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DEMİR: "We are starting the mass production of ULAQ SİDA"

"ULAQ SİDA’nin seri üretimini başlatıyoruz”

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR ULAQ Silahlı İnsansız Deniz Aracı (SİDA)’nın seri üretim faaliyetlerine başlanıldığını açıkladı.

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That was fast.

 

[Foulgrim]

DEMİR: "We are starting the mass production of ULAQ SİDA"

"ULAQ SİDA’nin seri üretimini başlatıyoruz”

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR ULAQ Silahlı İnsansız Deniz Aracı (SİDA)’nın seri üretim faaliyetlerine başlanıldığını açıkladı.

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When the President of SSB says that the mass production of AUSV ULAQ has started, for which version is it mentioned? If I remember correctly it is going to be produced in different versions. Also the AUSV ULAQ was supposed to have other test shots with other missiles until it received the necessary certification and therefore approval for mass production. In the Sea Wolf 2021 exercise, ULAQ fired a Cirit missile, but not a missile from the UMTAS family. Without throwing with all the available missiles what certification can it get to start its mass production? This decision seems to me to be a very hasty move.

 

[Spook]

Probably initial low production. They want to field the first variant soon as possible so they can get feedback and keep improving it. Navy will get used to the platform, gain knowledge on ways to operate them effectively.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

When the President of SSB says that the mass production of AUSV ULAQ has started, for which version is it mentioned? If I remember correctly it is going to be produced in different versions. Also the AUSV ULAQ was supposed to have other test shots with other missiles until it received the necessary certification and therefore approval for mass production. In the Sea Wolf 2021 exercise, ULAQ fired a Cirit missile, but not a missile from the UMTAS family. Without throwing with all the available missiles what certification can it get to start its mass production? This decision seems to me to be a very hasty move.

The words of Ismail DEMIR about ULAQ:

"We are starting the serial production of ULAQ. Just as we have seen our UAVs in the field of operation more than once, you will see many models of USVs (Unmanned Sea Vehicles). These are coming slowly, there is very important work on the subfloor right now. We are starting mass production of ULAQ SİDA, others are coming"

 

[Foulgrim]

Probably initial low production. They want to field the first variant soon as possible so they can get feedback and keep improving it. Navy will get used to the platform, gain knowledge on ways to operate them effectively.

Usually weapon systems receive mass production approval when they receive the relevant certifications after a long period of testing and firing. Weapon upgrade kits are a common practice for sure but with some tens to hundreds of hours of testing and dozens of shots. With one shot of the Cirit missile and two test voyages they came to such quick conclusions? It seems to me a very easy conclusion to be realistic. Weapons systems need maturation time like an old red wine. Rushing out a weapon system in mass production seems to me at least superficial. Unless the Turkish defense industry makes 10 pieces in the form of prototypes of different versions to be tested in real conditions. But this is a completely different thing from "mass production".

 

[Foulgrim]

The words of Ismail DEMIR about ULAQ:

"We are starting the serial production of ULAQ. Just as we have seen our UAVs in the field of operation more than once, you will see many models of USVs (Unmanned Sea Vehicles). These are coming slowly, there is very important work on the subfloor right now. We are starting mass production of ULAQ SİDA, others are coming"

Without having tested the L-UMTAS missile from AUSV ULAQ? I am personally very impressed by this thing. Unless they fired the missile but in secret without disclosure. Turkey usually makes public its successes in defense technology.

 

[Spook]

Usually weapon systems receive mass production approval when they receive the relevant certifications after a long period of testing and firing. Weapon upgrade kits are a common practice for sure but with some tens to hundreds of hours of testing and dozens of shots. With one shot of the Cirit missile and two test voyages they came to such quick conclusions? It seems to me a very easy conclusion to be realistic. Weapons systems need maturation time like an old red wine. Rushing out a weapon system in mass production seems to me at least superficial. Unless the Turkish defense industry makes 10 pieces in the form of prototypes of different versions to be tested in real conditions. But this is a completely different thing from "mass production".

ULAQ is designed to be an cost-effective modular platform. It is affordable that it can be procured in large quantities and have prototypes. It will constantly go through improvements with feedback. Current revealed variant will likely look different later with improvements. Also a modern unmanned platform like this software capabilities is as important as hardware if not more. Even it is not ready yet, having an unarmed ULAQ navigate itself in a area with heavy marine traffic or armed variant being used in Naval exercises, Coast guard is very important for the constant development of the platform/systems.

That being said, companies like Aselsan, Roketsan are very experienced in designing, integrating remote controlled stabilized weapon systems for naval platforms. I think the most place for improvement will be software and electronic subsystems. ULAQ is going to be most effective if it can be integrated with other platforms.

 

[Anmdt]

Without having tested the L-UMTAS missile from AUSV ULAQ? I am personally very impressed by this thing. Unless they fired the missile but in secret without disclosure. Turkey usually makes public its successes in defense technology.

Usually weapon systems receive mass production approval when they receive the relevant certifications after a long period of testing and firing. Weapon upgrade kits are a common practice for sure but with some tens to hundreds of hours of testing and dozens of shots. With one shot of the Cirit missile and two test voyages they came to such quick conclusions? It seems to me a very easy conclusion to be realistic. Weapons systems need maturation time like an old red wine. Rushing out a weapon system in mass production seems to me at least superficial. Unless the Turkish defense industry makes 10 pieces in the form of prototypes of different versions to be tested in real conditions. But this is a completely different thing from "mass production".

