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Well it's a good thing Turkish Foreign Policy is not as short sighted as your betrayal of the Uzbeks:
Also there is no proof of Dostum being a "rapist" anywhere. Taliban Pashtun extremists are warlords as well. Have they raped people? Maybe who knows..
Hazaras are a Turco-Mongol group who were coerced by Iran to fight in Syria and used as cannon fodder in the process:
Iran is coercing persecuted Afghan immigrants into fighting 'as cannon fodder' in Syria
“Iranians see the Hazara as cannon fodder,” a Sheik from Qom, told the LA Times.
www.businessinsider.com
The Iranians are forcing Persianisation on the Hazaras. Don't act like they were some special crack troops that were launching rocket artillery attacks on Turkish troops when we know this was not the case.
Turkey should use it's influence and possible troop presence in northern Afghanistan to bring Hazaras back into the fold of the Turkic world.
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Talibans recent communique in which they threatened Turkish presence in Afghanistan and past treatment of Turkic and Turco-Mongol groups in Afghanistan proves otherwise
Turkey should support a free Turkic Northern Afghanistan which is free from malign Taliban influence and Persian influence weather from neighbouring Iran or Pashtun Extremists.
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What Pakistan went through for last 20 years I think you would have to be a cold son of *** to wish even on your enemies. I still think back to around 2010. US daily attacking targets in Pakistan using drones. TTP launching suicide attacks across all of Pakistan. Our poor soldiers and policemen being killed everyday. Even GHQ was attack. SSG general was killed in ambush. Benezir Bhutto was killed. Then that dog OBL was found hiding in Pakistan. Indians literally masturbated at Pakistan 'failing, failing, failed' or '3,2,1,0'. Pakistan survived that and came out stronger.
Now the Durand has largely been fenced off with good security along it. Pakistan has able leader in Imran Khan and has the full support of the military. Time for Pakistan to close the chapter on that event that began 2001.
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How is that betrayal of Turks? Dostum only goes by dollars in his pocket. The best guarantor of Uzbeks in Afghanistan is Uzbekistan which is right next door.
Oh we feel strong and emboldened today. We have a major regional power on our side. All Pakistan has to do is play its cards right. Negotiate very hard for peace in Afghanistan and convince that with China's help the region and Afghans can reap the benefits. China has worked very hard for this day. Finally OBOR can be extended to CAS. Pakistan has a major role to fulfill.
It is a joy to see our enemies fume with anger at the prospect of regional cooperation and prosperity. We have to remain cautious though because there are enough spoilers.
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Well it's a good thing Turkish Foreign Policy is not as short sighted as your betrayal of the Uzbeks:
Also there is no proof of Dostum being a "rapist" anywhere. Taliban Pashtun extremists are warlords as well. Have they raped people? Maybe who knows..
Hazaras are a Turco-Mongol group who were coerced by Iran to fight in Syria and used as cannon fodder in the process:
Iran is coercing persecuted Afghan immigrants into fighting 'as cannon fodder' in Syria
“Iranians see the Hazara as cannon fodder,” a Sheik from Qom, told the LA Times.
The Iranians are forcing Persianisation on the Hazaras. Don't act like they were some special crack troops that were launching rocket artillery attacks on Turkish troops when we know this was not the case.
Turkey should use it's influence and possible troop presence in northern Afghanistan to bring Hazaras back into the fold of the Turkic world.
Taliban aren't warlords. Your Northern Alliance buddies on the other hand are renowned for bacha bazi.
What About the Boys: A Gendered Analysis of the U.S. Withdrawal and Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan
It is also imperative to acknowledge the multifaceted gendered dynamics impacting Afghan society that lead to support, both openly and tacitly, of the Taliban in certain regions. The predatory and abusive nature of some men in the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF) and the lack of concern on behalf of the U.S. military continues to undermine public support for the U.S.-Afghan partnership in both countries. This is especially at a moment when the Afghan government needs U.S. funding to try and maintain a semblance of stability.
Bacha bazi is a term found in multiple languages and translates roughly into English as “boy play.” While the name takes on different meanings and conjures different understandings throughout history, at its foundation bacha bazi involves pre-pubescent boys dancing for and entertaining a group of men, typically during large gatherings such as weddings. The historical practice of bacha bazi is much more nuanced than its current iteration of sexual abuse of young boys, and it is important to understand the role it plays in today’s Afghanistan, including as a key factor in the rise of the Taliban, who have been public in their opposition to the practice.
The United States has long known about the prevalence of bacha bazi among its partners in the ANSF. It is clear that the U.S. Department of Defense was aware, by 2009 at the latest, of coercive relationships between men and boys on U.S. military bases in Afghanistan. Billions of dollars were spent in order to ensure that the partnership between U.S. forces and ANSF had sufficient capacity to manage and maintain the internal security throughout Afghanistan. In the development of a security sector assistance plan, the U.S. overlooked multiple instances of criminal activity and gross human rights violations, including the sexual abuse of children on military bases.
Over the decades of the American military presence in Afghanistan, the U.S. has continuously turned a blind eye to the ANSF’s and Northern Alliance’s insistence that the current iteration of bacha bazi is Afghan culture, when in reality these groups are co-opting a historical practice in order to traffic and sexually abuse vulnerable Afghan boys. The continued and unquestioned support of the ANSF puts at risk long-term goals for stability and peace in Afghanistan, which the U.S. should continue to emphasize through foreign aid.
