Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Perun]

High numbers but when those weapons would arive in Ukraine (Patriot for example)

 

[FiReFTW]

The war on Ukraine is going badly for Russia. The cost is rising with little to show for it. Russian financial reserves have been depleted. The government has been 'running at a loss'. That loss has become far more serious this year. The outlook is for the Russian government's financial position to continue to deteriorate, and for that deterioration to accelerate - oil revenues should fall sharply with a ceasefire in the Gulf, corporation tax receipts at 25% rate were lower in 2025 than in 2024 when the rate was 20%, contraction in the civil economy may reduce receipts from income tax and VAT.

Putin appears to be fixated on / obsessed with prevailing in his war yet the signs are that he will not prevail. With the current level of Russian military 'success' in the war. it could last indefinitely, militarily speaking. Yet the Russian government does not have the financial resources to fight a war that lasts indefinitely.

What to do? Abandoning the war is unacceptable to Putin. Continuing as is may bring about financial chaos. How about intensifying the war, gambling everything on making some progress militarily then suing for peace? I will not be surprised if Putin takes that route. How to finance it? Print money. Providing that does not quickly lead to hyperinflation, it buys Putin some time to improve his end of war / armistice negotiating position.

And its going great for Europe right? Spending a ton of money while prices and inflation going up, housing going up, young people can't even buy apartments to live and the population is declining.

And instead of focusing on solving that, Europe keeps sending billions and billions away, genius.

 

[Spitfire9]

And its going great for Europe right? Spending a ton of money while prices and inflation going up, housing going up, young people can't even buy apartments to live and the population is declining.

And instead of focusing on solving that, Europe keeps sending billions and billions away, genius.

Most Europeans like freedom and democracy. Prices are going up but not as fast as in totalitarian Russia. In my country there is an acute shortage of housing in many areas.

What is there to solve? Get 2.8% UK inflation down to 0%? I suggest you look at economies with 0% inflation. Not desirable.

In my country the population is increasing through immigration. Housing crisis? I would say so. You are not allowed to build houses on most of the land in the UK. That is one reason for high housing costs. Another reason is that the UK is a rich country. Some people own 2 houses - one to live in, another to visit when wanted. Also divorce rate is high. The two people living in one residence then often want to occupy two residences after divorce.

PS I am not a genius and I would definitely not accuse you of being one!

 

[FiReFTW]

Most Europeans like freedom and democracy. Prices are going up but not as fast as in totalitarian Russia. In my country there is an acute shortage of housing in many areas.

What is there to solve? Get 2.8% UK inflation down to 0%? I suggest you look at economies with 0% inflation. Not desirable.

In my country the population is increasing through immigration. Housing crisis? I would say so. You are not allowed to build houses on most of the land in the UK. That is one reason for high housing costs. Another reason is that the UK is a rich country. Some people own 2 houses - one to live in, another to visit when wanted. Also divorce rate is high. The two people living in one residence then often want to occupy two residences after divorce.

PS I am not a genius and I would definitely not accuse you of being one!

Why do you people who argument these things always say "Yes its getting worse but its not as bad as in Russia"?

I am seriously curious and wondering about this logic of yours, because it makes no sense to me.

I don't give a crap about how things are in Russia..... or in China..... or in USA..... or in South Africa.... that has NOTHING to do with me? I only care how things are in the places I live in, thats my priority and my only care.

And the fact is we (and in we I mean Europe) have alot of issues and problems and things are getting worse instead of better.

The economy is stagnant, prices going up, housing going up.. those are all facts... add to that the energy crisis and problems we have, the non competitiveness and the list goes on... Europe should focus on solving those things and improving those things not sending billions and billions away to Ukraine (non member of EU).

And before you accuse me of wanting to throw Ukraine under the bus (because I can already see it), I never said that, what I say is that a deal should be made even if it means sacrificing land and giving in to some Russian demands, there should be a clear plan and agreement that no further military action can be possible in the future, DONE... but the war should end, its no good for us, can't you understand that?

 

[Deliorman]

UFOs are attacking Moscow these days it seems… damn NATO and their alien technologies.

 

[Soldier30]

Footage of a Russian BM-35 Italmas kamikaze drone striking a Ukrainian drone control center located in a residential building. The video was filmed in the village of Annovka on the northeastern outskirts of Dobropillia. The drone operators were spotted during the timely return of the Ukrainian hexacopter. Judging by the force of the explosion, the building also housed a drone storage facility. As a result of the drone strike, the Ukrainian building was completely destroyed, as shown at the end of the video.

 

[Relic]

The Netherlands is financing the production of 700 cruise missile / drone hybrid munitions for Ukraine called "Ruta". They will be produced in the Netherlands and are ground-container launched, with speeds that reach upwards of 950kmph.

