Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Soldier30]

Ukrainian media published footage of a Russian armored vehicle column breaking through to the village of Novoekonomicheskoe, west of Mirnograd in the Pokrovsk direction. A group of armored vehicles broke through from Mirolyubovka and landed troops in the village of Novoekonomicheskoe. In the video, you can see attacks by Ukrainian FPV drones on armored vehicles; judging by the video, not a single tank was hit. The armored vehicle column consists of a lead tank and presumably several infantry fighting vehicles. All the vehicles are equipped with Tsar-Manlal-type protection, thanks to which the vehicles survived.

 

[harris]

I do agree that GDP is misleading in many ways, because of the price difference. But nominal GDP is still very relevant when it comes to the money available for imports and investment. When China buys oil from Saudi Arabia, it pays the same price as Europeans. It doesn’t matter that in China some products and services are cheaper than in Europe. When it comes to imports, they pay the same, and the higher GDP means more purchasing power.



While China may be ahead in some fields, it is behind Europe in many others.
They are more or less on the same level when it comes to total economic power, and it would be much more beneficial for China to befriend Europe instead of Russia, which is just a glorified gas station.



And you think European factories are not automated? The main advantages of China when it comes to manufacturing were the low wages and low environmental and safety standards. This is how it managed to attract so much industry. It is true that in recent times it has increased automation and productivity (wages have also increased), but don’t forget that a lot of the machinery that helps automate industry is made in Europe.



In most of Europe it is safe to go out late at night for everyone, and it is clean. But yes, there are some places where safety has deteriorated because of the uncontrolled immigration. Those are the exception, not the norm.

It’s true that the road infrastructure is lacking and needs upgrading, and that prices are higher than in China, but at least it is cheaper than in the US.

Anyway, the fact that China is on par with Europe at many levels, is even more advanced in some, and laggs behind in others, it doesn’t mean that China should ignore it’s strongest potential partner in counterbalancing US power for the sake of helping useless Russia.

China is psychologically accepting of Europe and also hopes for Europe's rise and be powerful

However, Europe has never shown an attitude of wanting to become an independent pole in the world. This attitude has disappointed China, so China has also lost patience with Europe.

if you are not independent pole, you should get off the table, be put into the menu. this is how trump treat Europe.

 

[contricusc]

if you are not independent pole, you should get off the table, be put into the menu. this is how trump treat Europe.

Yes, this is indeed how Trump is treating Europe. I just hope that Europeans will understand that without unity there is no future for Europe as a relevant global player.

Europe has many problems to solve, because it is made of many countries with different cultures, interests and languages, and a very confrontational past, but the project is advancing and with each new generation people will feel more European and less part of their nation.

Considering that half of Europe was under Soviet domination only 35 years ago, the things are progressing pretty well, and the war in Ukraine coupled with Trump’s attitude will help focus European unity and integration.

There is still a lot that needs to be done, but Europe will be back at the big guys table in a few decades, and it would be wise for China to choose Europe over Russia as an ally, because Russia is in an inevitable decline.

 

[GoatsMilk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1942620872390631662

 

[Relic]

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that in order to secure votes for the "Big Beautiful Bill" pro-Ukrainian Senators and Congressmen quietly demanded additional military aid for Ukraine behind the scenes. Apparently the Trump administration agreed and will start quietly sending weapons to Ukraine again, behind the scenes.

WSJ, citing multiple sources, is reporting that the White House has requested that the Pentagon prepare a new Patriot Battery for Ukraine from the U.S. existing inventory. The Americans are reportedly also working with European countries to facilitate the transfer of another European system as well.

2 additional Patriot Batteries would bring Ukraine to at least 10 in total... We know the following have been donated so far.

Germany : 3 Batteries
USA : 3 Batteries
Romania / Norway : 1 Battery
Israel : At least 1 Battery
USA : 1 Battery pending
European Union : 1 Battery pending

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/trump-says-putins-assurances-on-ukraine-meaningless-af8fc373

 

[Soldier30]

The drone war in Ukraine is actively developing. The video shows an attack by a Russian FPV drone on a Ukrainian remotely controlled robotic platform delivering cargo. The video was filmed near Seversk in the Donbass. It also shows attacks by Russian drones on other Ukrainian tracked platforms. The drone models are not reported.

