Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Deliorman]

UFOs are attacking Moscow these days it seems… damn NATO and their alien technologies.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of a Russian BM-35 Italmas kamikaze drone striking a Ukrainian drone control center located in a residential building. The video was filmed in the village of Annovka on the northeastern outskirts of Dobropillia. The drone operators were spotted during the timely return of the Ukrainian hexacopter. Judging by the force of the explosion, the building also housed a drone storage facility. As a result of the drone strike, the Ukrainian building was completely destroyed, as shown at the end of the video.

 

[Relic]

The Netherlands is financing the production of 700 cruise missile / drone hybrid munitions for Ukraine called "Ruta". They will be produced in the Netherlands and are ground-container launched, with speeds that reach upwards of 950kmph.

Ruta comes in block 1, 2 and 3 variants with ranges between 300 KM and 2000 KM depending on the variant.

Another mid / long range strike weapons for Ukraine.

Netherlands Will Fund Production of New Ruta Rockets for Ukraine

The Netherlands will fund the production of Ruta rockets for Ukraine on its own territory. In total, the aid package covers approximately 700 rockets.Ukrainian Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov announced the […]

militarnyi.com

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2067593271770038585

A First: Turkey Exports Fuel to Russia! Ukraine's intense unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) attacks on Russian refineries have caused supply shortages in the country's domestic market. According to information obtained by Haber Denizde, Russia has imported fuel from Turkey for the first time in its history. The first MR tanker, with a capacity of 30,000 dwt and loaded with gasoline, has set out for this purpose; it is currently in the Black Sea and heading toward the Novorossiysk Port.

 

[contricusc]

And before you accuse me of wanting to throw Ukraine under the bus (because I can already see it), I never said that, what I say is that a deal should be made even if it means sacrificing land and giving in to some Russian demands, there should be a clear plan and agreement that no further military action can be possible in the future, DONE... but the war should end, its no good for us, can't you understand that?

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

 

[Spitfire9]

Elvira, governor of the central bank, is back in action, on June 19 announcing the new 14.25% bank rate. An island of competence floating in a sea of incompetence! I think she is Russia's biggest asset in the struggle to manage and mitigate the effects of Putin spending massively on a massively stupid war.

 

[Spitfire9]

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

Withdraw from the Donbas? I imagine that most people in the area would rather not be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine were to take it over, wouldn't it become another Palestine with the people living in the 'occupied territory' in a permanent state of low level conflict with the 'occupier'?

 

[contricusc]

Withdraw from the Donbas? I imagine that most people in the area would rather not be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine were to take it over, wouldn't it become another Palestine with the people living in the 'occupied territory' in a permanent state of low level conflict with the 'occupier'?

And do you think Ukraine cares, after all that happened?

Ukraine wants the territory back. Those who were pro-Ukraine fled to the rest of Ukraine when Russia took over. If Ukraine can take back the land, the pro-Russian population will have to flee to Russia. It’s the same thing.

Once Ukraine feels it has the upoer hand in the war, they will not be willing to concede any territory. And they will have the backing of the European MIC who would lobby for the war to continue, so that they would keep receiving money for the weapons they produce.

Once the European bureaucracy moves into war mode, it would be almost impossible to stop it.

 

[FiReFTW]

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

People like you in high positions is EXACTLY the reason why Europe is going down the drain.

 

[Oublious]

 

[Spitfire9]

People like you in high positions is EXACTLY the reason why Europe is going down the drain.

A big bully grabs some of its smaller neighbour's land in 2014. Europe disapproves but does little to help. The big bully tries to grab the rest of its smaller neighbour's land in 2022. This time Europe decides to help. For the first time the big bully is confronted by Europe and, now, after 4 years is in deep trouble.

Yes, supporting Ukraine has cost Europe dearly but

1 it won't have a big bully on its doorstep, one that grabbed Ukraine
2 the now not so big bully won't feel confident it can grab further neighbours' at little cost to itself
3 defending Ukraine against Russian aggression is not a crippling expense to Europe
4 attacking Ukraine is a crippling expense to Russia

Unlike you, I don't see Europe going down the drain. Russia, yes - the data available show that is the direction in which Russia is going.

 

[OPTIMUS]

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

You're dreaming big.

The idea that Europe will militarily and in terms of intelligence break away from the Americans will never happen.

Maybe Europe has ramped up its defense capabilities, but who the heck is going to use all that hardware?? Europe's citizens? Definitely not. Check how willing Europeans are to die in a war. They would emigrate en masse...

Militarily, economically, and in intelligence, Europe is a vassal state of the USA.

If the USA wants, you can't even make a purchase, transfer money, or even fill up your tank.

What is Europe doing with its shady diplomacy?

I'll bring you back down to Planet Earth one last time.

Believe me, Europeans will be the first to put the Greeks, Bulgarians, and Cypriots on the sales list to save their own asses.

That's where the Turks come into play. Just wait.

 

[Spitfire9]

You're dreaming big.

The idea that Europe will militarily and in terms of intelligence break away from the Americans will never happen.

Maybe Europe has ramped up its defense capabilities, but who the heck is going to use all that hardware?? Europe's citizens? Definitely not. Check how willing Europeans are to die in a war. They would emigrate en masse...

Militarily, economically, and in intelligence, Europe is a vassal state of the USA.

If the USA wants, you can't even make a purchase, transfer money, or even fill up your tank.

What is Europe doing with its shady diplomacy?

I'll bring you back down to Planet Earth one last time.

Believe me, Europeans will be the first to put the Greeks, Bulgarians, and Cypriots on the sales list to save their own asses.

That's where the Turks come into play. Just wait.

I'm back down on planet Earth. Turkiye is going to conquer Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus?

What have you been smoking?

 

[OPTIMUS]

I'm back down on planet Earth. Turkiye is going to conquer Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus.

What have you been smoking?

I'm back down on planet Earth. Turkiye is going to conquer Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus?

What have you been smoking?

First, my post was addressed to Contricusc@.

Secondly, it’s nice that you are Earth. I can see that in your post too. I read your posts very carefully.

Third, nowhere in my post does it say that the Turks want to conquer Cyprus, Bulgaria, and Greece. That’s your thought. That’s not how things work. One should only know which European countries will have claims on the territories of these three states. Believe me, they are not few.

 

[Spitfire9]

Third, nowhere in my post does it say that the Turks want to conquer Cyprus, Bulgaria, and Greece. That’s your thought.

Quite true.

You did somewhat suggest that at some point 'the Turks' would 'sort out' (my words) those countries, though.