issue was brought to light by greedy Athenian politicians that lamented the loss of slaves and put the blame squarely on the generals.

So the assembly held trial, and the generals were condemned to death. The creme de la creme of Athens was wiped out, getting rid of by Athens themselves. Just 2 years later (404 BC), Sparta would conquer Athens.

You would've thought that the failure of democracy that turned Athens from a hegemon into a loser in a span of just 50 years, would've thought the AThenians a lesson to learn. But it couldn't be more false. Athens using the same democratic process that rewards imbeciles would again succumb to defeat by the sheer stupidity of its politicians, enabled by the democracy itself.

Athens would spend the centuries after the death of Socrates electing political demagogue after political demagogue until finally things came to a head in 323 BC, when Alexander the Great died. Athens, eager to avenge past losses elected to go to war. Only one person in the assembly, Phocion is sane enough to understand why going to war with Macedonian empire, prolly the greatest power to emerge on planet earth up to that point is at best suicidal.

But Athens go to war anyway, and got defeated, this time permanently as Macedonia strips them of their democratic power and institutons.

Now back to Kaja Kallas, one must not be a political expert to tell that the country where Kaja Kallas rules, Estonia which has less population than Jakarta and simply exists because they're fortunate enough that the Cold War goes the American way and not the other way shall not be the one who poke Russia, a country many times its size and happens to have nukes.

But Kaja simply don't care, because hating Russia and coming up with outrageous statements is so popular in that part of the West (Eastern Europe), Kaja could afford this demagoguery up until a certain point where Estonia and Estonian themselves will be forced to face the consequence of her action.

The Americans will not be there forever, already we are witnessing the signs of a declining empire, and Kaja choose this time to come up full force against a neighbor that would stay there when the American were packing back.

Then there's simply the democratic process that is naturally inclined to reward imbeciles and tadaaaa

Fascinating history lesson @Gary, now kindly answer the following question.

Is Russia the country that invaded Ukraine and whose politicians continue to champion rhetoric of invading former states in the Russian sphere of influence if they happen to disagree with Russia on something?

If your answer devolves into "but ze WEST" even once then I take that as an automatic concession of defeat on your behalf.

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792988181723218211

I purpose renaming the planet Earth as planet Russia and we take Russia in NATO.

Diplomacy 101

 

[Relic]

I purpose renaming the planet Earth as planet Russia and we take Russia in NATO.

Diplomacy 101

A perfect move in response would be for NATO to allow Ukrainian operators to use dozens of sea drones in the Barents Sea so they can start "big game hunting" Russia's Northern Fleet. Those naval assets in the $250 million - $750 million usd range are extremely difficult to replace.

 

[Gary]

My problem that even actual Russians aren't naive enough to believe that Putin was "democratically elected" to quote your own words?

Putin won the election by an overwhelming 87% count. Think about it for a second. That's actual Russians voting in ballot boxes.

Your opinion is irrelevant.

Zelensky in comparison, not only cancels the election but justifies war to ensure the continuity of ruling. disgusting

Fascinating history lesson @Gary, now kindly answer the following question.

Is Russia the country that invaded Ukraine and

Look, the word 'invasion' carries a lot of negative baggage to begin with. To understand this you would want to argue from a position of good faith, without any strings attached.

whose politicians continue to champion rhetoric of invading former states in the Russian sphere of influence if they happen to disagree with Russia on something?

If your answer devolves into "but ze WEST" even once then I take that as an automatic concession of defeat on your behalf.

Look in any free country, you can put forward your opinion and the state will not guarantee that your opinion will materialize to begin with. Russian politicians could threaten all they want and their opinion will have to get through multiple selection of mechanisms to actually move forward.

Did Russian politicians threaten to nuke NATO? Yes, do they actually nuke NATO? the answer is NO
Did Russian politicians threaten to invade Kazakhstan? Yes, do they actually invade Kazakhstan? the answer is NO
Did Russian politicians threaten to go all the way to the English channel? Yes, do they actually walk the talk? the answer is NO


Their threats are irrelevant.

 

[Iskander]

Kaya is right. The breaking up of Russia into smaller states would be the best possible outcome of this war. Just like the Soviet Union has been broken into several states and some of them have become democratic and prosperous, Russia should end up broken into smaller pieces, since this is the natural end of an empire.

Everyone would be safer and better off in the long term if this empire is finished once and for all. Look how better and moree peaceful Europe is since the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian empire into smaller states. They no longer pose a threat to their neighbors and themselves. They are too small to have imperialistic ambitions again, so they have to live in peace.

The collapse of Russia?
Probably all neighboring peoples dream of this wonderful dream. Because they all suffered from Russian great-power chauvinism. Even China. Moreover, it is believed that China suffered the most from Russia in terms of territorial losses. In the 19th century, Russia occupied 1,000,000 square kilometers of territory from China, and the Chinese certainly have not forgotten this. If Russia collapses, can you imagine what will happen?
This is what scares the West most – the strengthening of China at the expense of Russia.
If the West wanted the collapse of Russia, why did it save it from the Germans 80 years ago?
In fact, the West is responsible for the rise of Russia in the last 30 years. More precisely, in the first place - this is Germany.
Read what Admiral Rob Bauer, Senior Adviser to the NATO Secretary General, said: "We have long believed that if nations have mutual economic relations, there will never be a war between them. We had a contract with Gazprom, we thought we were buying oil and gas from the company, but when Putin ordered them to close the valve, it wasn't in the contract.
Can you imagine? “This was not in the contract”(!!!) In the contract with...Gazprom(!)!!! war was not envisaged.
This man is the chief adviser to NATO!!!
You see, they have an agreement with Gazprom!!! What the hell is this war!? After all, there is a contract!!!... Apparently, NATO considered the contract with the gas production company as a non-aggression pact!...
Next, listen to what this...genius says: - We were extremely naive, accepting the world as it was for the last thirty years. Military personnel and especially spies were perceived by everyone as people always looking for trouble. But I think we underestimated important signs: Russia in Georgia in 2008, in Crimea in 2014, in Ukraine in 2022. We saw that the Russians behaved differently, but they still said: “No, we need them economically.” And suddenly they were not as friendly as we wanted..
Suddenly, economic weapons were used against us, and everyone was surprised, although this should not have been done.”

It turns out that all this happened suddenly. For 20 years (!!!)

Over these 20 years, I have read thousands of analytical articles by Western experts. And I was always surprised and asked - in what world do these people live!?

A journalist asked one of these experts (a German): “Why did you never object in a discussion with a Russian expert? Don't you have any arguments? To which the German expert replied: “What arguments?! He's Russian! He could have shot me in the knees!”

NATO's chief adviser admits his naivety! Obviously he's in the wrong place.
A German expert flirts with his Russian colleague. His place is somewhere on the street near the red light districts.

Didn’t NATO know the colossal power of the Soviet military-industrial complex? Most of it was concentrated not in the “union” republics, but in Russia.
After all, the question should have arisen: “What will Russia do with its colossal military equipment and thousands of nuclear warheads!?”
Even from Ukraine, the West took all its nuclear missiles and handed them over to Russia.

All these 20 years reeked of obvious incompetence. Today we already see how it all ended