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About the Uzbek-Afghan negotiations in the city of Termez​

On October 16, 2021, a working meeting of the delegations of Uzbekistan and Afghanistan took place in Termez.

The delegation of Uzbekistan was headed by Deputy Prime Minister - Minister of Investments and Foreign Trade Sardor Umurzakov, the Afghan side was represented by the Acting Deputy Head of the Provisional Government of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan Abdul Salam Hanafi.

During the meetings, representatives of various ministries and departments discussed issues of trade and economic interaction, border security, cooperation in the energy sector, international cargo transportation and transit. They also exchanged views on the development of ties in education and the humanitarian field.

Particular attention was paid to the implementation of infrastructure projects, in particular the laying of the Surkhan - Puli-Khumri power line and the construction of the Termez - Mazar - Sharif - Kabul - Peshawar railway.

As a result of the meetings, a number of bilateral agreements were reached on the issues discussed.
The Afghan delegation expressed deep gratitude to the Uzbek side for the hospitality and fruitful negotiations.

 

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Turkish companies has been granted construction works by Kabul. This will be good news for Turkey this will contribute to their economy as winning these contracts will put liquidity into their economy which includes hospitals, new airports, road constructions and other instillations..

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Pipeline Agreements with Iran


The agreement mentions that a gas pipeline will be established from Duqarun to Islam Qala border. The Taliban says work on construction of this pipeline will be commenced soon.'

Iran has entered into direct negotiations with the Taliban and has now signed an agreement with them. Iran officials met the Taliban leaders for a number of times in Herat and Kabul.

Mohammad Sadeq – Khurasan Razawi’s mayor in Iran – met with the Herat Governor and discussed trade and transit, transportation, oil and gas, construction, and etc. issues between Iran and the Taliban government. The Taliban Spokesperson confirms that some agreements are made to develop economic relationship and business facilitation with Iran.

One agreement has 16 articles and regulates matters related to border/port regulation, trade and transit matters, establishment of gas pipeline, iron mines of Afghanistan and etc. According to the agreement, Duqarun and Islam Qala borders with Iran should remain active 24/7. Furthermore, the agreement mentions that a gas pipeline will be established from Duqarun to Islam Qala border. The Taliban says work on construction of this pipeline will be commenced soon.

These additional provisions are included in this agreement:

1. Taliban representatives will meet the Oil Ministry of Iran in the nearest future
2. Iran and the Taliban government will commence the construction of roads in Duqarun and Islam Qala port in the coming month
3. to determine tariffs on goods being traded between the countries, there will be joint committees composed of technical officials to study these goods and determine tariff on them.
4. a joint committee will be established to study challenges in Duqarun and Islam port and see solutions for them.
5. Iranian side shall behave well with Afghan drivers and ensure their safety and security.
6. Iran representatives from the Ministry of Urban Development will visit Afghanistan to discuss the establishment of a railway in Afghanistan.
7. Transit of dry fruits from Iran will be facilitated.
8. Iran will cooperate with Afghanistan in health sectors.

 
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Turkish companies has been granted construction works by Kabul. This will be good news for Turkey this will contribute to their economy as winning these contracts will put liquidity into their economy which includes hospitals, new airports, road constructions and other instillations..

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Pipeline Agreements with Iran


The agreement mentions that a gas pipeline will be established from Duqarun to Islam Qala border. The Taliban says work on construction of this pipeline will be commenced soon.'

Iran has entered into direct negotiations with the Taliban and has now signed an agreement with them. Iran officials met the Taliban leaders for a number of times in Herat and Kabul.

Mohammad Sadeq – Khurasan Razawi’s mayor in Iran – met with the Herat Governor and discussed trade and transit, transportation, oil and gas, construction, and etc. issues between Iran and the Taliban government. The Taliban Spokesperson confirms that some agreements are made to develop economic relationship and business facilitation with Iran.

One agreement has 16 articles and regulates matters related to border/port regulation, trade and transit matters, establishment of gas pipeline, iron mines of Afghanistan and etc. According to the agreement, Duqarun and Islam Qala borders with Iran should remain active 24/7. Furthermore, the agreement mentions that a gas pipeline will be established from Duqarun to Islam Qala border. The Taliban says work on construction of this pipeline will be commenced soon.

