Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[RadenSudirman]

Singapore already stretching their funding level, more defense budget means less pension and welfare budget, means less stability for their society. Indonesia otherwise only spent very little, less than 0,8 from total GDP, and less than 1/19 from total expenditure of central government budget. There is lot of room for play for Indonesia.

For comparison, in Napoleon's time, 70% of the government budget went to the military.

Even though we have a legacy of 'military dictatorship', Indonesia was never really a militarized country (a clear example is North Korea in modern times). Indonesia is more of a 'bureaucratic state' than 'militaristic state' because ABRI officers back then and even now, serve in the capacity of bureaucratic officials rather than as warfighters. That is why we see more generals in the ministries and enterprises, rather than on the battlefield.

 

[Madokafc]

Part two

 

[Lordimperator]

Perbandingan SAM, karena sudah beli M-LRSAM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1484647280196128771

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Umigami]

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Itu AP sumringah banget dengernya...

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Soman45]

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Di luar dugaan dari kemarin di Twitter,FB pokonya formil mereka kenapa banyak banget yang kebakaran jenggot? padahal tak kira, negara tetanggaan ini udah chill karena menghadap satu lawan yang sama di utara? kok malah belok fokusnya?

 

[Madokafc]

Komen 1 :
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Di luar dugaan dari kemarin di Twitter,FB pokonya formil mereka kenapa banyak banget yang kebakaran jenggot? padahal tak kira, negara tetanggaan ini udah chill karena menghadap satu lawan yang sama di utara? kok malah belok fokusnya?

 

[Lordimperator]

Di luar dugaan dari kemarin di Twitter,FB pokonya formil

Would you kind to send the coordinates?

 

[Cromwell]

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Di luar dugaan dari kemarin di Twitter,FB pokonya formil mereka kenapa banyak banget yang kebakaran jenggot? padahal tak kira, negara tetanggaan ini udah chill karena menghadap satu lawan yang sama di utara? kok malah belok fokusnya?

A Lion doesn't concern itself with an opinion of a sheep, let them be, their opinions aren't opinion of their respective Prime Ministers or Defence Ministers.

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Soman45]

Would you kind to send the coordinates?

malaysiandefence, twitter yah itu dah ada diatas contohnya, FB page yang nggak pake VPN(yang pake VPN lagi bahas yang lain)

A Lion doesn't concern itself with an opinion of a sheep, let them be, their opinions aren't opinion of their respective Prime Ministers or Defence Ministers.

Nggak peduli kalo pendapat mereka mah, maksudnya itu kok yoo tiba" pada muncul gitu lhoo, masih ada sisa trauma masa lalu opo gimana padahal waktu berita borongan Rafale dan DSCA Eagle II keluar sampe FREMM-pun mereka nggak kena panic attack kaya gini

 

[Madokafc]

malaysiandefence, twitter yah itu dah ada diatas contohnya, FB page yang nggak pake VPN(yang pake VPN lagi bahas yang lain)

Nggak peduli kalo pendapat mereka mah, maksudnya itu kok yoo tiba" pada muncul gitu lhoo, masih ada sisa trauma masa lalu opo gimana padahal waktu berita borongan Rafale dan DSCA Eagle II keluar sampe FREMM-pun mereka nggak kena panic attack kaya gini

Ada beberapa fase ketika orang menerima kabar buruk, pertama Denial, kedua mencari pembenaran informasi dsb, ketiga emosional dan panik, keempat nerimo apa adanya

 

[Lordimperator]

padahal waktu berita borongan Rafale dan DSCA Eagle II keluar sampe FREMM-pun mereka nggak kena panic attack kaya gini

Waktu itu mereka masih tidak percaya, cuman kajian kayak mereka lakukan, kalau sekarang ya panik, mulai kelihatan kontrak jadi kenyataan.

Kalau kayak Mado bilang, mereka fase iii sekarang, dulu berita borongan fase i-ii,

 

[Cromwell]

malaysiandefence, twitter yah itu dah ada diatas contohnya, FB page yang nggak pake VPN(yang pake VPN lagi bahas yang lain)

Nggak peduli kalo pendapat mereka mah, maksudnya itu kok yoo tiba" pada muncul gitu lhoo, masih ada sisa trauma masa lalu opo gimana padahal waktu berita borongan Rafale dan DSCA Eagle II keluar sampe FREMM-pun mereka nggak kena panic attack kaya gini

As i said let them be, they're facing disastrous developments domestically, unmaterialised plan on getting older F-18 series, no further developments on plan getting LCA, nothing new from SPH procurement, and the top of that, the scandalous Boustead Naval Shipyard, Gowind / Maharajalela Class was ordered in 2011 but until after more than 10 years not one launched yet despite the fund already almost 70% injected to the Shipyard thus when they see our developments, it is expected reactionary feedback as for Singapore, they've always been cautious about their neighbours developments however as i said each respective Governments don't contradict us, even Singaporean Defence Minister as i recalled was present during opening ceremony of Indodefence 2022.

