US Resolution condemning Turkey’s aggression towards Cyprus

[Akritas]

Resolution condemning Turkey’s aggression towards Cyprus garners bipartisan US support​

A resolution condemning Turkey’s aggression towards Cyprus garnered bipartisan support on Friday at the US House foreign affairs committee.
Greek Public Broadcasting (ERT)’s DC correspondent Lena Argiri tweeted that the committee passed congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis’ resolution titled “Condemning Turkey for its repeated aggression towards Cyprus”.

In her resolution, Malliotakis, who is the daughter of a Greek immigrant, condemns Turkey for its continued military presence on the island, calling on the country to withdraw its troops, reverse its unilateral actions in Varosha and stop interfering with Cyprus’ EEZ.


“Turkey has been illegally occupying Cyprus for nearly 50 years, violating the Treaty of Guarantee which established and guaranteed Cyprus’ independence” she states.

“With Turkey only becoming more aggressive towards Cyprus and our allies in the Eastern Mediterranean, it`s critically important for the United States to stand with our allies in support of freedom and democracy”.

Some representatives sided with the resolution while others, like Republican Steve Chabot speaking against it, saying that there is no proof that the US will benefit from supporting one side and condemning another through “a unilateral resolution that focuses selectively and out of the historical context on actions allegedly committed by Turkey”.

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A resolution condemning Turkey’s aggression towards Cyprus garnered bipartisan support on Friday at the US House foreign affairs committee. Greek Public Broadcasting (ERT)’s DC correspondent Lena Argiri tweeted that the committee passed congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis’ resolution titled...

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[Cypro]

What will you do if Turkey pulls the troops? I can't believe how naive Greeks are, do you think it is cold war times and you will drive your tanks to North. You can only drive your cars to get cheap gasoline from North and do shopping with devalued lira. It does not change anything. Today US - Turkey relations are bad, easy to get attention to these type of resolutions but Greeks always forget, US & UK always benefitted from divided island. UN condems, EU condems, if US condems too, it does not make any difference, in reality they all come to realpolitik. Like Steve Chabot said, US has no benefit from this.

 

[Lool]

Like Steve Chabot said, US has no benefit from this.

Ofcourse they wont benefit from it
With the island, and their supporters divided, they can just sell more weapons to both parties and ensure that both are pre-occupied with one another so that none can grow and evolve

Have you read latest US offer for modernisation of greek vessels? That is completely a rip off. This is why, for the West, Turkey is a pain in the ass rn
You guys dont know how much nations like France, USA, Italy, Spain, and Germany have benefited from just weapons sales of the two nations 10 to 15 years ago

 

[Akritas]

What will you do if Turkey pulls the troops? I can't believe how naive Greeks are, do you think it is cold war times and you will drive your tanks to North. You can only drive your cars to get cheap gasoline from North and do shopping with devalued lira. It does not change anything. Today US - Turkey relations are bad, easy to get attention to these type of resolutions but Greeks always forget, US & UK always benefitted from divided island. UN condems, EU condems, if US condems too, it does not make any difference, in reality they all come to realpolitik. Like Steve Chabot said, US has no benefit from this.

Let me get it strait: the recent electoral defeat and retirement of the moderate Turkish-Cypriot Mustafa Akinci, and his replacement by the far nationalist Ersin Tatar, who operates as an extension of the authoritarian Turkish government in Cyprus and insists on a two-state solution, any well-intentioned effort to reach an agreement is an uphill effort.
As you said, the only thing that you collected are convictions from countries and international organizations such as e.g. the UN.
The only that benefited from the divided island is UK and Turkey. The rest of the world wants a democratic, functional, federal Republic of Cyprus, free of foreign interventions.

 

[Lool]

The only that benefited from the divided island is UK and Turkey. The rest of the world wants a democratic, functional, federal Republic of Cyprus, free of foreign interventions.

Sure........... I truly have no sort of issue or grudge against you but......
Man, idk if you seriously believe what you are saying or you are just stating such stupidity to try and legalise both Greece's position as well as prove that you are right? If the former, then kudos to the brainwash you greeks undertook, and if the latter, then try in another forum and not in one filled with Turks for gods sake

And is it just me or didnt the Cyprus problem begin with the GREEK Cypriot administration initiating a coup as well as an ethinicity cleanup (BACKED BY MAINLAND GREECE); in order to join with the main Greek nation and encage mainland Turkey for satisfying Western safety as well as getting over your last loss againt the Turks?

