Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Madokafc]

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Actually in lot of cases China is put before Pakistan even in the ranking.

I remember lot of episodes I can quote and name with examples....but the one that stuck in my head the most is the bridal scam thread regarding Chinese workers entrapping + trafficking local Pakistani girls and women back to China.

When Pakistani members started to criticize China/Chinese.....they literally had that complete mental case Feng "nuke everyone" Leng posting repeatedly that Pakistan would be nothing without China...that China should reverse alliance and even ally India to defeat and dissolve Pakistan....and way worse things I wont repeat here....all because they start to get just 1% heat more than they got used to with the lordship treatment.

This was all done in full view of the mods/admins there (I even remember mods replying just few posts below like nothing out of ordinary happened)... and its just one example. I actually felt sorry for some of my most bitter Pak enemies on PDF in that thread....they were censured (except a few bigger names that were "allowed" to punch back) to make way for extreme sugar-daddy protection. I knew then and there exactly what is going to happen down road, that it has gotten to this level back then.

Like seriously all one need ask is what is the point of keeping such guy like that Feng Leng around? He is clearly mentally disturbed and only saps every bit of logical and rational energy (that ought to make bedrock of any forum) everywhere he is.

The problem really started after they got emboldened when Turks were told to stay away from certain topics outside of their section and all the earlier Chinese "mods" also left and none to replace (and thus trolls ended up filling that role....with alt-accounting and all kind of other games they do)

It has just gotten worse, the wumao horde just entrenches and establishes more and more....behaviours of theirs metastasize and cannot even be questioned...forget challenging. I got several bans for merely posting uighur news and then pictures of Tibetan monasteries in India....and that too from so called "more reasonable" mods....one of which later play his full real hand on the Turk exodus.

Lot of these things I feel I was canary in coalmine for....yet I still kept belief in the greater idea of a forum and maybe how it once was....I helped reason to webby there to keep a valuable member in Indonesian subforum for example (when webby was quick to permaban him over literally nothing)...this is one of reasons Indonesians there know me and wonder what happened later.

So it just matter of time that it expands like a flood to all else after Turkish "dam" was broached and then later totally broken on it (through no fault of Turks). We all know that story there. With unceasing floods its just matter of time to erode and sweep away things....only so much residents can bear of it....and they must seek higher better ground in the end for their own sake.


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But tbh, this is all the forum admin's fault....there is a psyche that most if not all outsiders (to South Asia) just will not really understand about Pakistani elitists (forum admins + mods are just small subset representation/manifestation of it).

I will bore too many people exploring it here again....but it is not without reason after fall from grace and ejection from Eden, the first story is about two brothers.

The Abel and Cain complex is very poignant one to our human condition always. Because I do deep down consider them brothers, but extremely and likely irreversibly estranged now....we know how sour family dynamics can do to one's mind and reinforced neo-identity.

To estrange from an acquaintance and friend is not the same to estrange from a parent or sibling. It needs far far more emotional investiture into things not very healthy if you ask me. Being the smaller of the two, one has far higher intensity of this compared to the other imo.

I feel it is a deep lie (about religion being single reason for country to form) that broke millenia of trial and tribulation of this older brotherhood whatever the issues and strife was.

That so few in just few short years caused the partition and whatever it takes to shield "the reason" and make it some eternal truth....while ignoring how their earlier people lived side by side and functioned side by side...and gaslighting as required for that and double down on it more even after you betray and lose half your countrymen in most brutal of war because they had enough of all of that.

Some people compare Israel as the one other country founded exclusively on religion....but it is really different situation to me given the role of migration from Europe in Israel case....compared to genuine son-of-soil brotherhood found in my Hindustan so long.... that had to shatter so suddenly and rudely and be accepted as some new reality and even inevitable.

This has lingering consequence, and outsiders simply get caught up in it in their specific, general and unique ways....but you won't get the complete picture unless you know each and every larger story regarding this in sufficient close detail growing up.

