Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Passenger]

There's a report about an Ukrainian Armed Forces F-16 fighter jet was shooting down by the Russian S-300 air defence system.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010453100062978284

 

[Spitfire9]

Shit on the Ukraine people, as far as Russian economy suffer and your geopolitics benefits.

I don't completely understand what you wrote.

My family in 2 European countries were invaded by Nazi Germany in WW2 for the same reason that Putin invaded Ukraine. Hitler wanted to control their counties and impose a repressive regime on them just as Putin wants to control and impose a repressive regime on Ukraine.

Defending yourself when attacked by a brutal neighbouring state is not connected with geopolitical benefits. It is connected with wanting to remain free rather than have your freedom and identity removed by a foreign oppressor. In my case a Ukrainian relative by marriage (civilian) died when Kherson was invaded, one of the people you shit on. In WW2 I had a relative with a friend in the resistance. They were both taken by the Gestapo. My relative was forced to watch her friend being tortured to death to discourage her having further contact with any members of the resistance.

The Russian regime has no respect for people who are not Russian. The German Nazi regime had no respect for people who were not German (or Aryan). I have no respect for people who have no respect for others.

 

[Lool]

I don't think Ukraine needs to win on the battlefield. A controlled retreat while inflicting heavy losses on the advancing enemy is sufficient to me. The longer the war goes on, the more the civil sector of the Russian economy should deteriorate along with Russian state finances until it eventually becomes financially impractical for Russia to continue with the war.

This is the problem with pro-Ukrainian statements
A "controlled" retreat you say...... Does this controlled retreat include losing startegic cities like Pokrovsk, Myrnhorad, and Hulyapole while cities like lyman, konstantynovka and Kupyansk are in the grey zone?

That term is only applicable when the country in question possess the capability to continue the war for at least 5+ years without losing anything significant

Now, Russia has re-entered the Dnipro Oblast and they are progressing rapidly. Even if a ceasefire were to be signed today with the preservation of the current frontline, just as Zelensky demands, the demilitarised zone of around 10 km will literally prevent Ukraine from even touching the national wealth of nearly 50% of the country (Dnipro, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Sumy)

As for Russia, and as much as I hate to admit it, they still have tons of money to spend; even with the crippling sanctions imposed by the US. By this point, this war is just not sustainable for Ukraine at all. Sooner or later, the whole Ukrainian frontline will break and Russia will have lots of "fun" then

They have lots of money that they are posting about "disposables" and people think that the Russian economy will break before the Ukrainian one. Utterly ridiculous

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010607791510364480

 

[Spitfire9]

This is the problem with pro-Ukrainian statements
A "controlled" retreat you say...... Does this controlled retreat include losing startegic cities like Pokrovsk, Myrnhorad, and Hulyapole while cities like lyman, konstantynovka and Kupyansk are in the grey zone?

That term is only applicable when the country in question possess the capability to continue the war for at least 5+ years without losing anything significant

I don't follow the war on the ground closely because I don't think that 5km or 10km advances or retreats will make much difference to the outcome. Both sides have had time to build robust lines of defence, have they not? Ukraine can fall back to a strong defensive line if need be.

If anyone can provide me with data showing that Russia's capacity to persist with the war is changing I would be interested in seeing it. Apart from official figures showing a fall in inflation I have not seen any positive figures and along with many analysts I find those figures very questionable.

The NWF has been largely exhausted according to analysts to help finance the state budget deficit. Government revenues from hydrocarbons, company corporation taxes seem likely to fall substantially. Short of China financing Russia, the funds to cover state spending need to be raised internally. Yes, Russia can sell its gold reserves - if it can find buyers. Yes, Russia can keep suppliers waiting for payment for a time, after which suppliers may be driven ito bankruptcy and their suppliers, too.. Yes, Russia can keep state employees waiting for payment for a time, after which they may look for something additional to do to get some income or may resign and work for an employer that pays. Infrastructure contracts may be postponed, state services may be cut etc.

What exactly is the purpose of Russia ruining its economy and finances? It is certainly not to liberate Ukraine from being free. Is it because Putin cannot accept that the SMO went badly wrong and the glorious victory promised will not be coming? Is it that Russia must try to eradicate Ukraine and its culture? What is the point?