 

[Cypro]

Let me get it strait: the recent electoral defeat and retirement of the moderate Turkish-Cypriot Mustafa Akinci, and his replacement by the far nationalist Ersin Tatar, who operates as an extension of the authoritarian Turkish government in Cyprus and insists on a two-state solution, any well-intentioned effort to reach an agreement is an uphill effort.
As you said, the only thing that you collected are convictions from countries and international organizations such as e.g. the UN.
The only that benefited from the divided island is UK and Turkey. The rest of the world wants a democratic, functional, federal Republic of Cyprus, free of foreign interventions.

Your leadership is very pleased that Tatar won elections, Greek Cypriot politicians are also using / benefiting from divided island / suffering rhetoric, majority are right wing in the South and they don't like leftist, pacifist / peace chasing leaders in the North. Don't tell me Anastasiades is a peaceful / non-corrupted guy that supporting peace. Whenever an election approaches, intentionally Greeks increase tensions, create some events that would trigger nationalism in the North so the right wing wins in the North and Greeks blame Turks for being warmonger, invader not trying to solve the issue. Greek Cyprus also does not want two state federal solution, either unitarian republic dominated by themselves or status quo! Who give a fuck what rest of the world wants...! There are 5 parties that matters.. and unless all satisfied, no one can solve this issue and nothing will change, so you are free to condemn.

 

[Xenon54]

The rest of the world wants a democratic, functional, federal Republic of Cyprus, free of foreign interventions.

Yeap, just like pre 1974 Cyprus right?

 

[Akritas]

And is it just me or didnt the Cyprus problem begin with the GREEK Cypriot administration initiating a coup as well as an ethinicity cleanup (BACKED BY MAINLAND GREECE); in order to join with the main Greek nation and encage mainland Turkey for satisfying Western safety as well as getting over your last loss againt the Turks?

Nope, Cyprus issue started 20 years before the 1974, Menderes is one that ignited the Cyprus conflict, like in 1956 when Nithat Erim(Turkish Cypriot) submitted a report to him and since that day the strategy never wavered.
The Erim report clearly states that the only solution for Cyprus consists of partition under Turkish control and mentions population exchange and settlement by mainland Turks.
In 1957 Dr. Kutsiuk (the leader of Turkish Cypriots), proposed to Menderes the division of the island. That proposal is the exact Turkish line of today or 1974 invasion( with the exception of the enclosed Famagusta).
So, the leaders of the Tukish Cypriots wanted the division of the Cyprus.

 

[Rodeo]

..., who operates as an extension of the authoritarian Turkish government in Cyprus and insists on a two-state solution, any well-intentioned effort to reach an agreement is an uphill effort.

You had the chance of reunion in 2004 and you blew it. Today the Greek side of Cyprus is a EU member. They have no incentive of reunion today. Therefore, the sooner we realize there's no hope for a united Cyprus the sooner we can move on and have realistic solutions.

 

[RogerRanger]

Looking at the level of competition in the Eastern Mediterranean at the moment and the South China sea, these appear to be the two major conflict zones moving forward. With the Americans/French/Russians/Italians all getting involved as well. Its going to get spicy.

Turkey is by far the strongest power, then Israel, the Greece. So its going to be interesting.

US will support whoever is balancing Turkish power and trying to protect Israel. France/Italy will support Greece against Turkey and Israel, the Russians will do their thing and support both sides. You also have lesser players like Egypt. Cyprus seems to be the key battle space at the moment and there isn't dominant power to sweep the rest aside. Though Turkey is strong it is engaging and multiple fronts in the South Caucuses, Syria, the Balkans. So this is where Greece has the advantage, it can put its full power into the Aegean and from their onto Cyprus. Turkey is a strong regional power, but not yet strong enough to fight on three fronts at once.