 

[NEKO]

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Di luar dugaan dari kemarin di Twitter,FB pokonya formil mereka kenapa banyak banget yang kebakaran jenggot? padahal tak kira, negara tetanggaan ini udah chill karena menghadap satu lawan yang sama di utara? kok malah belok fokusnya?

From: LOL LMAO Indonesia, we are still the best and superior compared to them.
To: OH no... Indonesia is getting stronger, what do?

Singaporean Defence Minister as i recalled was present during opening ceremony of Indodefence 2022.

Singapore is smart they know what is better for them, even there is a very low chance of conflict between ID-SG from what I see they still try to align their national interest with ours.

IIRC some problems between ID-SG also show some positive development, negotiations of the maritime borders is almost finished, the previous agreement that will allow SG to use our sea for military exercise already expired and caused some ripples previously but the new agreement have been reached, FIR issue also almost sorted out.

 

[Madokafc]

Though i don't think buy and buy from aboard would be solution for long term. At least Indonesia should also license production turbofan engine, diesel engine for marine use, gas turbin engine for marine use, and other stuff

There is also license production for barrel gun (including 105 mm tank gun, 105 mm artillery gun, 155 mm artillery gun and so on)

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1588353009029111808

 

[trishna_amrta]

At least you can move it to nearest point to KL from Sumatra and cover it in Manuveur training when they try to claim Cilok as their National Dish.

Bad news is Singkek will spent more for guns. Good news is Middle east Sultans are still eager to lend their money and Turkey still eager to develop more guns in hefty price for whoever that want slap their logo on Turkish products.

Deploy it near Pekanbaru so we can hit both KL and Singapore at the same time

Memang nya kita ada potensi konflik apa dengan itu Kalau kita pingin "mati in" cukup kita bangun infrastruktur khususnya pelabuhan di pesisir Selat Malaka dan benahi budaya / etos kerja kita udah mampus dengan sendiri nya . Kalau pingin mati in , kita bangun daerah Kalimantan dan jangan lupa pengaman nya (Kamtibmas) bisa pindah kegiatan perekonomian nya mereka ke kita yg pada akhirnya mereka mati sendiri

They will try to whopping up their defence to more than 3% from gdp lol

Mereka saat ini sudah mepet duit nya. Mau lebih tinggi lagi sudah ga masuk akal, dan mereka (policy maker nya) sebenarnya sudah cukup paham hal tsb.

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Di luar dugaan dari kemarin di Twitter,FB pokonya formil mereka kenapa banyak banget yang kebakaran jenggot? padahal tak kira, negara tetanggaan ini udah chill karena menghadap satu lawan yang sama di utara? kok malah belok fokusnya?

Kalau sich patokan saya yg di lapak nya Max Def, dan mereka cukup positif dengan kita kok. Kalau khan mereka masih ngerasa ras / etnis unggulan di kawasan.

Ada beberapa fase ketika orang menerima kabar buruk, pertama Denial, kedua mencari pembenaran informasi dsb, ketiga emosional dan panik, keempat nerimo apa adanya

Nach ini bener banget

 

[trishna_amrta]

Though i don't think buy and buy from aboard would be solution for long term. At least Indonesia should also license production turbofan engine, diesel engine for marine use, gas turbin engine for marine use, and other stuff

There is also license production for barrel gun (including 105 mm tank gun, 105 mm artillery gun, 155 mm artillery gun and so on)

Terlalu muluk2x kalau kita sudah bicara industri lokal + turbine blade. Mendingan belajar produksi pelor dasar (5.56mm, 7.62mm, 9mm dsb) dan gun barrel untuk senjata perorangan dulu aja. Bikin pelor dan barrel aja belum mampu industri kita apalagi turbine blade. Itu belum kalau kita bicara produksi barang yg lebih butuh presisi seperti ballpoint tip (alat tulis) bahkan negara seperti saja baru bisa beberapa tahun terkahir ini.