These additional provisions are included in this agreement:

1. Taliban representatives will meet the Oil Ministry of Iran in the nearest future
2. Iran and the Taliban government will commence the construction of roads in Duqarun and Islam Qala port in the coming month
3. to determine tariffs on goods being traded between the countries, there will be joint committees composed of technical officials to study these goods and determine tariff on them.
4. a joint committee will be established to study challenges in Duqarun and Islam port and see solutions for them.
5. Iranian side shall behave well with Afghan drivers and ensure their safety and security.
6. Iran representatives from the Ministry of Urban Development will visit Afghanistan to discuss the establishment of a railway in Afghanistan.
7. Transit of dry fruits from Iran will be facilitated.
8. Iran will cooperate with Afghanistan in health sectors.


How can the Taliban provide security??

Im curious about that because if one Turkish citizen and worker are killed this is going to lead to Turkish companies withdrawing.

Isis-k is growing they are lilling and bombing left and right while at the same time it seems the Taliban are losing control of some of their fighters who taking matters into their own hands even act like warlords.

Still believe the Taliban have to eliminate Isis k if not these bastards are going to be threat to everybody.

I think Pakistan can deal with Isis-k so Pakistan could intervene militarily in Afghanistan just like how Turkey had to intervene against the pkk in Syria and Iraq.
 

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If Pakistan has to intervene in Afghanistan for security reasons they should and the Taliban should accept help in dealing with isis k.
 

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If Pakistan has to intervene in Afghanistan for security reasons they should and the Taliban should accept help in dealing with isis k.
A Pakistan intervening military will

1. Defeat the purpose of having the Taliban in power in the first place.

2. stretch Pakistan resources thin with no end in sight, remember Pakistan also has a running militants problem with the TTP and BLA running amok and appears to be unable to take situation under control.

3. Isis-k operation is increasingly urban by nature, the recent quetta blast shows how incapable the Pakistani military to prevent such attacks. It would need the utmost in constant ISR.

4. Which leads us to the only alternative, NATO
 

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Been 10 pages since I was in this thread last(I'm sure theres been plenty of civil debate and exchange of understanding and views changed in in interim heh)....this popped up in my feed recently:


I already know what some types will respond like they do....without actual understanding of the issues again....(nuff said)

@AlphaMike later I will tag you (elsewhere) for another convo related to this that I saw you trying to breach here.... (futile but hey...points for trying lol).
 

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Taliban rely on former technocrats as Afghan economy on the brink​

BY ASSOCIATED PRESS​

KABUL ECONOMY
OCT 19, 2021 11:25 AM GMT+3
Vendors (C) wait for customers at their shop in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Oct. 9, 2021. (AFP Photo)
Vendors (C) wait for customers at their shop in Kandahar, Afghanistan, Oct. 9, 2021. (AFP Photo)



Afghanistan’s economy was already approaching the brink of collapse when the Taliban swept into power amid harrowing predictions of growing poverty and hunger.

To solve the problem, they ordered the financial managers of the collapsed former government back to work.

In the 20 years since the Taliban last ruled, Afghanistan evolved from an economy dealing mostly in illicit enterprise to a sophisticated, multibillion-dollar system fueled by donor aid and international trade. The Taliban, a movement borne out of the rural clergy, struggled to grasp the extent of the transformation.

Four employees from financial institutions told The Associated Press (AP) how the Taliban commanded bureaucrats from the previous government’s Finance Ministry, central bank and other state-owned banks to return to work. Their accounts were confirmed by three Taliban officials.

“They told us, ‘We are not experts, you know what is better for the country, how we can survive under these challenges,'" recalled one state bank official, who like others spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on record.

They told him, “Do what you must,” but warned, “God is watching you, and you will be accountable for what you do on Judgment Day.'"

Quietly, these technocrats are advising the Taliban leadership in the running of the crippled financial sector. They tell them what to do and how to do it. But, as seasoned experts, they see no way out of Afghanistan’s economic quagmire: With billions in international funds frozen, the best they can muster in domestic revenues is $500 million to $700 million, not enough to pay public salaries or provide basic goods and services.

The Taliban are buttressing relations with local businesspeople to keep them operating, while the leadership makes its case for international recognition in meetings with foreign officials.

The Taliban’s seizure of power in mid-August resulted in an abrupt halt to most donor funds. These disbursements accounted for 45% of GDP and financed 75% of state expenditures, including public sector salaries. In 2019, total government expenditures were nearly $11 billion.