The platform has been constantly on tests since it was launched, there has been several tests in the factory, some at the harbor (actually plenty) and it has done more than just 2 cruises even if i i can count correctly at least 3 or 4 cruises were released to media. It did some long cruises, fired cirit with and without warhead and i think eventually fired Umtas or going to fire it soon without/then with a live warhead as well.

They are moving forward with the base configuration as shore-protection platform, and companion for frigates/corvettes/OPVs. It will be the first one to be serially produced and commissioned to share load of FIBs initially.

In my opinion it will be followed with shore-based ISR variant too in addition to ASW variant which is disclosed officially. We can expect ship launched ISR-ASW variants after those.

Lastly, the unmanned part of the systems has been going through some tests even before the platform has emerged.

Is it matured? I think sufficiently, nothing is matured enough until it is being tested by some crazy military guy. So they have initially decided to move onto serial production with the sufficiently proven platform.

 

[Combat-Master]

Usually weapon systems receive mass production approval when they receive the relevant certifications after a long period of testing and firing. Weapon upgrade kits are a common practice for sure but with some tens to hundreds of hours of testing and dozens of shots. With one shot of the Cirit missile and two test voyages they came to such quick conclusions? It seems to me a very easy conclusion to be realistic. Weapons systems need maturation time like an old red wine. Rushing out a weapon system in mass production seems to me at least superficial. Unless the Turkish defense industry makes 10 pieces in the form of prototypes of different versions to be tested in real conditions. But this is a completely different thing from "mass production".

We aren't being informed of majority of the tests.

Here ULAQ SIDA has fired a salvo of Cirit Missiles; We previously did not know that Cirit could be fired in such quick succession and especially from a naval platform - this was not publicised at all by our Media or Defence Industry. What we got from them was, "ULAQ fired a Cirit Missile".

there's also footage of it firing a single Cirit Missile without a warhead.

 

[Test7]

Without having tested the L-UMTAS missile from AUSV ULAQ? I am personally very impressed by this thing. Unless they fired the missile but in secret without disclosure. Turkey usually makes public its successes in defense technology.

UMTAS is a missile that has already been tested in the marine environment. I don't think the ULAQ test'll take much time. They may have completed tests that were not shared with the press. Or the first mass produced ULAQs will only have surveillance capability. Weapon systems'll be integrated later

 

[Anmdt]

UMTAS is a missile that has already been tested in the marine environment. I don't think the ULAQ test'll take much time. They may have completed tests that were not shared with the press. Or the first mass produced ULAQs will only have surveillance capability. Weapon systems'll be integrated later

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Totally forgot about this one which the same combo (EO+launcher+missile) was tested on B-Class.
Umtas and cirit was also tested on one of the MRTP boats before than B-Class.

 

[TheInsider]

Ulaq AUSV sea patrol variant (armed with cirit&umtas) is entering serial production. All the design and development tests are done. It is used in an official big navy exercise IMHO biggest and final test ever done and the system is working as intended. From this point on serial production effort and product improvement studies and tests will be done. Ares shipyard has a production capacity of 50 boats per year but I think the initial procurement order will be very conservative. Ares shipyard also working with a Turkish company to nationalize the powerpack of the Ulaq boat even though it is not a critical subsystem.

Planned versions of Ulaq

ARES SHIPYARD - Vessels

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[Combat-Master]

 

[Anmdt]

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They should really offer a variant with 7-8 meters to make all the ships in inventory ready to adopt an ULAQ.

 

[Spook]

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Hava Yastıklı Çıkarma Aracı Project (LCAC), ZAHA, ULAQ.

A ship like this has many uses from civilian to military. Deck can be modified. It doesn't have this big, civilian medium-heavy lift ships can be used for mass deployment roles. If ULAQ's network capabilities get better. Something like this concept can be used. Other than that even being able to launch few ULAQs from cargo ships will give us element of suprise advantage.

 

[Test7]

From the CIRIT Test

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1408768449581625345

 

[Turko]

@Anmdt Dear again me , again i have a question

I was wondering what was the seaworthiness of ULAQ type unmanned vessels. In which sea states ULAQ can serve?


And i also would like to know in which sea states can our warships resist?

are there difference between warship categories? For instance" Frigates can resist 8 sea states, corvettes work under 7 sea states. Tuzla class patrol boats aren't sekeeping so they are sent missions if sea state is max 6." İs it correct statement?

 

[Anmdt]

I was wondering what was the seaworthiness of ULAQ type unmanned vessels. In which sea states ULAQ can serve?

They don't have any human onboard, so technically as long as they are not capsized they will remain operational, one of the major factor is human for the sea worthiness. But i don't think it will be disclosed up to which sea state the weapons will remain operational.

For frigates and corvettes, it depends but our Navy starts with minimum 5 for weapons to remain operational, above that it becomes partially operational and survivability is for 7-8 depending on the size.

Tuzla class has a good design which allows it to hang on at higher sea state compared to its rivals around the world. It is really remarkable but those sea states are rarely needed because it mostly operates in littoral waters.

 

[mulj]

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I just wanted to ask possible integration of such vehicle withother maritime platforms, i like this concept it adds additional tactical abilities to the fleets.