 

[Woland]

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that in order to secure votes for the "Big Beautiful Bill" pro-Ukrainian Senators and Congressmen quietly demanded additional military aid for Ukraine behind the scenes. Apparently the Trump administration agreed and will start quietly sending weapons to Ukraine again, behind the scenes.

WSJ, citing multiple sources, is reporting that the White House has requested that the Pentagon prepare a new Patriot Battery for Ukraine from the U.S. existing inventory. The Americans are reportedly also working with European countries to facilitate the transfer of another European system as well.

2 additional Patriot Batteries would bring Ukraine to at least 10 in total... We know the following have been donated so far.

Germany : 3 Batteries
USA : 3 Batteries
Romania / Norway : 1 Battery
Israel : At least 1 Battery
USA : 1 Battery pending
European Union : 1 Battery pending

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/trump-says-putins-assurances-on-ukraine-meaningless-af8fc373

There are rumors that Fitzpatrick (one of the most pro-Ukrainian Republicans) voted no on the Big Beautiful Bill in part because of Ukraine aid, but there's a bit more to it than that. Fitzpatrick is in a very contested district and the Big Beautiful Bill is quite unpopular. Voting no on it will help him preserve his seat, and in the end his vote was not necessary for its passing. Nonetheless, his no vote was shocking, and he reportedly left Congress in a hurry after casting it, while Johnson and other representatives searched for him to convince him to change his vote. I don't know which other representatives demanded additional military aid to Ukraine in exchange for their votes, and the article doesn't actually mention anything about it.

Isn't the Israeli battery one of the three delivered US batteries? Israel sent it to the US to be refurbished and the US counted it as one of the three it delivered. I'm pretty sure the "Israeli" Patriot is the one here: https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.go...esident-joe-biden-on-u-s-support-for-ukraine/

 

[Soldier30]

Russian specialists from the Bars-Sarmat Center conducted a high-quality detailed technical inspection of the captured unmanned boat of the Ukrainian army. The Ukrainian sea drone is based on a Mexican-made jet ski. It was launched from the Odessa region and was moving towards Crimea. The second part of the video is an inspection of the satellite navigation system. The sea drone reportedly has a range of up to 400 km, at a speed of up to 90 kilometers per hour, and a warhead of 150 kilograms of explosives.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of the strike of a Russian Iskander-M ballistic missile on a Ukrainian hangar near the settlement of Baratovka in the Nikolaev region of Ukraine. The hangar was used by the 35th separate marine brigade of Ukraine. Judging by the video, an Iskander-M missile with an air burst and a shrapnel warhead was used. Note the colossal amount of fragments; all objects within the radius of the missile explosion are damaged.

 

[Soldier30]

Episode of the assault by Russian troops on the village of Bessalovka in the Sumy region of Ukraine. The village was stormed on July 7 by units of the 56th Guards Airborne Assault Don Cossack Regiment and the Novorossiysk Guards Airborne Assault Mountain Unit. The assault was carried out by small groups with the support of aviation, artillery and drones. The groups entered in the morning and occupied strongholds of the Ukrainian army on the outskirts of the village. After that, the Ukrainian army sent reinforcements. As a result of the battle, the Ukrainian units were forced to retreat. The video has been shortened, the dead have been removed.

 

[Relic]

Among the weapons that USA has started sending to Ukraine again are the following...

- GMLRS (HIMARS)
- 155mm Artillery Shells
- 105mm Artillery Shells

It's being reported (citing anonymous sources in the Government) that USA paused a shipment of air defense missiles for Ukraine last week. The shipment consisted of 30 Patriot Missiles, 150+ Hellfire Missiles, as well as others that were not named. It sounds like Trump is going to send this shipment, but there has been no clarification regarding g the specifics.

Trump administration resumes sending some weapons to Ukraine after Pentagon pause

The Trump administration has resumed sending some weapons to Ukraine, a week after the Pentagon had directed that some deliveries be paused.

apnews.com

 

[Relic]

Breaking news tonight. After failed negotiations with the Russians, Donald Trump has agreed to sell weapons to NATO, for furtherance to Ukraine. The United States will jot pay for the weapons, but will allow NATO to buy the weapons directly from the U.S. for shipment to Ukraine. The weapons will NOT be limited to defensive weapons.