In short, Pakistan, Defence and Forum......each 3 of these words capture only small (and shrinking) part of the reality there. It is a compromised psychological fantasy escapade....those that are of certain profile enjoy it, mud and all....but all others smell the growing rank stink...and cannot tolerate anymore. It is just matter of time and interest.

You know the most beautiful thing my ex President, Abdurrahman Wahid had said before,

To honor man means to honor his creator. To humiliate man means to humiliate and insult his creator


it is his principle when he is engage many elements in Indonesia society at the time to solve the conflict and preserve Indonesia unity at all cost, including to lift the ban for Indonesian Chinese to preserve their culture and freedom to use their own name and speaking in their language. If not for his identity as one of our Greatest Islamic theology scholar, leader of the largest Islam organization in Indonesia (and maybe in the world with more than fourty million membership at the time of his presidency) and his very own father and grandfather is the respected Islamic scholar in Indonesia, he maybe will be accused as Communist symphatizer or Chinese puppet. Deep down i feel Indonesia strength will lay on our diversity, an aspect worthy to be defend at and preserve with whatever price you name it.


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abel and Cain story's more to depict on how Abrahamic teaching since long taught us even brother from the same mother and father is can gradually become a set of different people and separate mindset let alone the broader human society which comprised of many individual. Conflict is inevitable, what we actually need to do is to mitigated the risk into the most minimum level.

 

[Nilgiri]

What do Indonesian members here think? Both on the issue and will this bill pass?

 

[Madokafc]

What do Indonesian members here think? Both on the issue and will this bill pass?

Remind me of great prohibition era in United States, Indonesian people and US had some similarities on their overall perceived moral value on their society especially US conservatism and Indonesia ones. Other side influenced by Christian value and other is Islamic. Well, this much easy to understand as US is founded by puritan who fled from some secular regime in Europe and among other. Looking at US Cases, and some cases in Indonesia itself about ilegal gambling activity so far. This prohibition only led toward the rising cases of ilegal bootleging activity and racketry, thus giving rise of criminal underworld kingdom/mafia families in some areas. I am naturally against this kind of move.

 

[whatintarnation]

It should be banned, like how it's banned here in KSA.

Non-alcoholic malt beverages however are sold here, so if people back in Indonesia still have that itch for a glass of beer then the companies back home should start selling non-alcoholic versions of their drinks.

Also since the number of people who currently consume alcoholic drinks is low, the bill should be more effective than the Prohibition Law that was attempted back in the US.

 

[Mejikuhibiu]

What do Indonesian members here think? Both on the issue and will this bill pass?

I think its must be banned, but not in whole Indonesia, because many in east Indonesia have a traditional alcohol drink

 

[Ravager]

Well , i'm still lurking in the Pdf ....still got unfinished bussiness with either phony chicom bot or i did kick him deep enough to the gutter in the papuan thread . I guess i could put myslef as a pseudo represantatives for a time being

 

[Umigami]

It should be banned, like how it's banned here in KSA.

Non-alcoholic malt beverages however are sold here, so if people back in Indonesia still have that itch for a glass of beer then the companies back home should start selling non-alcoholic versions of their drinks.

Also since the number of people who currently consume alcoholic drinks is low, the bill should be more effective than the Prohibition Law that was attempted back in the US.

Actually alcohol beverages is run SO DEEP in our culture. Indonesia is multi cultural country, not all of us implemented strict law.

There's just no way this ridiculous bill can be implemented on Indonesia western area.

 

[schuimpjes]

What do Indonesian members here think? Both on the issue and will this bill pass?

The bill was put to the DPR (Parliament) by the PKS (Islamic Party) and other Islamic oriented caucuses of other parties, which I will reject if I'm one of the guy that sit down in the parliament. I don't wanna see Indonesia is filled with religious laws applied in our country. I rather put a bills that will make Indonesian to have a evidence based way of thinking and make people think twice about things that doesn't have any evidence (only because of "believe"), maybe through education or mass PR campaign.

