The noose is tightening for Northern Alliance bacha baaz gang.
Live Conflict War in Afghanistan
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The noose is tightening for Northern Alliance bacha baaz gang.
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Factually incorrect. This is examply of facts being bent over time to suit a agenda. Mujihadeen was a generic name for all factions fighting the Soviet Russians as part of the Afghan 1980s jihad. This title covered the entire spectrum of jihadis and as you mentioned included what came be known as Northern Alliance.
Taliban were also rebranded Mujihadeen that mostly were Pashtuns as opposed to NA who were clustered around Tajiks of the Panjshir valley. Most of the senior Taliban cadre centred around Kandahar. Since Pashtuns make the largest % of Afghanistan it is only natural to assume that majority of Mujihadeen were Pashtuns and thus if anybody has right to claim as it's successors it would be Taliban.
I stree again Taliban were just rebranded Pashtun Mujihadeen. Mullah Omar the head of the Taliban had lost a eye in fighting the Russians as a Mujihad in 1980s.
The other thing I would add is it appears that Taliban have become far more refined and wiser to geopolitics then in their earlier iteration. Exactly how they deal with the world is to be seen.
Much of how things play out not only depends on the path the Taliban take but all what Afghanistan's neighbours do. That is in order of importance -
- Pakistan
- Iran
- Central Asia/Russia
- China
Each of these countries also have interest groups within Afghanistan. Iran has considerable infuence on Shia and Farsiwans or even the Hazara Mongols. Central Asia/Russia on the Turkic north. Pakistan on the Pashtuns Taliban. The urban elite in Kabul that US and India fostered are either going to have to get refuge abroad or change colours. Things are about to go bad fast for them.
If Pakistan, Iran, Central Asia/Russia, China can sit together and work on a shared vision we might see some form of stability emerge at end of this. Again this is result of geography. I believe this is what Pakistan, China and Russia in conjunction with Central Asian republics are working on. Iran sadly is a wild card. You never know with those guys as they tend to flip flop.
Turkey could play a role in this scheme as well through Pakistan. India is going to be left out in the cold as it's influence was entirely contingent on America. As they have left Indians are stranded. If they canb get Iran, Central Asia or Russian to piggy back them in they can still play as spoiler like they used to do pre 2001.
But my opinion Iran, Central Asians will not act as Indian's bridges into Afghanistan. It is with this in mind that Tajik President was in Pakistan few weeks ago and today PM Imran Khan has arrived in Uzbekistan on a two day visit. Afghanistan is top on the list of discussions.
Truth be told it should be Afghanistan's neighbours that should sit down and resolve the issue jointly. After all it effects them. I mean if it was Austria in heart of Europe you would not expect Indonesians, Chinese, Brazilians roaming around with armies to sort out issues in heart of Europe.
It is vital and essential to the prosperity of this region that Afghanistan is sorted out. Despite what people think Afghan are a bright, tough as nails, proud people who have just had difficult history. You will find relics from some of histories greatest conquerors from Gengiz Khan's Mongol hordes, to Alexander the Great's armies etc.
The Pakistan policy is now firmly pointed to geo-economics. Afghanistan is a pivot of Eurasia. If stability comes it can become the hub between largest economy on earth - China, to massive oil, gas reserves of Iran/Central Asia with Turkey and Russia on the fringe of this region. All would benefit and particularly Pakistan as it would offer seaport outlet to Central Asia.
It has always annoyed me on my visits to Pakistan when in Peshawar that why I can't just take 200 mile drive to Tajikistan or Uzbekistan which are closer to Peshawar then Istanbul is to Adana. The potential of a trading block is limitless. Instead of wars trains, roads, bridges need to be built. If all the countries neighbouring Afghanistan can work this out and with Chinese economic clout by middle of the century a new geoeconmic reality might have taken place.
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No country is made up of one view. It was Musharaf who sold out our people. Thank god that disgusting person is gone. But I will tell you our present PM Imran Khan opposed the war in Afghanistan. Indeed he was called 'Taliban Khan' for his views. What matters is who is running the coountry now and who has the lever on decision making.
Dostum already escaped to Turkey, Two of his strong men are killed and his birth place (district) is already captured by Taliban's (Former Mujahideen). US and NATO is gone and no one else is willing to support the losers.
thousands of Northern Alliance men already surrendered to Taliban's. They are already dead or dying spamming lies on twitter wont save them.
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There was a time not long ago you guys used to say Talban are stooge of Pakistani ISI and won't even take pee without a nod from Islamabad. Then there was the galactic warping 'Haqqani' network with it's Pentagon HQ inside Pakistan. All I can do is laugh now ....Let ne correct you, the Taliban has been defeating and kicking Kabul admin for a while, there's no WE, who is WE here?
Taliban is alone in this.
Nice try using the word WE.
