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Germany 🇩🇪, Belgium 🇧🇪, Norway 🇳🇴 and Denmark 🇩🇰 collectively announced a new military aid package for Ukraine today valued $1.5 Billion usd. The package consists of the following...

- Skynex Air Defense Systems
- Gepard Air Defense Systems
- Undisclosed Main Battle Tanks
- Undisclosed Armored Vehichles
- Panzerhaubitze 2000 Howitzers
- Reconnaissance Drones
- RADAR Systems
- IRIS-T Missiles
- 155mm Artillery Shells

The package in it's entirely will be delivered before the end of 2024.

 

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Training is a problem. To be useful to Ukraine, however, do pilots need to be trained fully in every aspect of NATO-style use of the F-16? Keeping pilots chasing cruise missiles and glide bombs well away from Russian air defence threats, for example, would be very useful. Again, low risk stand off attacks using glide bombs and missiles would also be useful. Using the F-16's for anything the MiG-29's ,Su-24's would otherwise need to do would help. And while the F-16's are engaged on those tasks, their pilots are building hours and experience.
 
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Do Ukrainian pilots need to be trained in every aspect of flying an F-16 in combat if they don't want to die real quick when coming up against Russians in equal-to-or-better planes and in higher numbers, with much more ground-to-air stuff backing them up?

Err, probably. It'd help.

That's generally a many-many-months to honestly probably-a-couple-years proposition, too. If they had a half-dozen qualified guys when two of the three top pilots were killed a couple months back, that figure's not going to be all that much higher now or into the near future.
 

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Do Ukrainian pilots need to be trained in every aspect of flying an F-16 in combat if they don't want to die real quick when coming up against Russians in equal-to-or-better planes and in higher numbers, with much more ground-to-air stuff backing them up?

Err, probably. It'd help.

That's generally a many-many-months to honestly probably-a-couple-years proposition, too. If they had a half-dozen qualified guys when two of the three top pilots were killed a couple months back, that figure's not going to be all that much higher now or into the near future.
Agreed, pilots should spend a long time training on F-16. Ukraine cannot do that, I think. It does not have the time. That is why I suggest using F-16 in lower risk areas to do lower risk jobs. Chasing cruise missiles well away from the front line seems a task they could do. When engaged by fighters, cruise missiles don't try to shoot fighters down.
 

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Russian servicemen shared their experience of using homemade robotic platforms in battles. Robotic platforms were used in battles in Ukraine and in Ugledar, robot models are not reported, transport models are shown.

 

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