I want the British to totally pull out of the Mediterranean, Indian Ocean and South China sea, we have more than enough issues regaining control over our own sphere since Brexit. We are wasting ourselves maintaining a broken peace in these conflict zones.

 

[Huelague]

North Cyprus will be soon recognized by many countries. In this case, we can do what ever we want on our own homeland. Second step, populate of North Cyprus.

 

[Huelague]

Looking at the level of competition in the Eastern Mediterranean at the moment and the South China sea, these appear to be the two major conflict zones moving forward. With the Americans/French/Russians/Italians all getting involved as well. Its going to get spicy.

Turkey is by far the strongest power, then Israel, the Greece. So its going to be interesting.

US will support whoever is balancing Turkish power and trying to protect Israel. France/Italy will support Greece against Turkey and Israel, the Russians will do their thing and support both sides. You also have lesser players like Egypt. Cyprus seems to be the key battle space at the moment and there isn't dominant power to sweep the rest aside. Though Turkey is strong it is engaging and multiple fronts in the South Caucuses, Syria, the Balkans. So this is where Greece has the advantage, it can put its full power into the Aegean and from their onto Cyprus. Turkey is a strong regional power, but not yet strong enough to fight on three fronts at once.

I want the British to totally pull out of the Mediterranean, Indian Ocean and South China sea, we have more than enough issues regaining control over our own sphere since Brexit. We are wasting ourselves maintaining a broken peace in these conflict zones.

Good analysis, expect the point I mentioned above. Since a century, our doctrine is to train and fight on 3 fronts. East front. West front. And within our borders. Their is a reason why our Gendarmerie is the forth Force. They have the size, equipment and training level like a regular army.

 

[Akritas]

You had the chance of reunion in 2004 and you blew it. Today the Greek side of Cyprus is a EU member. They have no incentive of reunion today. Therefore, the sooner we realize there's no hope for a united Cyprus the sooner we can move on and have realistic solutions.

Rauf Denktaş had campaigned for a 'no' vote, but Talat had campaigned for a ‘yes’ vote, strongly supported by Turkey. Greek Cypriots voted NO , because Turkey had not only once again been given the right of unilateral military intervention, but would be allowed to keep a large number of troops in Cyprus after a settlement, whereas the Cyprish National Guard was to be dissolved.

 

[Akritas]

North Cyprus will be soon recognized by many countries. In this case, we can do what ever we want on our own homeland. Second step, populate of North Cyprus.

North Cyprus is under turkish military occupation, as "State" , recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by all other states and UN as part of the Republic of Cyprus.

 

[Huelague]

North Cyprus is under turkish occupations, as "State" , recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by all other states and UN as part of the Republic of Cyprus.

North Cyprus is Turkish! And very soon it will be recognized by many other countries.

 

[Brokengineer]

Looking at the level of competition in the Eastern Mediterranean at the moment and the South China sea, these appear to be the two major conflict zones moving forward. With the Americans/French/Russians/Italians all getting involved as well. Its going to get spicy.

Turkey is by far the strongest power, then Israel, the Greece. So its going to be interesting.

US will support whoever is balancing Turkish power and trying to protect Israel. France/Italy will support Greece against Turkey and Israel, the Russians will do their thing and support both sides. You also have lesser players like Egypt. Cyprus seems to be the key battle space at the moment and there isn't dominant power to sweep the rest aside. Though Turkey is strong it is engaging and multiple fronts in the South Caucuses, Syria, the Balkans. So this is where Greece has the advantage, it can put its full power into the Aegean and from their onto Cyprus. Turkey is a strong regional power, but not yet strong enough to fight on three fronts at once.

I want the British to totally pull out of the Mediterranean, Indian Ocean and South China sea, we have more than enough issues regaining control over our own sphere since Brexit. We are wasting ourselves maintaining a broken peace in these conflict zones.