 

[Madokafc]

When the police itself is at full hand against a more dangerous menace like Drugs, this bill will put them into working like slave to hunt down the violator of new bill and put them into clash against many society who had deep relationship with alcohol culture. I don't see where this coming but it is not good to put more burden to the already stretched works of our Police

 

[joedhie2k]

The alcohol bill is like a bargaining chip from the islamist pact. Like a “i will push this if you want [random bill] passed” kind of thing.

 

[joedhie2k]

Andif you reject this one then you are not islam enough. A kafir antek aseng asing cina wahyudi remason balpirik kaepci watever

 

[Madokafc]

The alcohol bill is like a bargaining chip from the islamist pact. Like a “i will push this if you want [random bill] passed” kind of thing.

Which one they trying to negotiate? Omnibus Law?

For good sake, i don't see any problem with Prohibition Law mk2, what i am more concerned at is their after effect

But Omnibus Law, is different beast altogether

 

[joedhie2k]

I’m thinking RUU PKS. But maybe there is something else. I dont memorize all prolegnas content hehehehe

 

[schuimpjes]

Andif you reject this one then you are not islam enough. A kafir antek aseng asing cina wahyudi remason balpirik kaepci watever

Yaa.. Sad to see world right now. conspiracy theories are on the rise right now, even in US which there you can see many Trump's Supporters follow QAnon conspiracy theories. And many Islamists are influenced by the leftover Soviet active measures "Operation SIG" are adding more problems in this world.

 

[Umigami]

Which one they trying to negotiate? Omnibus Law?

For good sake, i don't see any problem with Prohibition Law mk2, what i am more concerned at is their after effect

But Omnibus Law, is different beast altogether

PKS (& Demokrat) menolak omnibus law. Dan berhubung OL juga udah disahkan, mereka ga ada daya tawar lah...

Btw, bukannya di warkop ga usah ngomongin politik ya?

 

[schuimpjes]

Btw, bukannya di warkop ga usah ngomongin politik ya?

Warkop tempat curhat bapak2 sterotipnya. Ngomong apapun gak papa lah, terserah mau ikut nimbrung yang ngomongin tentang apa.

Edit : gak bapak2 juga sih. Aduh salah bedain warkop sama hik wkwk

 

[Umigami]

Warkop tempat curhat bapak2 sterotipnya. Ngomong apapun gak papa lah, terserah mau ikut nimbrung yang ngomongin tentang apa.

Edit : gak bapak2 juga sih. Aduh salah bedain warkop sama hik wkwk

Minta minol di Warkop bisa aja lho...

 

[schuimpjes]

Minta minol di Warkop bisa aja lho...

Kalo di Solo ada kampung yang buat ciu, nama kampungnya Bekonang. Itu sebenernya masuk Sukoharjo sih bukan Solo, tapi orang sini nganggep kabupaten2 sekitaran Solo termasuk Solo.

 

[whatintarnation]

Actually alcohol beverages is run SO DEEP in our culture. Indonesia is multi cultural country, not all of us implemented strict law.

There's just no way this ridiculous bill can be implemented on Indonesia western area.

I'm aware of the many alcoholic traditional drinks of the many ethnicities that we have. However, that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is this little fact

"According to culinary expert William Wongso, the culture of drinking distilled alcohol was never strong in Indonesia, with only a few regions having developed it"

The traditional alcoholic drinks should stay, in my opinion, due to the fact that these are the traditions of a few ethnic groups like the Batak, and consumption limited to these few ethnic groups will do little to no harm to Indonesian society in general.

What should be banned however are commercial alcoholic drinks. Not only is alcohol an intoxicant and has a negative impact on society, but it can also be used by the elite to control the masses by making them dependent and addicted. (watch the video to understand what I mean)

We don't want an Indonesian version of the above, do we? So, in my humble opinion, commercial alcoholic drinks should be banned from the Indonesian market.

 

[NEKO]

I went offline for a few days and when I am back to pdf.

What happened guys? Where are you? Thanks to initial_d I was able to come here.

Dafuq happened? And also hello y'all