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Respect to all humans.
Pakistan believes in sovereignity of all her neighbours.
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Pakistan believes in sovereignity of all her neighbours.
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A charge employed by people who want to prune and cut the terms of referance so that the argumant they are peddling is made conspicious. Or a way of trimming a image to suit their agenda and crippling what the othe side has to say.
Not really. When one can't argue about the issue, they bring completely unrelated issues into reference. E.g. What possibly could LTTE have to do with the Taliban? Or the IRA have to do with the Taliban? Or indeed with this thread.
Perhaps,
one party support "1 terrorist / freedom fighter group",
but criticize others that do the same?
In other word, hypocrite?
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The west never had a issue with Taliban's primitive outlook on such matters as female rights, liberty, freedom of speech or love of heritage and diversity. If that ever figured on their scope the first target would be the mother of all backwardness or Kingdom of Saudia Arabia and it royal family the House of Saud. Every charge you can lay at Taliban one can lay at Riyadh. At least the Taliban have a excuse of living in povery, disconnected in the mountains. But KSA royalty wine and dine with the elites in the west. They are darlings of western leaders and like spoilt kids can get away with murder - literally in the case of Kashoggi or kidnap in the case of the UAE princess. So please let's dispose of this false cry of caring fir female rights because nobody really gives a flying fox about it.
The real issue was trans-national Islam or political Islam. The idea that a Muslim's duty and obligations are not limited by man made borders but extend in equal measure to all his Muslim brothers or sisters across the globe - or Dar al Islam.
The problem with trans-nationalism is it is dangerous to the world order that has emerged over the last few centuries which is premisd on nation states and national sovreignty. Taliban v.01 from 1996-2001 openly followed on the idea of Islamic ummah and trans-nationalism. In this worldview there is Muslim [actually strictly speaking Sunni Muslims] and others.
It was because of this outlook the Taliban v.01gave refuge to any Muslim who sought refuge. Soon Afghanistan became a magnet for all the 'wanted dead or alive' Islamists of all colours and from all continents. Uzbeks, Chechens, Arabs like OBL and Uighurs all got refuge. The result was Islamists running from West, Russia, China, India and even from Africa could depend on Taliban to give them home.
It was this aspect of Taliban or their practice of trans-national Islam that would bring them into the cross hairs of world powers and eventually cause the destruction of their emirate in Kabul leading to the mob now crying for help [Ghani et al] to form a government. America did not invade Afghanistan for human rights, female education or rights of trans-genders although these were conveniently adopted as masks to cover their extended occuptation. They had come there because Taliban gave refuge to AQ and Osama Bin Laden. Let's be clear about that.
Even today the real concern is are Taliban going to revert back to being trans-national Islam or are they going to just cause havoc in their own cave? In the negotiations US has mostly concentrated on Taliban giving promises that they will not support any trans-national groups that present threat to USA or the wider west. This is what this is all about.
Of course being trans-nationalists the Taliban also poked the eyes of Russia and China by giving refuge to Chechen, Uzbeks etc. In addition the Taliban also gave grief to China by providing refuge to Uighurs of ETIM or East Turkestan Islamic Movement.
Have Taliban v.02 now evolved and given up their trans-national Islamic zeal? That is the question pertient to USA, Russia, China etc. Taliban v.02 spokesman and officials have clarified they harbour no illusions of trans-nationalism. Of course this is to be seen because it will impact everybody - east, west and Pakistan.
Beijing hosts Afghan insurgents delegation led by Mullah Baradar
ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan and China have jointly pushed the Afghan Taliban to completely break their ties with terrorist groups, including the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), the outlawed Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and all other outfits that pose a direct threat to both the countries and the region.
tribune.com.pk
The real issue was trans-national Islam or political Islam. The idea that a Muslim's duty and obligations are not limited by man made borders but extend in equal measure to all his Muslim brothers or sisters across the globe - or Dar al Islam.
The problem with trans-nationalism is it is dangerous to the world order that has emerged over the last few centuries which is premisd on nation states and national sovreignty. Taliban v.01 from 1996-2001 openly followed on the idea of Islamic ummah and trans-nationalism. In this worldview there is Muslim [actually strictly speaking Sunni Muslims] and others.
It was because of this outlook the Taliban v.01gave refuge to any Muslim who sought refuge. Soon Afghanistan became a magnet for all the 'wanted dead or alive' Islamists of all colours and from all continents. Uzbeks, Chechens, Arabs like OBL and Uighurs all got refuge. The result was Islamists running from West, Russia, China, India and even from Africa could depend on Taliban to give them home.