Marco Rubio stated the Americans will be asking nations set to receive Patriot Batteries to allow them to be sent to Ukraine instead and wait for new systems to be built in order to back fill their orders.

NATO countries will use funding from the $50 Billion usd loan to Ukraine they announced earlier this year, as well as the $150 Billion usd fund they created for members + Ukraine to buy weapons.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/11/trump-ukraine-weapons-nato-allies-sell

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[Soldier30]

Russian kamikaze drones "Geran-2" struck the Ukrainian military registration and enlistment office in Odessa. There may have been strikes on other objects. Judging by the video of Odessa residents, the drones came from the sea to attack. Some drones were shot down with small arms, as they were flying at a low altitude. It is worth noting that there is no missile air defense in the video, perhaps it is on the outskirts of the city.

 

[sup_lol]

Russian kamikaze drones "Geran-2" struck the Ukrainian military registration and enlistment office in Odessa. There may have been strikes on other objects. Judging by the video of Odessa residents, the drones came from the sea to attack. Some drones were shot down with small arms, as they were flying at a low altitude. It is worth noting that there is no missile air defense in the video, perhaps it is on the outskirts of the city.

The Russians are targeting the TCC offices recently, probably as propoganda since the TCC is probably among the most hated organizations in ukraine right now( a lot of dragging people into cars and shipping them off to the frontline).

Are they any ukranians here? I really hope I can get their perspective on the TCC and this bombing

@Woland ?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Big problem with Ukraine is that the PAC-3 missiles they use that successfully intercept the Iskander and Kinzhal missiles are running out. US cant produce enough of them to meet the numbers needed. Russians are saturating the battlefield with these so called hypersonic missiles. They are hyoersonic in midcourse. But they slow down in terminal phase and are intercepted by the PAC-3s.
Another problem is that Ukraine need to fire minimum 2, more likely 3 PAC-3s to intercept a Kinzhal or Iskander.
Where as big majority of the Russian missiles were being intercepted before May this year, now that the PAC-3 quantities are less, the interception rate has fallen sharply.
Also, a PAC-3 is around 4 million dollars a piece. Yet it costs Russians 400 to 500 thousand dollars to produce an Iskander. When Russia fires 6 Iskander at Kiev at a cost of 3 million dollars, Ukraine has to respond with 12 to 18 PAC-3s at a cost of 48-72 million dollars. That is unsustainable.
US can’t produce enough PAC-3s. Their production is capped at 650 PAC-3 a year. Yet Russians can produce this amount of missiles in a quarter.

This is a very good live experiment we as Turkiye should be watching very carefully. Interceptors like siper block 3 should cost much less than the incoming target missiles.

Swamped? The Math of Ukraine’s Missile Crisis

There are ominous developments in Russia’s aerial bombardment of Ukraine but the West is failing to understand the dangers.

cepa.org

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Big problem with Ukraine is that the PAC-3 missiles they use that successfully intercept the Iskander and Kinzhal missiles are running out. US cant produce enough of them to meet the numbers needed. Russians are saturating the battlefield with these so called hypersonic missiles. They are hyoersonic in midcourse. But they slow down in terminal phase and are intercepted by the PAC-3s.
Another problem is that Ukraine need to fire minimum 2, more likely 3 PAC-3s to intercept a Kinzhal or Iskander.
Where as big majority of the Russian missiles were being intercepted before May this year, now that the PAC-3 quantities are less, the interception rate has fallen sharply.
Also, a PAC-3 is around 4 million dollars a piece. Yet it costs Russians 400 to 500 thousand dollars to produce an Iskander. When Russia fires 6 Iskander at Kiev at a cost of 3 million dollars, Ukraine has to respond with 12 to 18 PAC-3s at a cost of 48-72 million dollars. That is unsustainable.
US can’t produce enough PAC-3s. Their production is capped at 650 PAC-3 a year. Yet Russians can produce this amount of missiles in a quarter.