I think Atlantic's focus is on south chinese sea and northern europe rather than east med to squeeze communist block. Thats why Russians are so agressive to Ukraine that they do not want to be encircled by Nato forces.
Any military attempt to remove Turkish troops from Cyprus would endanger safety of Nato from both Europe and Atlantic ocean since shift of military force would be necessary. I dont even want to mention possible conflict with Israel that could cause possible shut off of Kurecik base that act as early warning radar that protect Israel from possible Iranian ballistic missile. If things get nasty as much as military intervention, Turkey holds critical cards that are essential for Nato and Israel. Those claims can only lead to economic sanctions when it gets quiet problematic.
Greek's approach has made it clear unification is impossible, therefore Turkish Cypriots chose nationalist politicians.
Those soils taken with blood and of course will not be given away through some condemnation but there is only one way. Today, the adversaries are very well aware that Turkey that they have been facing is not the one with 1914-1918's technology.

 

[RogerRanger]

Good analysis, expect the point I mentioned above. Since a century, our doctrine is to train and fight on 3 fronts. East front. West front. And within our borders. Their is a reason why our Gendarmerie is the forth Force. They have the size, equipment and training level like a regular army.

So you think Turkey could go to war with Russia in the South Caucasus, Syria in the South, Greek in the Aegean at the same time? As you know there is a difference between a UDR (Ulster Defence Regiment) and the regular British army. The UDR were like Gendarmerie and could control internal operations, however they couldn't move around and be deployed like regular troops. In the case of the Caucasus you need offensive deploy-able forces, with armour and logistical support, air support. Specific training and operational experience within the office corps and so on.

If I look at Turkey right now, I see a rising regional power, getting used to its new position and trying to understand how to uses its power. Its being pulled in many different directions all at once and is a reactive power, not yet in control of its own sphere. But firmly in control over its own territory and internal politics. You have a strong ruling class, a strengthening culture and are trying to project that into overall geo-strategic security and control.

If I was Turkey there are three area's that are vital, the Northern Corridor basically Iraq and Syria, gaining a stable northern corridor is vital for Turkey, as that instability bleeds into internal Turkish security and politics, with the Kurds. Turkey has started moving into the North Corridor, but it has somewhat been blocked by the Russians and it also doesn't have a grand vision for the region to its south. As moving into that area means coming into conflict with Iran/Israel and Saudi, and as of right now Russia. Turkey needs to become the peace maker in the region. Flip Damascus and Baghdad from Iran and Russia and towards Turkey. For me right now this is the most important area for Turkey.

Then the South Caucasus, which is all about blocking Russian expansion from the North Caucasus. You did a good job defeating Armenia with your ally, but you need to get the Russians out and that conflict just further entrenched the Russian position. You can either counter-balance Russian actions with your own actions in the North Caucasus, but that's a risky position. Or you come to a compromise with the Russians, you know the compromise won't last, but it gives you time to strengthen local actors and strengthen your own position. Like the pipeline from the Caspian sea.

In the third area, the Aegean sea, your are hemmed in by Greece/France/Italy/US, so I would suggest a short navel victory over Greece and then a compromise on the boundaries, mineral resources and other issues with Greece. You want to show your economic and military superiority, with also showing your cultural and geo-political awareness of your own position. You will be a fair great power in the region, not a bully. Only after that can Turkey really turn to Cyprus which is the big fish in the eastern med. A key thing on Cyprus is getting the British bases off the islands, with that you can't blockade it or take it or ally in real positive and negative pressure to the local actors and government.

Once you have integrated Cyprus into Turkey, settled things in the North Corridor, South Caucasus, Aegean. Then you can start becoming more of a aggressive power and throwing your weight around, telling Israel what to do, moving into the Balkans and North Africa. After which the North Caucasus, Carpathian mountains and Black sea all come into play. And only after all this is Turkey geo-political and geo-strategically secured within its initial and wider sphere.

 

[RogerRanger]

I think Atlantic's focus is on south chinese sea and northern europe rather than east med to squeeze communist block. Thats why Russians are so agressive to Ukraine that they do not want to be encircled by Nato forces.
Any military attempt to remove Turkish troops from Cyprus would endanger safety of Nato from both Europe and Atlantic ocean since shift of military force would be necessary. I dont even want to mention possible conflict with Israel that could cause possible shut off of Kurecik base that act as early warning radar that protect Israel from possible Iranian ballistic missile. If things get nasty as much as military intervention, Turkey holds critical cards that are essential for Nato and Israel. Those claims can only lead to economic sanctions when it gets quiet problematic.
Greek's approach has made it clear unification is impossible, therefore Turkish Cypriots chose nationalist politicians.
Those soils taken with blood and of course will not be given away through some condemnation but there is only one way. Today, the adversaries are very well aware that Turkey that they have been facing is not the one with 1914-1918's technology.