Ruta comes in block 1, 2 and 3 variants with ranges between 300 KM and 2000 KM depending on the variant.

Another mid / long range strike weapons for Ukraine.

Netherlands Will Fund Production of New Ruta Rockets for Ukraine

The Netherlands will fund the production of Ruta rockets for Ukraine on its own territory. In total, the aid package covers approximately 700 rockets.

militarnyi.com

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2067593271770038585

A First: Turkey Exports Fuel to Russia! Ukraine's intense unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) attacks on Russian refineries have caused supply shortages in the country's domestic market. According to information obtained by Haber Denizde, Russia has imported fuel from Turkey for the first time in its history. The first MR tanker, with a capacity of 30,000 dwt and loaded with gasoline, has set out for this purpose; it is currently in the Black Sea and heading toward the Novorossiysk Port.

 

[contricusc]

And before you accuse me of wanting to throw Ukraine under the bus (because I can already see it), I never said that, what I say is that a deal should be made even if it means sacrificing land and giving in to some Russian demands, there should be a clear plan and agreement that no further military action can be possible in the future, DONE... but the war should end, its no good for us, can't you understand that?

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

 

[Spitfire9]

Elvira, governor of the central bank, is back in action, on June 19 announcing the new 14.25% bank rate. An island of competence floating in a sea of incompetence! I think she is Russia's biggest asset in the struggle to manage and mitigate the effects of Putin spending massively on a massively stupid war.

 

[Spitfire9]

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

Withdraw from the Donbas? I imagine that most people in the area would rather not be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine were to take it over, wouldn't it become another Palestine with the people living in the 'occupied territory' in a permanent state of low level conflict with the 'occupier'?

 

[contricusc]

Withdraw from the Donbas? I imagine that most people in the area would rather not be part of Ukraine. If Ukraine were to take it over, wouldn't it become another Palestine with the people living in the 'occupied territory' in a permanent state of low level conflict with the 'occupier'?

And do you think Ukraine cares, after all that happened?

Ukraine wants the territory back. Those who were pro-Ukraine fled to the rest of Ukraine when Russia took over. If Ukraine can take back the land, the pro-Russian population will have to flee to Russia. It’s the same thing.

Once Ukraine feels it has the upoer hand in the war, they will not be willing to concede any territory. And they will have the backing of the European MIC who would lobby for the war to continue, so that they would keep receiving money for the weapons they produce.

Once the European bureaucracy moves into war mode, it would be almost impossible to stop it.

 

[FiReFTW]

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

People like you in high positions is EXACTLY the reason why Europe is going down the drain.

 

[Oublious]

 

[Spitfire9]

People like you in high positions is EXACTLY the reason why Europe is going down the drain.

A big bully grabs some of its smaller neighbour's land in 2014. Europe disapproves but does little to help. The big bully tries to grab the rest of its smaller neighbour's land in 2022. This time Europe decides to help. For the first time the big bully is confronted by Europe and, now, after 4 years is in deep trouble.

Yes, supporting Ukraine has cost Europe dearly but

1 it won't have a big bully on its doorstep, one that grabbed Ukraine
2 the now not so big bully won't feel confident it can grab further neighbours' at little cost to itself
3 defending Ukraine against Russian aggression is not a crippling expense to Europe
4 attacking Ukraine is a crippling expense to Russia

Unlike you, I don't see Europe going down the drain. Russia, yes - the data available show that is the direction in which Russia is going.

 

[OPTIMUS]

No deal should be made that sacrifices land. Russia is losing the war, and for Europe it costs almost nothing to keep going. It can actually be seen as beneficial, because it is used as a testing ground for European made weapons. The European MIC needs to be ramped up, so that Europe can decouple from US dependency on weapons, and the war in Ukraine serves as the perfect excuse for more military soending, while offering a unique opportunity for European companies to test their new hardware in direct combat.

There is no reason for Europe to stop now, and the good news is that it won’t. Now that Europe managed to support Ukraine even without US help, and the battle is turning in Ukraine’s favor, it would be a grave mistake to stop.

European arms industry is ramping up production of everything, and the war in Ukraine provides the market for those products. If the products are immediately donated to Ukraine and used, it creates a continuous demand that helps the companies extend production with firm purchase commitments. This is a re-industrialization chance for Europe that should not be missed.

Once Europe launches more surveilance and communications satellites to replace the intelligence dependence on the US, it would become self sufficient in supporting Ukraine and ensure that Russia loses the war regardless of what the White House wants. We are not far from that moment.