This is a very good live experiment we as Turkiye should be watching very carefully. Interceptors like siper block 3 should cost much less than the incoming target missiles.

Swamped? The Math of Ukraine’s Missile Crisis

There are ominous developments in Russia’s aerial bombardment of Ukraine but the West is failing to understand the dangers.

cepa.org

Looks like the saying "The best defense is a good offense" has a lot of truth in it.

 

[contricusc]

Also, a PAC-3 is around 4 million dollars a piece. Yet it costs Russians 400 to 500 thousand dollars to produce an Iskander. When Russia fires 6 Iskander at Kiev at a cost of 3 million dollars, Ukraine has to respond with 12 to 18 PAC-3s at a cost of 48-72 million dollars. That is unsustainable.

This is one of the biggest mistakes the West is making when helping Ukraine. The insistence on high cost tier 1 air defence missiles like the PAC-3, which cost a lot of money, is a strategic mistake. It wastes a lot of resources for very little effect.

The money spent on Patriot systems and missiles should have been spent on offensive missiles. Ukraine would have done so much more if the same money would have been spent on Tomahawks, Taurus, Storm Shadows, SCALPS and other missiles to strike deep inside Russia.

In order to win this war, Ukraine needs the weapons to strike the Russian MIC. They need long range strike capabilities and the intelligence to strike the right targets. Instead, they receive expensive anti air missiles to defend against the products of the Russian MIC.

The easiest way to defend against Iskanders and Kinjals is to destroy the factories that build them. Much cheaper and effective than shooting at them with PAC-3s.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

This is one of the biggest mistakes the West is making when helping Ukraine. The insistence on high cost tier 1 air defence missiles like the PAC-3, which cost a lot of money, is a strategic mistake. It wastes a lot of resources for very little effect.

The money spent on Patriot systems and missiles should have been spent on offensive missiles. Ukraine would have done so much more if the same money would have been spent on Tomahawks, Taurus, Storm Shadows, SCALPS and other missiles to strike deep inside Russia.

In order to win this war, Ukraine needs the weapons to strike the Russian MIC. They need long range strike capabilities and the intelligence to strike the right targets. Instead, they receive expensive anti air missiles to defend against the products of the Russian MIC.

The easiest way to defend against Iskanders and Kinjals is to destroy the factories that build them. Much cheaper and effective than shooting at them with PAC-3s.

If I would be an Ukrainian and see how the east of Ukraine looks like Palestine while Moscow goes on their daily live, i'd be pissed beyond imagination.

If the ukrainians want to see some positive change (from their PoV ofc) then they have to turn relevant russian cities into dust. That will wake up the avg. russian that wars ain't fun.

 

[Ryder]

This is one of the biggest mistakes the West is making when helping Ukraine. The insistence on high cost tier 1 air defence missiles like the PAC-3, which cost a lot of money, is a strategic mistake. It wastes a lot of resources for very little effect.

The money spent on Patriot systems and missiles should have been spent on offensive missiles. Ukraine would have done so much more if the same money would have been spent on Tomahawks, Taurus, Storm Shadows, SCALPS and other missiles to strike deep inside Russia.

In order to win this war, Ukraine needs the weapons to strike the Russian MIC. They need long range strike capabilities and the intelligence to strike the right targets. Instead, they receive expensive anti air missiles to defend against the products of the Russian MIC.

The easiest way to defend against Iskanders and Kinjals is to destroy the factories that build them. Much cheaper and effective than shooting at them with PAC-3s.

Congress wants to give Israel b2 bombers.

That just shows how much they lick zionist balls.

If Ukraine was given the same capabilities they would end the war.

 

[FiReFTW]

Lol so now Europe HAS to BUY weapons from the US and then send them to Ukraine, how much lower can Europe go? Its absolutely pathetic, no backbone at all.
Trump is completely dominating and asserting his will on Europe, and Europe looks as weak and spineless as ever ( as hard as that is to believe to be able to drop even lower).
Not to mention the huge tariff rates hes going to impose soon, and forcing NATO members to pay 5% on defense even tho the US spends 3.3%.
Can't Europe find better leaders? Its pathetic.