The attempts aren't to remove Turkey from Cyprus, but to economically stop Turkey from using Cyprus. So Turkey holds the north, Greece the South. By denying Turkish sovereignty they can deny Turkish rights. That's all it is. Which is why Turkey needs to focus on other area's, Greece/Israel/UK/France/US have no interest or ability to push Turkey off Cyprus. The goal is to deny your legitimacy, capital generation and territorial rights in the eastern med, so they can take those things for themselves or just stop you from getting them.

Basically they are trying to slow your rising down. And if you get bogged down over Cyprus, over Muslims in the Balkans, the black sea/Ukraine that would be a mistake. The Aegean, North Corridor and South Caucasus are where you should be focusing right now.

As an example the British shifted focus from Ireland to WW1, in doing to Britain lost Ireland and lost WW1. Lost its entire geo-political security and control of its initial sphere. Turkey could be making the same mistake or rather that is the mistake other nations would like Turkey to make.

 

[Brokengineer]

The attempts aren't to remove Turkey from Cyprus, but to economically stop Turkey from using Cyprus. So Turkey holds the north, Greece the South. By denying Turkish sovereignty they can deny Turkish rights. That's all it is. Which is why Turkey needs to focus on other area's, Greece/Israel/UK/France/US have no interest or ability to push Turkey off Cyprus. The goal is to deny your legitimacy, capital generation and territorial rights in the eastern med, so they can take those things for themselves or just stop you from getting them.

Basically they are trying to slow your rising down. And if you get bogged down over Cyprus, over Muslims in the Balkans, the black sea/Ukraine that would be a mistake. The Aegean, North Corridor and South Caucasus are where you should be focusing right now.

As an example the British shifted focus from Ireland to WW1, in doing to Britain lost Ireland and lost WW1. Lost its entire geo-political security and control of its initial sphere. Turkey could be making the same mistake or rather that is the mistake other nations would like Turkey to make.

Thats exacly what it seems to be. A slow down process that bypassing Natural gas pipelines from russia to europe and through Turkey by denying Turkey's rights in east med. Therefore, Natural gas could be supplied from Gulf states, Israel and possible discovered natural gas bases in east med through europe and all economic gains stays within that group.
Especially, Greeks are eager to claim natural gas resources in the conflicted zones for its economic problems given their debt to gdp skyrocketed and money provider eu states looking for getting their loans back.
Under this circumstances, it is quiet understandable that eu states will stand by Greece and Northern Cyprus will newer be recognised by none of them.

 

[RogerRanger]

Thats exacly what it seems to be. A slow down process that bypassing Natural gas pipelines from russia to europe and through Turkey by denying Turkey's rights in east med. Therefore, Natural gas could be supplied from Gulf states, Israel and possible discovered natural gas bases in east med through europe and all economic gains stays within that group.
Especially, Greeks are eager to claim natural gas resources in the conflicted zones for its economic problems given their debt to gdp skyrocketed and money provider eu states looking for getting their loans back.
Under this circumstances, it is quiet understandable that eu states will stand by Greece and Northern Cyprus will newer be recognised by none of them.

Britain is actually in a similar position to Turkey, as a regional European power confronting the NATO/EU and the ganging up of Europe to support a weakening power in Ireland to taking British territory in Northern Ireland and denying our people rights. Britain is actually a naval power and Turkey a land power. However we are facing the same issues in terms of Greece and Ireland.

It would certainly put the fox in the hen house of Britain pulled back from Cyprus and gave our bases to Turkey. Haha. There is clearly a Tripartite of European regional powers, against the EU/NATO/US in Europe at the moment. It will take time for the British to break from the American alliance structure, but it will happen. Just like it did with Russia and Turkey. The French are in a good position at the moment because their land borders are secure because of NATO and the EU, so they are trying a naval push into the east med and English channel.

I would support a UK/Russia/Turkey partnership against the EU and US. We could do it as well.