As much as Russia supporters hope that the war will suddenly stop when Russia starts burning, it won’t be that way. The war will end only when Russia withdraws from all the occupied territories, and that will take a lot of time, and a pre requisite for that is the complete collapse of the Russian economy and regime. A few more years of war are almost a certainty at this point.

You're dreaming big.

The idea that Europe will militarily and in terms of intelligence break away from the Americans will never happen.

Maybe Europe has ramped up its defense capabilities, but who the heck is going to use all that hardware?? Europe's citizens? Definitely not. Check how willing Europeans are to die in a war. They would emigrate en masse...

Militarily, economically, and in intelligence, Europe is a vassal state of the USA.

If the USA wants, you can't even make a purchase, transfer money, or even fill up your tank.

What is Europe doing with its shady diplomacy?

I'll bring you back down to Planet Earth one last time.

Believe me, Europeans will be the first to put the Greeks, Bulgarians, and Cypriots on the sales list to save their own asses.

That's where the Turks come into play. Just wait.

 

[Spitfire9]

You're dreaming big.

The idea that Europe will militarily and in terms of intelligence break away from the Americans will never happen.

Maybe Europe has ramped up its defense capabilities, but who the heck is going to use all that hardware?? Europe's citizens? Definitely not. Check how willing Europeans are to die in a war. They would emigrate en masse...

Militarily, economically, and in intelligence, Europe is a vassal state of the USA.

If the USA wants, you can't even make a purchase, transfer money, or even fill up your tank.

What is Europe doing with its shady diplomacy?

I'll bring you back down to Planet Earth one last time.

Believe me, Europeans will be the first to put the Greeks, Bulgarians, and Cypriots on the sales list to save their own asses.

That's where the Turks come into play. Just wait.

I'm back down on planet Earth. Turkiye is going to conquer Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus?

What have you been smoking?

 

[OPTIMUS]

I'm back down on planet Earth. Turkiye is going to conquer Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus.

What have you been smoking?

I'm back down on planet Earth. Turkiye is going to conquer Greece, Bulgaria and Cyprus?

What have you been smoking?

First, my post was addressed to Contricusc@.

Secondly, it’s nice that you are Earth. I can see that in your post too. I read your posts very carefully.

Third, nowhere in my post does it say that the Turks want to conquer Cyprus, Bulgaria, and Greece. That’s your thought. That’s not how things work. One should only know which European countries will have claims on the territories of these three states. Believe me, they are not few.

 

[Spitfire9]

Third, nowhere in my post does it say that the Turks want to conquer Cyprus, Bulgaria, and Greece. That’s your thought.

Quite true.

You did somewhat suggest that at some point 'the Turks' would 'sort out' (my words) those countries, though.

 

[OPTIMUS]

Quite true.

You did somewhat suggest that at some point 'the Turks' would 'sort out' (my words) those countries, though.

Spitfire9@,

I have no idea how you understand things when you read what's written.

I just wrote, "here's where the Turks come into play."

The problem is, the Turks don't want to play there. They want to "take care of things," as you nicely put it, thousands of kilometers away. For that, the Turks first need Egypt, then Somalia. Somalia is more important, indeed, for the Turks.

The Turks want to be brought into play through a country where the Greeks keep their fears alive. And a certain state exploits that. And this certain state wants to mess with the Turks in Somalia and Sudan, and for that, it uses the UAE.

The Turks are very concerned that Zelensky will order the sinking of a ship operating under the Turkish flag by the "Ukrainian Army." In that case, Article 5 would have to be applied, which would make things very complex. Will Zelensky give this order to the Ukrainian Army? Yes, he will. Whether the Ukrainian Army will carry out the order...? We're not sure about that.

If the Turks had a major objective in the Mediterranean basin, they would have long since raised objections regarding French troops in Cyprus. As for that particular state—it is considered a Christian-Catholic affair. The Turks see no issue there. We will see more Christian-Catholic troops in Cyprus in the coming years.

All the ships being built for the Turkish Navy and for a few states in the region tell us that there is already a clear understanding of what the Turks intend to do. Only one state is acting as a disruptive force. That matter is being dealt with, too.

The question one has to ask oneself is:

Why are air defense systems being deployed to Turkey?
And they are there to stay, as this constitutes a permanent operational measure—specifically involving NATO states. There are currently four systems: two Italian, one Spanish, and one German (I am leaving the American systems out of the equation for now).

Why is the Turkish Navy suddenly operating with large naval formations in deep-water environments? Many forum members have wondered what business the Turks have participating in NATO exercises in Nordic and Baltic waters with such a large number of ships. As far as I know, the Turkish vessels were the only ones able to maintain full operational capability in very adverse weather conditions, whereas all other NATO ships operated under limitations.

The question to ask is "What is going on?"—not "What business do the Turks have there?"