With the ongoing drought as well, the United Nations predicts 95% of the population will go hungry and as much as 97% of the country risks sinking below the poverty line.

The United States froze billions in dollar reserves in line with international sanctions against the Taliban, eroding the liquidity of both the central bank and commercial banks and constraining their ability to make international transactions.

This has undermined international trade, a mainstay of the Afghan economy.

Intermediary banks abroad are reluctant to engage in transactions given sanctions risks. Informal trade, however, continues. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) predicts the economy will contract sharply.

In the Finance Ministry and central bank, near daily meetings revolve around procuring basic staples like flour to ward off hunger, centralizing customs collections and finding revenue sources amid critical shortages in household goods. In Afghanistan, all fuel oil, 80% of electricity and up to 40% of wheat is imported.

The technocrats’ frustrations are many.

Never mind dollars, there isn't enough of the local currency, the afghani, in circulation, they said. They blame this on the previous government for not printing enough prior to Kabul's fall in August.

Hallways once bustling with employees are quiet. Some ministry workers only show up once or twice a week; no one has been paid a salary. A department responsible for donor relations once had 250 members and dealt with up to 40 countries; now it has 50 employees at best, and one interlocutor: the United Nations.

There are no women.

Many are growing exasperated with the Taliban leadership.

“They don’t understand the magnitude,” said one ministry official. “We had an economy of $9 billion in circulation, now we have less than $1 billion.”

But he was quick to excuse them. “Why would I expect them to understand international monetary policy? They are guerrilla fighters at heart.”

The returning government workers said the Taliban appear genuine in wanting to root out corruption and offer transparency.

They aren’t told everything. A closely guarded secret of the Taliban is how much cash remains in state coffers. Ministry and bank officials estimate this could be just $160 million to $350 million.

“They are very sincere about the country, they want to boost morale and create friendly relations with neighboring countries,” said another banking official. “But they don’t have expertise in banking or financial issues. That is why they requested we return, and that we do our work honestly.”

Mawlawi Abdul Jabbar, a Taliban government adviser, said the returning experts are “with the government. And they are working on the financial issues to solve these problems.”

The Taliban are strengthening relations with businesspeople who trade in basic goods with neighboring countries.

An active proponent of forging business relations is Taliban adviser Abdul-Hameed Hamasi. He was recently greeted with a warm embrace at the wedding of the son of prominent businessperson Baz Mohammed Ghairat.

Ghairat’s factories process everything from cooking oil to wheat. Hamasi said the Taliban were providing him with security, including permission to drive in bulletproof vehicles, so his dealings could continue.

But central bank limits on withdrawals are Ghairat’s chief concern. Without access to deposits, he cannot pay traders, he said.

The economic woes preceded the Taliban’s rise. Corruption and mismanagement were rampant in the former government.

In the first months of 2021, economic growth slowed and inflation accelerated. Drought undermined agricultural production as fuel and food costs spiked.
The Taliban’s capture of border posts and transit hubs ahead of Kabul's fall exacerbated matters.

Government officials, schoolteachers and civil servants hadn’t received salaries for two to three months before the government collapsed. Many sold household goods or accumulated debts with neighbors and relatives to make ends meet.

Sayed Miraza, an Agriculture Ministry employee, arrived at the bank at 4 a.m. one Saturday morning. People had already lined up to access their weekly withdrawal limit of 20,000 afghanis, or $200.

Miraza’s account is empty. He came to pick up a Western Union transfer from a nephew in the U.S. “We ran out of food, so we had to ask for help,” he said. By 9 a.m. he was still waiting.

In a Kabul flea market, Hematullah Midanwal sells the items of people who have run out of funds.

“They come sometimes with their entire living rooms, everything down to spoons,” he said.

Many hope to leave Afghanistan. Given the chance, the technocrats running the country’s finances would also leave, every single one interviewed by the AP said.

One central bank official said he was waiting on his asylum papers to go to a Western country. “If it comes, I will definitely leave. I would never work with the Taliban again.”

 

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The reports are under the carpet! Historical Afghanistan confessions from NATO​

Manza, the Deputy Secretary General for Operations at NATO, said, "The situation reports from the troops in Afghanistan were kept at NATO Headquarters for months or were diluted. When we tried to form a nation with 140,000 soldiers, we were not successful," he said.​

19 October 2021 10:17Updated: 19 October 2021 10:31

The reports are under the carpet!  Historical Afghanistan confessions from NATO

It was learned that during the General Assembly meeting of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly (NATO PA) held in Lisbon, the capital of Portugal last week, a presentation on Afghanistan was made to a group including Turkish parliamentarians.