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appreciated for correcting me on the Mujahideen/Northern alliance statement, but again my point is correct. the Mujahideen refers to the general Anti-Afghan govt militia during the era, and this is not the Taliban specifically, the Taliban (in it's 1994-2021) form were never allied with the west. The west NEVER had any alliance with the Taliban (since it's creation in 1994). So Dalit statement is incorrect and lead to disinformation. and again using this the theory of a Pashtun majority militia as an argument that the west is somewhat allying with the Taliban is incorrect.
Taliban is playing the geopolitical game more classy than the last time, but I might want to remind you that Taliban is actually a decentralized organization. So that means that what the officials in Doha tells for example doesn't necessarily give the picture of the rank and file on the ground thinks in Afghanistan.
Taliban is still is a fundamental Islamist organization, you can't just expect changes from them, just because you wanted to. and no amount of Taliban trying to make statements on how peace loving they are going to convince Islamist phobia China for example, to relax their worry of suddenly having a hardcore Islamist country next door. Not to mention the deep hatred among Islamist about China due to it's treatments of Muslims just next door (Xinjiang).
next let's talk Iran, a Shiite country which is not even welcomed in mainstream non-hardcore Sunni people let alone radical Islamist like the Taliban. If anything even though the Talibs will not massacre the Hazara the way ISIS did, there's a sense that Iran is the defender of Shiites anywhere in the world and it could lead to potential row with the Taliban.
he's dead now , but you got the idea right????
I also read this twitter statements by an Iranian cleric just yesterday warning about the Taliban danger to the Hazara, still searching it now, I'll post when I found it.
if the Syria experiment tells you something, even the closest allies on the surface are bickering below the table. It will be intersting how these countries:
-Pakistan
-Iran
-China
-Russia
will compete in the country for resources and influence, good luck with that.
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I never called them ISI stooge, it's mainly Indian who said so, because you guys have been accusing each other for quite some time now. The other one who kept saying this are usually mis-educated person in the west, the same person who kept accusing USA is behind ISIS.
The one accusing Islamabad of directly controlling the Taliban is also the type of guy who could not differentiate between the Taliban and the Mujahideen labels in general. also usually are islamophobes.
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I don't see ay difference, Musharraf does that for US $$$$ and political support, Imran Khan is turning a blind eye on Uyghurs next doors because Chinese Yuan.
No difference just different actors.
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I think the Taliban will ask for Turkey to send back Afghans to rebuild the country.
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I doubt that. We’d be more than ready to fly them back.
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Sputnik is weak source but if true it is funny plot twist and reveal some bigger geopolicy shifts.
@Nein2.0(Nomad) this guy is one of my favourite twtter posters, always fierce and unapologetic
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Hahahahahaha
www.scmp.com
According to some member, Russia and China and other so called regional actors will happily fill the void.
Reality hits you hard, be careful of what you dream of.
China urges US not to dump Afghan ‘burden’ on neighbours
Wang Yi says Beijing is ready to mediate and blames US ‘hasty withdrawal’ for surge in violence that has seen Taliban seize much of the country
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According to some member, Russia and China and other so called regional actors will happily fill the void.
Reality hits you hard, be careful of what you dream of.
Pakistan to host a special conference on Afghanistan: Fawad
Development comes after PM Imran and ex-Afghan president Hamid Karzai have telephonic conversation, says info minister
The background interactions with the relevant officials highlighted that Pakistan is not hopeful that the US would play a constructive role in bringing about peace and stability in Afghanistan.
Pakistan is now pinning hopes on other regional players including Afghanistan’s immediate neighbours such China, Russia, Iran and Central Asian States for a political settlement.
China, in Pakistan’s view, can potentially replace the role of the US by offering incentives to all the parties concerned in Afghanistan in order to encourage them for a peace deal.
Russia and Iran, both of which now maintain contacts with the Afghan Taliban, can also play a major role in preventing unrest in Afghanistan. Pakistan feels that unlike the US it has convergence with Russia.
Both China and Russia have been critical of the US withdrawal plan and publicly criticized the Biden administration for leaving Afghanistan in a mess. The potential security vacuum in Afghanistan could allow groups such as ISIS to pose direct threats to Russia, China, Pakistan and Iran.
As part of efforts to develop regional consensus, Prime Minister Imran Khan is expected to meet the foreign ministers of Russia, China and Iran on the sidelines of an upcoming regional connectivity summit to be hosted by Uzbekistan
Pakistan to host a special conference on Afghanistan: Fawad | The Express Tribune
The development comes after PM Imran and former Afghan president Hamid Karzai have a telephonic conversation, says Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry
tribune.com.pk
Superb development. As we boot out US and NATO new players step in to prevent Afghanistan from falling into chaos and anarchy. Regional team work at its best.
I already posted an interview of Suhail Shaheen (Taliban spokesperson) with TRT World you can watch it if you want, what ever the dude on the twitter is saying is somewhat identical to Suhail Shaheen words.Sputnik is weak source but if true it is funny plot twist and reveal some bigger geopolicy shifts.
@Nein2.0(Nomad) this guy is one of my favourite twtter posters, always fierce and unapologetic
