Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Passenger]

There's a report about an Ukrainian Armed Forces F-16 fighter jet was shooting down by the Russian S-300 air defence system.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010453100062978284

 

[Spitfire9]

Shit on the Ukraine people, as far as Russian economy suffer and your geopolitics benefits.

I don't completely understand what you wrote.

My family in 2 European countries were invaded by Nazi Germany in WW2 for the same reason that Putin invaded Ukraine. Hitler wanted to control their counties and impose a repressive regime on them just as Putin wants to control and impose a repressive regime on Ukraine.

Defending yourself when attacked by a brutal neighbouring state is not connected with geopolitical benefits. It is connected with wanting to remain free rather than have your freedom and identity removed by a foreign oppressor. In my case a Ukrainian relative by marriage (civilian) died when Kherson was invaded, one of the people you shit on. In WW2 I had a relative with a friend in the resistance. They were both taken by the Gestapo. My relative was forced to watch her friend being tortured to death to discourage her having further contact with any members of the resistance.

The Russian regime has no respect for people who are not Russian. The German Nazi regime had no respect for people who were not German (or Aryan). I have no respect for people who have no respect for others.

 

[Lool]

I don't think Ukraine needs to win on the battlefield. A controlled retreat while inflicting heavy losses on the advancing enemy is sufficient to me. The longer the war goes on, the more the civil sector of the Russian economy should deteriorate along with Russian state finances until it eventually becomes financially impractical for Russia to continue with the war.

This is the problem with pro-Ukrainian statements
A "controlled" retreat you say...... Does this controlled retreat include losing startegic cities like Pokrovsk, Myrnhorad, and Hulyapole while cities like lyman, konstantynovka and Kupyansk are in the grey zone?

That term is only applicable when the country in question possess the capability to continue the war for at least 5+ years without losing anything significant

Now, Russia has re-entered the Dnipro Oblast and they are progressing rapidly. Even if a ceasefire were to be signed today with the preservation of the current frontline, just as Zelensky demands, the demilitarised zone of around 10 km will literally prevent Ukraine from even touching the national wealth of nearly 50% of the country (Dnipro, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Kharkiv, Luhansk, and Sumy)

As for Russia, and as much as I hate to admit it, they still have tons of money to spend; even with the crippling sanctions imposed by the US. By this point, this war is just not sustainable for Ukraine at all. Sooner or later, the whole Ukrainian frontline will break and Russia will have lots of "fun" then

They have lots of money that they are posting about "disposables" and people think that the Russian economy will break before the Ukrainian one. Utterly ridiculous

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010607791510364480

 

[Spitfire9]

This is the problem with pro-Ukrainian statements
A "controlled" retreat you say...... Does this controlled retreat include losing startegic cities like Pokrovsk, Myrnhorad, and Hulyapole while cities like lyman, konstantynovka and Kupyansk are in the grey zone?

That term is only applicable when the country in question possess the capability to continue the war for at least 5+ years without losing anything significant

I don't follow the war on the ground closely because I don't think that 5km or 10km advances or retreats will make much difference to the outcome. Both sides have had time to build robust lines of defence, have they not? Ukraine can fall back to a strong defensive line if need be.

If anyone can provide me with data showing that Russia's capacity to persist with the war is changing I would be interested in seeing it. Apart from official figures showing a fall in inflation I have not seen any positive figures and along with many analysts I find those official inflation figures very questionable.

The NWF has been largely exhausted according to analysts to help finance the state budget deficit. Government revenues from hydrocarbons, company corporation taxes seem likely to fall substantially. Short of China financing Russia, the funds to cover state spending need to be raised internally. Yes, Russia can sell its gold reserves - if it can find buyers. Yes, Russia can keep suppliers waiting for payment for a time, after which suppliers may be driven ito bankruptcy and their suppliers, too.. Yes, Russia can keep state employees waiting for payment for a time, after which they may look for something additional to do to get some income or may resign and work for an employer that pays. Infrastructure contracts may be postponed, state services may be cut etc.

What exactly is the purpose of Russia ruining its economy and finances? It is certainly not to liberate Ukraine from being free. Is it because Putin cannot accept that the SMO went badly wrong and the glorious victory promised will not be coming? Is it that Russia must try to eradicate Ukraine and its culture? What is the point?

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of a Russian FAB-3000, possibly FAB-1500, bomb striking a multi-story building in the village of Kovsharovka in Ukraine's Kharkiv Oblast. Ukrainian units were defending the abandoned building. The attack was carried out by a Russian Su-34 frontline fighter-bomber. The FAB-3000 bomb partially destroyed the Ukrainian building.

 

[blackjack]

US took over the country and was dealing with an insurgency for 20 years before deciding that there was no point staying with no concrete goal.

The equivalent would be Russia taking over Ukraine and dealing with an insurgency not being stuck in grueling trench warfare for almost as long as the entire duration of World War I.

It's not that your responses are smart, it's that they are so dumb that they aren't worth responding to.

maciek is the reason stereotypical polish jokes still exist since he doesn't clarify what do years have to do with anything. 20 years they didn't subdue Afghanistan until they made a decision, France and the UK had a 100 year war. The way the war is going now is between will they have 4 regions or would they want more then 4 regions.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of the Russian Italmas heavy kamikaze drone in action in Ukraine. Drone attacks on Ukrainian P-18 and 36D6 radars are shown. Italmas drone strikes on Ukrainian bulk carriers, oil tankers, and oil storage facilities in Odesa, Chornomorsk, and elsewhere. Strikes on Ukrainian oil storage facilities. Technical information about the Izdeliye-54 drone, also known as the Italmas, is available in the video's link in the comments. Russian drones presumably began attacking tankers and port infrastructure in Ukraine after Ukrainian drones began attacking Russian tankers.

Technical information about the Izdeliye-54 drone, also known as the Italmas

 

[contricusc]

They have lots of money that they are posting about "disposables" and people think that the Russian economy will break before the Ukrainian one. Utterly ridiculous

Russia’s economy will break before Ukraine’s. There’s no “if” about it, the only question is “when”. Ukraine’s economy can go on forever, because it is backed by European money, and for Europe the price of keeping Ukraine afloat is nothing.

Russia on the other hand has gone bankrupt once, and it was not even at war back then. The good thing is that by delaying their economic collapse, it means they are using more and more dirty tricks to keep the country going, which in turn will make the collapse much stronger.

I think Russia already crossed the point of no return economically, and even if the war magically stopped and the sanctions were lifted, the damage done to their economy is so high that they would be collapsing anyway in the following years. But with the war ongoing, sanctions ramping up, more Ukrainian strikes on their infrastructure and more useless war spending, the collapse will only be accelerated and made more profound.

And then we’ll start to hear more Russian regions speak about independence.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of Ukrainian kamikaze drone strikes on Russian oil and gas production platforms in the Caspian Sea. The drones, of an unknown model, were directly controlled by operators. The drone strikes targeted three drilling platforms belonging to the Russian company Lukoil; this is not the first attack on them. The extent of the damage is unknown. The oil and gas production platforms attacked were the V. Filanovsky, Yuri Korchagin, and Valery Greifer platforms.