John Manza, Deputy Secretary General for Operations, who is the second most authoritative name after Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in NATO, told the behind the scenes of the process in Afghanistan in his presentation to the parliamentarians of NATO countries.

According to the news of Yücel Kayaoğlu from the Turkish newspaper, Fikri Işık and Taner Yıldız from AKP, Kamil Aydın from MHP, Utku Çakırözer from CHP, as well as parliamentarians of nearly 30 NATO member countries attended the meeting. Manza noted that similar reports will be presented to NATO Defense Ministers and Foreign Ministers in the coming days.

According to the information obtained, some important parts of the presentation on the lessons learned from the failure of the NATO mission, which lasted 20 years in Afghanistan, where the Taliban took control, are as follows:

'WE DIDN'T SUCCESS WHEN GOING TO BUILD A NATION'​

“Going to war to establish democracy in another country was a pretty high goal. But Afghanistan has never been discussed like this in NATO. No member, including the United States, saw Afghanistan as a vital national interest. When he did not see it that way, it was seen that it was not possible to continue the struggle with the Taliban attempt. Our mission, which was focused only on the goal of combating terrorism, has grown a lot over time. At first there was a force of several thousand men stationed in and around Kabul. This increased to 60 thousand between 2006-2009. After 2009, it found 140 thousand. We could not calculate that when the framework of the mission was expanded like this, it would be even more difficult to leave the country. When we tried to form a nation with 140,000 soldiers instead of a mission limited to the fight against terrorism, we were not successful.

REPORTS ARE UNDER THE CUSHION​

Reporting from the front to NATO headquarters is problematic. Mission reports come from the field every six months. First he goes to the military committee in Brussels. It takes weeks or even months to get out of there. The report is diluted. Then he comes to the operations committee. It waits there too, diluted.

'DIVISIONS REGARDING MILITARY CANADA MUST BE OPENED'​

Until that report reaches the NATO Council, a new report is prepared. There is a need for more direct, timely and contextual reporting. There is also a problem in the content of the discussions held in NATO. Everyone is very polite when it comes to NATO headquarters. Discussions on the military wing in the NATO Council must be cleared.

Diplomats only read statements sent from the capital. We thought we could raise good country managers from smart young people by pouring a lot of money, and we encouraged brain drain. We put women in danger by making them police. Our impact on the development of the country was much lower than we expected.

'CIVIL WAR CAN GO'​

Manza, the second most authoritative person in NATO, drew attention to the fact that terrorist organizations are still active in Afghanistan and said: DAESH-K has just attacked a mosque. The country could easily be dragged into civil war. International cooperation is needed so that it does not become a safe zone for terrorist organizations again. We have two options before us. Either NATO will support other international efforts. Or a global coalition will be formed and countries will take part in it.

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In short it seems the field reports were collecting dust in NATO HQ before being passed on in watered down format.

The article mentions that because the west didn't see the implementation of democracy as a do or die their halfhearted attempt to bring lasting democracy to Afghanistan has failed.

The mission grew beyond just "terror hunting" which wasn't planned. In short bad planning and execution.
 

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The guy who mastermind this event is Sirajuddin Haqqani, from the Haqqani networks. Known for their expertise in urban guerilla.

ironically the new generation of Isis-K operatives after defeats in Kunar are mostly ex-Haqqani network militia. Hence the Taliban are now facing their own medicine where ex-Haqqani turn Isis-K members are blowing up the Taliban daily.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you pro secularism ?

I know that Pakistan was founded as a Islamic country, but your laws aren't based on sharia (right ?), though I recall @Saiyan0321 mentioning how even his law professors were sometimes interpreting things according to Sharia and not the actual Law.

How is IEA Sharia laws going to mesh with Pakistan's laws. Though I understand you imagine that each country will be governed by their own laws. You still have quite a handful of Pashtuns who may prefer IEA laws, thus creating a rift of sorts. (Does my question make sense ?).

I think Pakistan needs to make it clear with regard to borders and there being two countries, and enforce strict control.
Your suggestion is totally wrong.
 

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