What About the Boys: A Gendered Analysis of the U.S. Withdrawal and Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan - New Lines Institute
Understanding how the current practice of bacha bazi is linked with the oppression of women’s rights, human rights violations, and pedophilia will be important for the Biden administration as it navigates its new relationship with Afghanistan.
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It is the Taliban who oppose paedophilia. Northern Alliance clearly enjoys bacha bazi. General Dostum is probably the biggest proponent of bacha bazi in Afghanistan.
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@Dalit do me a favour mate. What will happen will happen. The Turks are our brothers as well. Right now PM Imran Khan is chilling in Afghanistan and looks like his is really been given three star treatment by Uzbeks. We need Uzbeks, Turkmen, Tajiks, Chinese, Turkey and Iran to work together so don't get embroiled with some over zealous members here who don't really have sufficient understanding of the nuances involved here. This is heart of Central Asia and not heart of Europe.
I know many like using words like 'savages' but they ignore that the so called stability and civilization you see in Europe literally only came into existence a few years before I was born and even then they resorted to mass scale barbarity in 1990s and had it took USA to come and get a grip which even now would rip open was it not for massive NATO forces.
Before 1945 it took 50 million dead, 6 million in gas chambers for some form of semblance of peace to arrive. So don't get tripped so easily. Also economics of effort means you should always focus on one enemy and only enemy Pakistan has. And it's not any of these guys but that huge pool of humanity that would drown two Europes and Americas into it. So just keep that in mind. Fact is Pakistan has prevailed.
I would share a toast with you but ......
I know many like using words like 'savages' but they ignore that the so called stability and civilization you see in Europe literally only came into existence a few years before I was born and even then they resorted to mass scale barbarity in 1990s and had it took USA to come and get a grip which even now would rip open was it not for massive NATO forces.
Before 1945 it took 50 million dead, 6 million in gas chambers for some form of semblance of peace to arrive. So don't get tripped so easily. Also economics of effort means you should always focus on one enemy and only enemy Pakistan has. And it's not any of these guys but that huge pool of humanity that would drown two Europes and Americas into it. So just keep that in mind. Fact is Pakistan has prevailed.
I would share a toast with you but ......
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why be angry, I live on the other side of the planet tho
My assessment is based on the hysteria on the Chinese MoFA part, it tells us something when you're not cheering up your enemy departure and the enemy (which is the US) no longer gave a shit.
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It needs to be pointed out that the recent abrupt US announcement of complete withdrawal of forces from Afghanistan has led to a succession of explosive attacks throughout the country, worsening the security situation and threatening peace and stability as well as people’s life and safety. China calls on foreign troops in Afghanistan to take into full account the security of people in the country and the region, pull out in a responsible manner and avoid inflicting more turmoil and suffering on the Afghan people.
and here's the latest one
China urges US not to dump Afghan ‘burden’ on neighbours
Wang Yi says Beijing is ready to mediate and blames US ‘hasty withdrawal’ for surge in violence that has seen Taliban seize much of the country
www.scmp.com
Your assessment I believe comes from toxic nationalism and wishful thinking that is not in line with the reality on the ground. By emphasizing your Pashtun ethnicity which has nothing to do with what the official statements and actions of Chinese, Russian and so called regional actors you've been peddling.
again I don't know how you define all major regional powers on your side when those regional power (ie. Russia and China) is on a competition of influence themselves in Central Asia.
As I've explained to you, China has already engaged in Afghanistan economy and trade long before the US departure, they do that under the security umbrella the US+NATO forces provided. you're making it sounded like they'll just wait for the full exit of US troops in Afghanistan to trade.
China’s Deepening Diplomatic and Economic Engagement in Afghanistan
Introduction On February 29, U.S. and Taliban representatives signed the “Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan” in Doha, Qatar, which laid out a framework for ending the 18-year old conflict in Afghanistan (U.S. State Department, February 29). Despite skepticism in many quarters...
Again this is based on hysteria on Chinese and Russia themselves. Not some wishful thinking.
the last 20 years of war has always been between NATO v Taliban, while everyone watches.
again I HAVE to correct you, they (Taliban) are the one the survived the onslaught of the US+NATO after getting bombed for 20 years non stop, which ironically the bombs are transported through neighboring Pakistan.
This comes from a nation that could not even dictate a favorable solution to the economic projects in their lands. lmao read this.
Gwadar Port generates revenue of Rs 358.151 million in three years - Mettis Global Link
March 21, 2019: Gwadar Port has generated Rs 358.151 million revenue during last three years of which Rs 32.324 million were given to Gwadar Port Authority (GPA) as per its approved share. As per details revenue share, distribution ratio or percentage between port operator (China Overseas Ports...
mettisglobal.news
China to get 91pc Gwadar income, minister tells Senate
Gwadar Port Authority will get 9pc share in the income for the next 40 years.
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and you think you're going to dictate the Taliban which has rejected subordination to you???
AND SO DO I LOLOLOLOL
Again a reminder that US troops, weapons and material entered Afghanistan through Pakistani territory either on land or via airspace.
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