It was this aspect of Taliban or their practice of trans-national Islam that would bring them into the cross hairs of world powers and eventually cause the destruction of their emirate in Kabul leading to the mob now crying for help [Ghani et al] to form a government. America did not invade Afghanistan for human rights, female education or rights of trans-genders although these were conveniently adopted as masks to cover their extended occuptation. They had come there because Taliban gave refuge to AQ and Osama Bin Laden. Let's be clear about that.
Even today the real concern is are Taliban going to revert back to being trans-national Islam or are they going to just cause havoc in their own cave? In the negotiations US has mostly concentrated on Taliban giving promises that they will not support any trans-national groups that present threat to USA or the wider west. This is what this is all about.
Of course being trans-nationalists the Taliban also poked the eyes of Russia and China by giving refuge to Chechen, Uzbeks etc. In addition the Taliban also gave grief to China by providing refuge to Uighurs of ETIM or East Turkestan Islamic Movement.
Have Taliban v.02 now evolved and given up their trans-national Islamic zeal? That is the question pertient to USA, Russia, China etc. Taliban v.02 spokesman and officials have clarified they harbour no illusions of trans-nationalism. Of course this is to be seen because it will impact everybody - east, west and Pakistan.
Taliban told to make clean break from ETIM, TTP
Beijing hosts Afghan insurgents delegation led by Mullah Baradar
ISLAMABAD:
Pakistan and China have jointly pushed the Afghan Taliban to completely break their ties with terrorist groups, including the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), the outlawed Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and all other outfits that pose a direct threat to both the countries and the region.
Taliban told to make clean break from ETIM, TTP | The Express Tribune
The message was conveyed to Afghan Taliban in the wake of July 14 terrorist attack targeting Chinese nationals in Dasu, Kohistan
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Well if your going to be the judge on rendering what the referance field is I might as well not discuss anything with you. Because you can carve the discussion in exactly the way you want to. Here have my brush and paint what you want. I will just quitely look on. Happy?
This cheap whataboutism charge is just a muzzling tactic. Funny thing is it is rarely used in UK or I don't hear it often here and must be more Americanism.
Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
& Good day to Other
Afghan forces paraded in public
the dead bodies of Taliban fighters
along with prisoners of war.
& Good day to Other
Afghan forces paraded in public
the dead bodies of Taliban fighters
along with prisoners of war.
The more common British term is whataboutery. It's not a muzzling tactic because people who indulge it double down and defend it, even amplify their argument. It's just calling out a tactic.
As far as it's the same issue, that is fine - it's the same issue looked at from a different perspective. The issue arises when completely unrelated topics are discussed. E.g. The Nazis often used the example of American treatment of African-Americans and Native Americans to justify their racial policies and the Holocaust. Or unapologetic Brits defend British colonialism by stating - "Have you seen what the Belgians did in the Congo?".
In the case of Afghanistan, by all means argue about Afghan history, Taliban, Najibullah, Pakistan, 9/11, Indian presence there, Russia, China etc. as far the topic of Afghanistan. By bringing in something unrelated as Rohingyas - that's whataboutism.
Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim
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Ram Ram to all ..
One thing i realised on this thread is that there is another war going on. Info warfare and a very subtle attempt to project Taliban as messiah of Afghanistan.
fact remains that nobody knows what the ground reality is & these twitter Posts coming from unverified source should be taken with truck load of sea salt. Anyways, it's already proved beyond doubt that SM companies like Twitter / FB / google have adopted a typical commie , lefties mind set in and are centre to build any Narrative world Over.
Taliban - I wonder if anyone even knows how many terrorists are on ground killing Afghan people.
One thing i realised on this thread is that there is another war going on. Info warfare and a very subtle attempt to project Taliban as messiah of Afghanistan.
fact remains that nobody knows what the ground reality is & these twitter Posts coming from unverified source should be taken with truck load of sea salt. Anyways, it's already proved beyond doubt that SM companies like Twitter / FB / google have adopted a typical commie , lefties mind set in and are centre to build any Narrative world Over.
Taliban - I wonder if anyone even knows how many terrorists are on ground killing Afghan people.
After breaking several security cordons in Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand province, the Taliban have reached the heart of Lashkar Gah, and a fierce battle is currently raging within a few hundred meters of the police headquarters and the governor's office. Hashim Alokozai says five lieutenants and fighters have fled Helmand and lost their morale
